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Old May 17th 11, 01:38 PM posted to uk.sci.astronomy,sci.astro.amateur
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Default Thiele's 1880 paper (was Crop Circles from BBC helicopter footage)

On May 17, 11:34*am, Martin Brown
wrote:

"Om Anvendelse af mindste Kwadraters Methode i nogle Tilfaelde, hvor en
Kmoplikation af visse Slags uensartede tilfaeldige Fejlkilder giver
Fejlene en 'systematisk' Karacter."


This is pre-1948 "Olde" Danish. Easily recognisable by the sprinkling
of capitals. Not really any more difficult than Ny Dansk.

I'm not a Dane but a quick and dirty translation looks like this to
me: Real Danes may feel free to interject.

"On the application of the method of least squares in cases where a
complication of certain kinds of heterogeneous, random sources of
error gives the
errors a 'systematic' character."

I'll see what I make of the Danish paper. Poking trolls with a sharp
stick is easily reward enough. ;-)
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Old May 17th 11, 03:24 PM posted to uk.sci.weather,uk.sci.astronomy,sci.astro.amateur
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Default Crop Circles from BBC helicopter footage

On May 16, 11:15*pm, "Chris.B" wrote:
On May 17, 2:21*am, Andrex muttered:



Neat how it got caught in the aerial photograph for Google Earth, huh?


Are we now blaming steam trains for crop circles? Has this particular
locomotive caused the strange (alien) markings on the nearby
roundabout? The egg shape is surely highly symbolic and offers the
chance of interpretation by even by the most foolish of ufologists?


Sorry to be a bit derogatory about your post but didn't you know it
was caused by Google Earth? Where do you think the pictures came
from?

http://www.richardfisher.com
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Old May 17th 11, 03:35 PM posted to uk.sci.astronomy,sci.astro.amateur
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Default Thiele's 1880 paper (was Crop Circles from BBC helicopter footage)

On May 17, 5:38*am, "Chris.B" wrote:
On May 17, 11:34*am, Martin Brown
wrote:



"Om Anvendelse af mindste Kwadraters Methode i nogle Tilfaelde, hvor en
Kmoplikation af visse Slags uensartede tilfaeldige Fejlkilder giver
Fejlene en 'systematisk' Karacter."


This is pre-1948 "Olde" Danish. Easily recognisable by the sprinkling
of capitals. Not really any more difficult than Ny Dansk.

I'm not a Dane but a quick and dirty translation looks like this to
me: Real Danes may feel free to interject.

"On the application of the method of least squares in cases where a
complication of certain kinds of heterogeneous, random sources of
error gives the
errors a 'systematic' character."

I'll see what I make of the Danish paper. Poking trolls with a sharp
stick is easily reward enough. ;-)


Google translate is pretty good and you just have to paste the text
in. It gave the following (not as good as yours) translations:

On minimum Kwadraters Methode in some cases where a Kmoplikation of
certain kinds of heterogeneous random sources of error gives Errors
are a 'systematic' Karacter

http://translate.google.com/#auto|en|

http://www.richardfisher.com
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Old May 17th 11, 04:19 PM posted to uk.sci.astronomy,sci.astro.amateur
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Default Thiele's 1880 paper (was Crop Circles from BBC helicopter footage)

On May 17, 4:35*pm, Helpful person wrote:

On minimum Kwadraters Methode in some cases where a Kmoplikation of
certain kinds of heterogeneous random sources of error gives Errors
are a 'systematic' Karacter


Which is an excellent example of why (in the absence of a Babel fish)
you always need a human bod in the translation chain. ;-)
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Old May 17th 11, 05:32 PM posted to uk.sci.weather,uk.sci.astronomy,sci.astro.amateur
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Default Crop Circles from BBC helicopter footage

On May 17, 5:30*pm, completely outmatched, Andrex gummed his keyboard
nervously:

it is interesting that the photography uploaded
to Google Earth contains such rare mobile objects as the Tornado
and one has to wonder if it was serendipitous or deliberate.


The Tornado? What on earth?

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Old May 17th 11, 06:08 PM posted to uk.sci.weather,uk.sci.astronomy,sci.astro.amateur
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Default Crop Circles from BBC helicopter footage

On 17/05/2011 17:32, Chris.B wrote:
On May 17, 5:30 pm, completely outmatched, Andrex gummed his keyboard
nervously:

it is interesting that the photography uploaded
to Google Earth contains such rare mobile objects as the Tornado
and one has to wonder if it was serendipitous or deliberate.


The Tornado? What on earth?


Rebuild from scratch modern steam train Peppercorn class A1 Pacific with
a 4-6-2 wheel configuration. A live steam enthusiasts dream!

http://www.a1steam.com/

It is rare in the sense that there is one of it. But if you take enough
satellite photographs it could easily appear on more than one of them.

He is being deliberately obscure to score points. The link to
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=51%C2%B043'44.95%22N%20%7C%201%C2%B04 3'46.72%22W&biw=1916&bih=995&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=il

should make it clear that it is a steam locomotive under way but with
only one carriage so not a scheduled service. I expect it spent a fair
amount of time pottering about on the sidings at Swindon. It would be
much more interesting if they caught it on the East coast main line.

As for it being rare I have been on a train passed by it on the main
line once - did wonder at the time why everyone was hanging around on
bridges and platforms. They have to be careful about routes and timings
as very few stations can feed and water a steam train these days.

Google prefers the coordinates as : 51 34 44.95N 1 43 46.72W
Then you have to zoom in a lot.

Regards,
Martin Brown
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Old May 17th 11, 07:58 PM posted to uk.sci.astronomy,sci.astro.amateur
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Default Thiele's 1880 paper (was Crop Circles from BBC helicopter footage)

On May 17, 8:19*am, "Chris.B" wrote:
On May 17, 4:35*pm, Helpful person wrote:



On minimum Kwadraters Methode in some cases where a Kmoplikation of
certain kinds of heterogeneous random sources of error gives Errors
are a 'systematic' Karacter


Which is an excellent example of why (in the absence of a Babel fish)
you always need a human bod in the translation chain. ;-)


Agreed. However, as a free translator and with a little intelligence
it can be very useful.

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Old May 17th 11, 08:36 PM posted to uk.sci.astronomy,sci.astro.amateur
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Default Thiele's 1880 paper (was Crop Circles from BBC helicopter footage)

On May 17, 8:58*pm, Helpful person wrote:


Agreed. *However, as a free translator and with *a little intelligence
it can be very useful.


I wasn't questioning the value of Google's (and other's) free
translation service. Far from it. They are very useful for doing the
legwork. Very often one can simply scan an auto-translation and then
pick out the detail which needs further "polishing" depending on one's
needs. The system rather falls down on technical terms but seems to
improve all the time. One would think there would be some sort of
public feedback system to offer back the completed translation after
the human checking stage. The absence of a public feedback mechanism
suggests that they must use their own translation personnel to improve
the quality of service. Perhaps they simply can't trust the general
public not to add their own "improvements" in their own language!
Monty Python and others had some amusing ketches around the
theme. :-)

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Old May 17th 11, 11:05 PM posted to uk.sci.astronomy,sci.astro.amateur
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Default Thiele's 1880 paper (was Crop Circles from BBC helicopter footage)

On May 17, 12:36*pm, "Chris.B" wrote:
On May 17, 8:58*pm, Helpful person wrote:



Agreed. *However, as a free translator and with *a little intelligence
it can be very useful.


I wasn't questioning the value of Google's (and other's) free
translation service. Far from it. They are very useful for doing the
legwork. Very often one can simply scan an auto-translation and then
pick out the detail which needs further "polishing" depending on one's
needs. The system rather falls down on technical terms but seems to
improve all the time. One would think there would be some sort of
public feedback system to offer back the completed translation after
the human checking stage. The absence of a public feedback mechanism
suggests that they must use their own translation personnel to improve
the quality of service. Perhaps they simply can't trust the general
public not to add their own "improvements" in their own language!
Monty Python and others had some amusing ketches around the
theme. :-)


Just a quick note: It's interesting to see the translations from a
language that not only has different colloquialisms but also a very
different culture. Translations from Chinese can be challenging.
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Old May 18th 11, 05:35 AM posted to uk.sci.weather,uk.sci.astronomy,sci.astro.amateur
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You are kidding, right?

This pattern was obviously created by an intelligent being. It is quite a
sophisticated and very carefully constructed design. No tornado created
this.

You have two options:

1. The intelligent life is human, probably living in Wiltshire, and did it
for a bit of fun.

2. The intelligent life is extra-terrestrial aliens, which visited Wiltshire
and made patterns on the ground for reasons unknown.

You can choose which to believe, but personally when I see some crops have
been bent over my first thought is not that an alien spaceship must be
involved.

 




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