End of summer 2014 observations

The Winter Triangle and the Winter Hexagon appear briefly in my early
morning sky at 43 deg N. After each appearance they become invisible a
short time later due to the Sun. Each appearance lasts a little longer
than the previous morning's.

Jupiter appears further East of Gemini since last Winter. Ares, Taurus,
Gemini, are easy to spot on a clear night, along with Pegasus and
others. Pegasus and a few others also remain visible in the early night
sky.

In the early night sky it's easy to see Scorpius, Sagittarius, and
Capricornus. Mars' retrograde motion relative to Saturn surprises me
(this time around).

--
Don Kuenz

On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 3:09:56 AM UTC+1, Don Kuenz wrote:
The Winter Triangle and the Winter Hexagon appear briefly in my early

morning sky at 43 deg N. After each appearance they become invisible a

short time later due to the Sun. Each appearance lasts a little longer

than the previous morning's.



Jupiter appears further East of Gemini since last Winter. Ares, Taurus,

Gemini, are easy to spot on a clear night, along with Pegasus and

others. Pegasus and a few others also remain visible in the early night

sky.



In the early night sky it's easy to see Scorpius, Sagittarius, and

Capricornus. Mars' retrograde motion relative to Saturn surprises me

(this time around).



--

Don Kuenz

You know,there are a lot of comments surrounding you observational report as you leave no room for an expanded view which takes into account long term motions such as the stars as they move behind the Sun in a line of sight observation seen from the orbital motion of the Earth but the poorest statement is definitely your 'retrograde' comment as these observations are always referred to the background stars and not the other planets.

The orbital period of Uranus is well over twice the length of time of Saturn and considerably more distant however retrogrades are seen as the Earth overtakes both these planets -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031216.html

Likewise the same with the closer Jupiter and Saturn as both are seen to temporarily fall behind in view as the Earth overtakes them when gauged against the background stars -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif

These observational reports become relevant in context of the actual motions of objects and even the ecliptic motion of the constellations behind the Sun due to the orbital motion of the Earth. Nobody loses anything by being tighter with observations rather than lapse into the willy, nilly celestial sphere view.

I am sure by now that readers in saa are ready for more accurate and more relevant astronomical reports otherwise you can retreat to the moderated forums where they will give you a title or scold you.

Carry on.

In article you wrote:
On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 3:09:56 AM UTC+1, Don Kuenz wrote:
The Winter Triangle and the Winter Hexagon appear briefly in my early
morning sky at 43 deg N. After each appearance they become invisible a
short time later due to the Sun. Each appearance lasts a little longer
than the previous morning's.

Jupiter appears further East of Gemini since last Winter. Ares, Taurus,
Gemini, are easy to spot on a clear night, along with Pegasus and
others. Pegasus and a few others also remain visible in the early night
sky.

In the early night sky it's easy to see Scorpius, Sagittarius, and
Capricornus. Mars' retrograde motion relative to Saturn surprises me

(this time around).

You know,there are a lot of comments surrounding you observational
report as you leave no room for an expanded view which takes into
account long term motions such as the stars as they move behind the
Sun in a line of sight observation seen from the orbital motion of the
Earth but the poorest statement is definitely your 'retrograde'
comment as these observations are always referred to the background
stars and not the other planets.

The orbital period of Uranus is well over twice the length of time of
Saturn and considerably more distant however retrogrades are seen as
the Earth overtakes both these planets -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031216.html

Likewise the same with the closer Jupiter and Saturn as both are seen
to temporarily fall behind in view as the Earth overtakes them when
gauged against the background stars -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif

These observational reports become relevant in context of the actual
motions of objects and even the ecliptic motion of the constellations
behind the Sun due to the orbital motion of the Earth. Nobody loses
anything by being tighter with observations rather than lapse into the
willy, nilly celestial sphere view.

I am sure by now that readers in saa are ready for more accurate and
more relevant astronomical reports otherwise you can retreat to the
moderated forums where they will give you a title or scold you.

Carry on.

Hmmm. How better to phrase that? The absolute position of Mars'
retrograde relative to Saturn's retrograde? Mars' appearance to the
South of Saturn?

Let's just call it Mars' planetary dance with Jupiter. Here's an open
question (to me). Have the two planets finished their do-si-do this time
around, or are they still in the middle of it?

--
Don Kuenz

On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 3:17:45 PM UTC+1, Don Kuenz wrote:
In article you wrote:

On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 3:09:56 AM UTC+1, Don Kuenz wrote:

The Winter Triangle and the Winter Hexagon appear briefly in my early

morning sky at 43 deg N. After each appearance they become invisible a

short time later due to the Sun. Each appearance lasts a little longer

than the previous morning's.



Jupiter appears further East of Gemini since last Winter. Ares, Taurus,

Gemini, are easy to spot on a clear night, along with Pegasus and

others. Pegasus and a few others also remain visible in the early night

sky.



In the early night sky it's easy to see Scorpius, Sagittarius, and

Capricornus. Mars' retrograde motion relative to Saturn surprises me



(this time around).



You know,there are a lot of comments surrounding you observational

report as you leave no room for an expanded view which takes into

account long term motions such as the stars as they move behind the

Sun in a line of sight observation seen from the orbital motion of the

Earth but the poorest statement is definitely your 'retrograde'

comment as these observations are always referred to the background

stars and not the other planets.



The orbital period of Uranus is well over twice the length of time of

Saturn and considerably more distant however retrogrades are seen as

the Earth overtakes both these planets -



http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031216.html



Likewise the same with the closer Jupiter and Saturn as both are seen

to temporarily fall behind in view as the Earth overtakes them when

gauged against the background stars -



http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif



These observational reports become relevant in context of the actual

motions of objects and even the ecliptic motion of the constellations

behind the Sun due to the orbital motion of the Earth. Nobody loses

anything by being tighter with observations rather than lapse into the

willy, nilly celestial sphere view.



I am sure by now that readers in saa are ready for more accurate and

more relevant astronomical reports otherwise you can retreat to the

moderated forums where they will give you a title or scold you.



Carry on.



Hmmm. How better to phrase that? The absolute position of Mars'

retrograde relative to Saturn's retrograde? Mars' appearance to the

South of Saturn?



Let's just call it Mars' planetary dance with Jupiter. Here's an open

question (to me). Have the two planets finished their do-si-do this time

around, or are they still in the middle of it?



--

Don Kuenz

At least the astrologers are interesting compared to celestial sphere observers like yourselves -

https://www.google.ie/?gws_rd=cr&ei=...ROG RADE+2014

https://www.google.ie/?gws_rd=cr&ei=...+ SATURN+2014

You are fine, how many others come here waxing lyrical about astronomy yet conjure even normal observations out of thin air and especially giving the daily arc of the Sun a circumpolar arc across the sky.