Aether has mass

On Nov 14, 7:52*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Nov 14, 11:11*am, Painius wrote:









On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:21:10 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 12, 4:35 pm, Painius wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:11:06 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 12, 2:55 am, Painius wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:13:58 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 11, 6:13 pm, Painius wrote:

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.

Yet, the aether cannot do that on its own. It must have help. There
must be a pressure exerted on the aether. What, in your opinion,
might be the source of that pressure?

Aether exists everywhere particles of matter do not.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and
the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

What, again in your opinion, causes the disappearance of the
interference pattern when a sensor is placed near a slit?

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory -
Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles.

any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous
energetic contact with a hidden medium

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The
energetic contact is the state of displacement of the aether.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path
which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether
passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates
wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction
it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave
piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle
strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into
chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors
and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves are
disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and
rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop
and it no longer creates an interference pattern.

Fascinating!

What is it about the detection of the particle that turns the
associated aether wave into "chop"? The detector does nothing but
"detect", correct? So how does a device that does nothing but detect
have any affect at all upon the aether wave that's associated with the
particle?

In a boat double slit experiment there are pilings at the exits to the
slits with sensors on them to detect the boat. As the boat exits the
slits the pilings turn the bow wave into chop.

The detection destroys the coherence of the associated wave in the
aether. The detection destroys the coherence between the particle and
its associated wave in the aether.

But where do those "pilings" come from? How does the detection
instrument generate those pilings? How does the detection destroy the
dual coherence you describe? All it happens to be is a detector, an
instrument that merely *receives* information. It's noted that the
detector must somehow do something to destroy the dual coherence, but
precisely how does an instrument that is only there to receive
information have any effect at all upon the particle or the wave?

The detector detects the particle by physically interacting with the
particle. The detector also physically interacts with the associated
wave in the aether. The detector turns the aether wave into chop.

It is amazing you can make up magical particles which magically flow
toward the Earth and magically transition from mass to energy and back
again but you can't understand how physically detecting the a particle
can turn the associated wave in the aether into chop.

lol! *It is you, Mike, who proffers effect without cause. *So it is
you who make up the magic of an aether that causes gravity merely by
being displaced by matter. *Without a pressure/force behind that
aether, then it operates on fairy wings.

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Happiness makes up in height for what it lacks in length."

Aether "fairy wings" could be the next great thing.

No doubt something other than a great deal of helium, rogue electrons
and 1e36 photons/cm3 probably exist wherever other molecular mass is
not all that significant(less than 1 atom/cm3)

A MOVING particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle TRAVELS through a single slit
while the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

On Nov 14, 5:30*pm, mpc755 wrote:
On Nov 14, 7:52*pm, Brad Guth wrote:









On Nov 14, 11:11*am, Painius wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:21:10 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 12, 4:35 pm, Painius wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:11:06 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 12, 2:55 am, Painius wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:13:58 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 11, 6:13 pm, Painius wrote:

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.

Yet, the aether cannot do that on its own. It must have help.. There
must be a pressure exerted on the aether. What, in your opinion,
might be the source of that pressure?

Aether exists everywhere particles of matter do not.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and
the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

What, again in your opinion, causes the disappearance of the
interference pattern when a sensor is placed near a slit?

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory -
Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles.

any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous
energetic contact with a hidden medium

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The
energetic contact is the state of displacement of the aether.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path
which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether
passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates
wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction
it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave
piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle
strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into
chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors
and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves are
disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and
rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop
and it no longer creates an interference pattern.

Fascinating!

What is it about the detection of the particle that turns the
associated aether wave into "chop"? The detector does nothing but
"detect", correct? So how does a device that does nothing but detect
have any affect at all upon the aether wave that's associated with the
particle?

In a boat double slit experiment there are pilings at the exits to the
slits with sensors on them to detect the boat. As the boat exits the
slits the pilings turn the bow wave into chop.

The detection destroys the coherence of the associated wave in the
aether. The detection destroys the coherence between the particle and
its associated wave in the aether.

But where do those "pilings" come from? How does the detection
instrument generate those pilings? How does the detection destroy the
dual coherence you describe? All it happens to be is a detector, an
instrument that merely *receives* information. It's noted that the
detector must somehow do something to destroy the dual coherence, but
precisely how does an instrument that is only there to receive
information have any effect at all upon the particle or the wave?

The detector detects the particle by physically interacting with the
particle. The detector also physically interacts with the associated
wave in the aether. The detector turns the aether wave into chop.

It is amazing you can make up magical particles which magically flow
toward the Earth and magically transition from mass to energy and back
again but you can't understand how physically detecting the a particle
can turn the associated wave in the aether into chop.

lol! *It is you, Mike, who proffers effect without cause. *So it is
you who make up the magic of an aether that causes gravity merely by
being displaced by matter. *Without a pressure/force behind that
aether, then it operates on fairy wings.

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Happiness makes up in height for what it lacks in length."

Aether "fairy wings" could be the next great thing.

No doubt something other than a great deal of helium, rogue electrons
and 1e36 photons/cm3 probably exist wherever other molecular mass is
not all that significant(less than 1 atom/cm3)

A MOVING particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle TRAVELS through a single slit
while the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

What has that to do with an electron particle moving in a conductor?

On Nov 14, 5:30*pm, mpc755 wrote:
On Nov 14, 7:52*pm, Brad Guth wrote:









On Nov 14, 11:11*am, Painius wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:21:10 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 12, 4:35 pm, Painius wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:11:06 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 12, 2:55 am, Painius wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:13:58 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 11, 6:13 pm, Painius wrote:

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.

Yet, the aether cannot do that on its own. It must have help.. There
must be a pressure exerted on the aether. What, in your opinion,
might be the source of that pressure?

Aether exists everywhere particles of matter do not.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and
the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

What, again in your opinion, causes the disappearance of the
interference pattern when a sensor is placed near a slit?

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory -
Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles.

any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous
energetic contact with a hidden medium

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The
energetic contact is the state of displacement of the aether.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path
which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether
passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates
wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction
it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave
piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle
strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into
chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors
and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves are
disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and
rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop
and it no longer creates an interference pattern.

Fascinating!

What is it about the detection of the particle that turns the
associated aether wave into "chop"? The detector does nothing but
"detect", correct? So how does a device that does nothing but detect
have any affect at all upon the aether wave that's associated with the
particle?

In a boat double slit experiment there are pilings at the exits to the
slits with sensors on them to detect the boat. As the boat exits the
slits the pilings turn the bow wave into chop.

The detection destroys the coherence of the associated wave in the
aether. The detection destroys the coherence between the particle and
its associated wave in the aether.

But where do those "pilings" come from? How does the detection
instrument generate those pilings? How does the detection destroy the
dual coherence you describe? All it happens to be is a detector, an
instrument that merely *receives* information. It's noted that the
detector must somehow do something to destroy the dual coherence, but
precisely how does an instrument that is only there to receive
information have any effect at all upon the particle or the wave?

The detector detects the particle by physically interacting with the
particle. The detector also physically interacts with the associated
wave in the aether. The detector turns the aether wave into chop.

It is amazing you can make up magical particles which magically flow
toward the Earth and magically transition from mass to energy and back
again but you can't understand how physically detecting the a particle
can turn the associated wave in the aether into chop.

lol! *It is you, Mike, who proffers effect without cause. *So it is
you who make up the magic of an aether that causes gravity merely by
being displaced by matter. *Without a pressure/force behind that
aether, then it operates on fairy wings.

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Happiness makes up in height for what it lacks in length."

Aether "fairy wings" could be the next great thing.

No doubt something other than a great deal of helium, rogue electrons
and 1e36 photons/cm3 probably exist wherever other molecular mass is
not all that significant(less than 1 atom/cm3)

A MOVING particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle TRAVELS through a single slit
while the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

“What is the conductivity speed of electrons in a superconductor?“
It is a bit of a misconception that electrons move at the speed of
electricity through a wire. Electricity moves move like a wave, with
many electrons moving as a direct result of the movement of other
nearby electrons. In a typical piece of copper wire, the Electrons
themselves only reach speeds of about 2 cm per second, depending on
the amount of current present.

In a super conductor, the electrons are "free", meaning they are not
bound to their individual atoms or molecules. In this case, with a
similar amount of current, the electrons would not move any faster
than in a normal piece of wire. However, because of the ease of moving
electricity through a super conductive wire, a much smaller piece of
wire can be used. (Imagine if you could move all the water in a fire
hose through a drinking straw!) Now the more limited number of
electrons would have to move faster, though their actual physical
speed is still a function of just how much current passes through the
wire.

Ryan B.lscamper

On Nov 15, 12:08*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Nov 14, 5:30*pm, mpc755 wrote:









On Nov 14, 7:52*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 14, 11:11*am, Painius wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:21:10 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 12, 4:35 pm, Painius wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:11:06 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 12, 2:55 am, Painius wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:13:58 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 11, 6:13 pm, Painius wrote:

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.

Yet, the aether cannot do that on its own. It must have help. There
must be a pressure exerted on the aether. What, in your opinion,
might be the source of that pressure?

Aether exists everywhere particles of matter do not.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and
the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

What, again in your opinion, causes the disappearance of the
interference pattern when a sensor is placed near a slit?

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory -
Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles.

any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous
energetic contact with a hidden medium

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether.. The
energetic contact is the state of displacement of the aether.

On Nov 15, 12:16*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Nov 14, 5:30*pm, mpc755 wrote:









On Nov 14, 7:52*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 14, 11:11*am, Painius wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:21:10 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 12, 4:35 pm, Painius wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:11:06 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 12, 2:55 am, Painius wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:13:58 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 11, 6:13 pm, Painius wrote:

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.

Yet, the aether cannot do that on its own. It must have help. There
must be a pressure exerted on the aether. What, in your opinion,
might be the source of that pressure?

Aether exists everywhere particles of matter do not.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and
the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

What, again in your opinion, causes the disappearance of the
interference pattern when a sensor is placed near a slit?

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory -
Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles.

any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous
energetic contact with a hidden medium

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether.. The
energetic contact is the state of displacement of the aether.

On Nov 15, 4:29*am, mpc755 wrote:
On Nov 15, 12:08*am, Brad Guth wrote:









On Nov 14, 5:30*pm, mpc755 wrote:

On Nov 14, 7:52*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 14, 11:11*am, Painius wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:21:10 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 12, 4:35 pm, Painius wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:11:06 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 12, 2:55 am, Painius wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:13:58 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 11, 6:13 pm, Painius wrote:

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.

Yet, the aether cannot do that on its own. It must have help. There
must be a pressure exerted on the aether. What, in your opinion,
might be the source of that pressure?

Aether exists everywhere particles of matter do not.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and
the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

What, again in your opinion, causes the disappearance of the
interference pattern when a sensor is placed near a slit?

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory -
Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles.

any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous
energetic contact with a hidden medium

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The
energetic contact is the state of displacement of the aether.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path
which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether
passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates
wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction
it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave
piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle
strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into
chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors
and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves are
disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and
rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop
and it no longer creates an interference pattern.

Fascinating!

What is it about the detection of the particle that turns the
associated aether wave into "chop"? The detector does nothing but
"detect", correct? So how does a device that does nothing but detect
have any affect at all upon the aether wave that's associated with the
particle?

In a boat double slit experiment there are pilings at the exits to the
slits with sensors on them to detect the boat. As the boat exits the
slits the pilings turn the bow wave into chop.

The detection destroys the coherence of the associated wave in the
aether. The detection destroys the coherence between the particle and
its associated wave in the aether.

But where do those "pilings" come from? How does the detection
instrument generate those pilings? How does the detection destroy the
dual coherence you describe? All it happens to be is a detector, an
instrument that merely *receives* information. It's noted that the
detector must somehow do something to destroy the dual coherence, but
precisely how does an instrument that is only there to receive
information have any effect at all upon the particle or the wave?

The detector detects the particle by physically interacting with the
particle. The detector also physically interacts with the associated
wave in the aether. The detector turns the aether wave into chop..

It is amazing you can make up magical particles which magically flow
toward the Earth and magically transition from mass to energy and back
again but you can't understand how physically detecting the a particle
can turn the associated wave in the aether into chop.

lol! *It is you, Mike, who proffers effect without cause. *So it is
you who make up the magic of an aether that causes gravity merely by
being displaced by matter. *Without a pressure/force behind that
aether, then it operates on fairy wings.

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Happiness makes up in height for what it lacks in length."

Aether "fairy wings" could be the next great thing.

No doubt something other than a great deal of helium, rogue electrons
and 1e36 photons/cm3 probably exist wherever other molecular mass is
not all that significant(less than 1 atom/cm3)

A MOVING particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle TRAVELS through a single slit
while the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

What has that to do with an electron particle moving in a conductor?

So, you are saying particles move?

Yes, at least any particle as having measurable mass can be
objectively proven to have moved.

On Nov 15, 4:30*am, mpc755 wrote:
On Nov 15, 12:16*am, Brad Guth wrote:









On Nov 14, 5:30*pm, mpc755 wrote:

On Nov 14, 7:52*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 14, 11:11*am, Painius wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:21:10 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 12, 4:35 pm, Painius wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:11:06 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 12, 2:55 am, Painius wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:13:58 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 11, 6:13 pm, Painius wrote:

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.

Yet, the aether cannot do that on its own. It must have help. There
must be a pressure exerted on the aether. What, in your opinion,
might be the source of that pressure?

Aether exists everywhere particles of matter do not.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and
the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

What, again in your opinion, causes the disappearance of the
interference pattern when a sensor is placed near a slit?

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory -
Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles.

any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous
energetic contact with a hidden medium

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The
energetic contact is the state of displacement of the aether.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path
which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether
passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates
wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction
it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave
piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle
strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into
chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors
and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves are
disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and
rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop
and it no longer creates an interference pattern.

Fascinating!

What is it about the detection of the particle that turns the
associated aether wave into "chop"? The detector does nothing but
"detect", correct? So how does a device that does nothing but detect
have any affect at all upon the aether wave that's associated with the
particle?

In a boat double slit experiment there are pilings at the exits to the
slits with sensors on them to detect the boat. As the boat exits the
slits the pilings turn the bow wave into chop.

The detection destroys the coherence of the associated wave in the
aether. The detection destroys the coherence between the particle and
its associated wave in the aether.

But where do those "pilings" come from? How does the detection
instrument generate those pilings? How does the detection destroy the
dual coherence you describe? All it happens to be is a detector, an
instrument that merely *receives* information. It's noted that the
detector must somehow do something to destroy the dual coherence, but
precisely how does an instrument that is only there to receive
information have any effect at all upon the particle or the wave?

The detector detects the particle by physically interacting with the
particle. The detector also physically interacts with the associated
wave in the aether. The detector turns the aether wave into chop..

It is amazing you can make up magical particles which magically flow
toward the Earth and magically transition from mass to energy and back
again but you can't understand how physically detecting the a particle
can turn the associated wave in the aether into chop.

lol! *It is you, Mike, who proffers effect without cause. *So it is
you who make up the magic of an aether that causes gravity merely by
being displaced by matter. *Without a pressure/force behind that
aether, then it operates on fairy wings.

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Happiness makes up in height for what it lacks in length."

Aether "fairy wings" could be the next great thing.

No doubt something other than a great deal of helium, rogue electrons
and 1e36 photons/cm3 probably exist wherever other molecular mass is
not all that significant(less than 1 atom/cm3)

A MOVING particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle TRAVELS through a single slit
while the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

“What is the conductivity speed of electrons in a superconductor?“
It is a bit of a misconception that electrons move at the speed of
electricity through a wire. Electricity moves move like a wave, with
many electrons moving as a direct result of the movement of other
nearby electrons. In a typical piece of copper wire, the Electrons
themselves only reach speeds of about 2 cm per second, depending on
the amount of current present.

In a super conductor, the electrons are "free", meaning they are not
bound to their individual atoms or molecules. In this case, with a
similar amount of current, the electrons would not move any faster
than in a normal piece of wire. However, because of the ease of moving
electricity through a super conductive wire, a much smaller piece of
wire can be used. (Imagine if you could move all the water in a fire
hose through a drinking straw!) Now the more limited number of
electrons would have to move faster, though their actual physical
speed is still a function of just how much current passes through the
wire.

Ryan B.lscamper

So, you are saying particles move?

Yes, objectively proven that an individual particle such as an
electron actually moves in a conductor, though a tad bit slow.

On Nov 15, 9:15*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Nov 15, 4:30*am, mpc755 wrote:









On Nov 15, 12:16*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 14, 5:30*pm, mpc755 wrote:

On Nov 14, 7:52*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 14, 11:11*am, Painius wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:21:10 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 12, 4:35 pm, Painius wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:11:06 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 12, 2:55 am, Painius wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:13:58 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 11, 6:13 pm, Painius wrote:

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.

Yet, the aether cannot do that on its own. It must have help. There
must be a pressure exerted on the aether. What, in your opinion,
might be the source of that pressure?

Aether exists everywhere particles of matter do not.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and
the associated wave in the aether passes through both..

What, again in your opinion, causes the disappearance of the
interference pattern when a sensor is placed near a slit?

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory -
Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles.

any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous
energetic contact with a hidden medium

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The
energetic contact is the state of displacement of the aether.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path
which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether
passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates
wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction
it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave
piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle
strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into
chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors
and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves are
disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and
rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop
and it no longer creates an interference pattern.

Fascinating!

What is it about the detection of the particle that turns the
associated aether wave into "chop"? The detector does nothing but
"detect", correct? So how does a device that does nothing but detect
have any affect at all upon the aether wave that's associated with the
particle?

In a boat double slit experiment there are pilings at the exits to the
slits with sensors on them to detect the boat. As the boat exits the
slits the pilings turn the bow wave into chop.

The detection destroys the coherence of the associated wave in the
aether. The detection destroys the coherence between the particle and
its associated wave in the aether.

But where do those "pilings" come from? How does the detection
instrument generate those pilings? How does the detection destroy the
dual coherence you describe? All it happens to be is a detector, an
instrument that merely *receives* information. It's noted that the
detector must somehow do something to destroy the dual coherence, but
precisely how does an instrument that is only there to receive
information have any effect at all upon the particle or the wave?

The detector detects the particle by physically interacting with the
particle. The detector also physically interacts with the associated
wave in the aether. The detector turns the aether wave into chop.

It is amazing you can make up magical particles which magically flow
toward the Earth and magically transition from mass to energy and back
again but you can't understand how physically detecting the a particle
can turn the associated wave in the aether into chop.

lol! *It is you, Mike, who proffers effect without cause. *So it is
you who make up the magic of an aether that causes gravity merely by
being displaced by matter. *Without a pressure/force behind that
aether, then it operates on fairy wings.

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Happiness makes up in height for what it lacks in length."

Aether "fairy wings" could be the next great thing.

No doubt something other than a great deal of helium, rogue electrons
and 1e36 photons/cm3 probably exist wherever other molecular mass is
not all that significant(less than 1 atom/cm3)

A MOVING particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle TRAVELS through a single slit
while the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

“What is the conductivity speed of electrons in a superconductor?“
It is a bit of a misconception that electrons move at the speed of
electricity through a wire. Electricity moves move like a wave, with
many electrons moving as a direct result of the movement of other
nearby electrons. In a typical piece of copper wire, the Electrons
themselves only reach speeds of about 2 cm per second, depending on
the amount of current present.

In a super conductor, the electrons are "free", meaning they are not
bound to their individual atoms or molecules. In this case, with a
similar amount of current, the electrons would not move any faster
than in a normal piece of wire. However, because of the ease of moving
electricity through a super conductive wire, a much smaller piece of
wire can be used. (Imagine if you could move all the water in a fire
hose through a drinking straw!) Now the more limited number of
electrons would have to move faster, though their actual physical
speed is still a function of just how much current passes through the
wire.

Ryan B.lscamper

So, you are saying particles move?

Yes, objectively proven that an individual particle such as an
electron actually moves in a conductor, though a tad bit slow.

So, in terms of what occurs physically in nature in a double slit
experiment where the particle is NOT a photon, you understand the
particle travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the
aether passes through both, correct?

On Nov 15, 7:21*am, mpc755 wrote:
On Nov 15, 9:15*am, Brad Guth wrote:









On Nov 15, 4:30*am, mpc755 wrote:

On Nov 15, 12:16*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 14, 5:30*pm, mpc755 wrote:

On Nov 14, 7:52*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 14, 11:11*am, Painius wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:21:10 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 12, 4:35 pm, Painius wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:11:06 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 12, 2:55 am, Painius wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:13:58 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 11, 6:13 pm, Painius wrote:

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.

Yet, the aether cannot do that on its own. It must have help. There
must be a pressure exerted on the aether. What, in your opinion,
might be the source of that pressure?

Aether exists everywhere particles of matter do not.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and
the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

What, again in your opinion, causes the disappearance of the
interference pattern when a sensor is placed near a slit?

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory -
Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles.

any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous
energetic contact with a hidden medium

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The
energetic contact is the state of displacement of the aether.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path
which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether
passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates
wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction
it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave
piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle
strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into
chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors
and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves are
disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and
rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop
and it no longer creates an interference pattern.

Fascinating!

What is it about the detection of the particle that turns the
associated aether wave into "chop"? The detector does nothing but
"detect", correct? So how does a device that does nothing but detect
have any affect at all upon the aether wave that's associated with the
particle?

In a boat double slit experiment there are pilings at the exits to the
slits with sensors on them to detect the boat. As the boat exits the
slits the pilings turn the bow wave into chop.

The detection destroys the coherence of the associated wave in the
aether. The detection destroys the coherence between the particle and
its associated wave in the aether.

But where do those "pilings" come from? How does the detection
instrument generate those pilings? How does the detection destroy the
dual coherence you describe? All it happens to be is a detector, an
instrument that merely *receives* information. It's noted that the
detector must somehow do something to destroy the dual coherence, but
precisely how does an instrument that is only there to receive
information have any effect at all upon the particle or the wave?

The detector detects the particle by physically interacting with the
particle. The detector also physically interacts with the associated
wave in the aether. The detector turns the aether wave into chop.

It is amazing you can make up magical particles which magically flow
toward the Earth and magically transition from mass to energy and back
again but you can't understand how physically detecting the a particle
can turn the associated wave in the aether into chop.

lol! *It is you, Mike, who proffers effect without cause. *So it is
you who make up the magic of an aether that causes gravity merely by
being displaced by matter. *Without a pressure/force behind that
aether, then it operates on fairy wings.

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Happiness makes up in height for what it lacks in length."

Aether "fairy wings" could be the next great thing.

No doubt something other than a great deal of helium, rogue electrons
and 1e36 photons/cm3 probably exist wherever other molecular mass is
not all that significant(less than 1 atom/cm3)

A MOVING particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle TRAVELS through a single slit
while the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

“What is the conductivity speed of electrons in a superconductor?“
It is a bit of a misconception that electrons move at the speed of
electricity through a wire. Electricity moves move like a wave, with
many electrons moving as a direct result of the movement of other
nearby electrons. In a typical piece of copper wire, the Electrons
themselves only reach speeds of about 2 cm per second, depending on
the amount of current present.

In a super conductor, the electrons are "free", meaning they are not
bound to their individual atoms or molecules. In this case, with a
similar amount of current, the electrons would not move any faster
than in a normal piece of wire. However, because of the ease of moving
electricity through a super conductive wire, a much smaller piece of
wire can be used. (Imagine if you could move all the water in a fire
hose through a drinking straw!) Now the more limited number of
electrons would have to move faster, though their actual physical
speed is still a function of just how much current passes through the
wire.

Ryan B.lscamper

So, you are saying particles move?

Yes, objectively proven that an individual particle such as an
electron actually moves in a conductor, though a tad bit slow.

So, in terms of what occurs physically in nature in a double slit
experiment where the particle is NOT a photon, you understand the
particle travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the
aether passes through both, correct?

Sure thing, because your analogy seems logical enough, as to
interpreting that aether in a vacuum (such as within the Earth-moon
L1) of 1e-18 bar or less, would have that aether wave as either
traveling or materializing much faster than any physical particle that
tags along for the ride.

Though which of those comes first: the wave or the particle?

On Nov 15, 12:04*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Nov 15, 7:21*am, mpc755 wrote:









On Nov 15, 9:15*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 15, 4:30*am, mpc755 wrote:

On Nov 15, 12:16*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 14, 5:30*pm, mpc755 wrote:

On Nov 14, 7:52*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Nov 14, 11:11*am, Painius wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:21:10 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 12, 4:35 pm, Painius wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:11:06 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 12, 2:55 am, Painius wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:13:58 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 11, 6:13 pm, Painius wrote:

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.

Yet, the aether cannot do that on its own. It must have help. There
must be a pressure exerted on the aether. What, in your opinion,
might be the source of that pressure?

Aether exists everywhere particles of matter do not.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and
the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

What, again in your opinion, causes the disappearance of the
interference pattern when a sensor is placed near a slit?

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory -
Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles.

any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous
energetic contact with a hidden medium

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The
energetic contact is the state of displacement of the aether.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path
which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether
passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates
wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction
it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave
piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle
strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into
chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors
and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves are
disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and
rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop
and it no longer creates an interference pattern.

Fascinating!

What is it about the detection of the particle that turns the
associated aether wave into "chop"? The detector does nothing but
"detect", correct? So how does a device that does nothing but detect
have any affect at all upon the aether wave that's associated with the
particle?

In a boat double slit experiment there are pilings at the exits to the
slits with sensors on them to detect the boat. As the boat exits the
slits the pilings turn the bow wave into chop.

The detection destroys the coherence of the associated wave in the
aether. The detection destroys the coherence between the particle and
its associated wave in the aether.

But where do those "pilings" come from? How does the detection
instrument generate those pilings? How does the detection destroy the
dual coherence you describe? All it happens to be is a detector, an
instrument that merely *receives* information. It's noted that the
detector must somehow do something to destroy the dual coherence, but
precisely how does an instrument that is only there to receive
information have any effect at all upon the particle or the wave?

The detector detects the particle by physically interacting with the
particle. The detector also physically interacts with the associated
wave in the aether. The detector turns the aether wave into chop.

It is amazing you can make up magical particles which magically flow
toward the Earth and magically transition from mass to energy and back
again but you can't understand how physically detecting the a particle
can turn the associated wave in the aether into chop.

lol! *It is you, Mike, who proffers effect without cause. *So it is
you who make up the magic of an aether that causes gravity merely by
being displaced by matter. *Without a pressure/force behind that
aether, then it operates on fairy wings.

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Happiness makes up in height for what it lacks in length."

Aether "fairy wings" could be the next great thing.

No doubt something other than a great deal of helium, rogue electrons
and 1e36 photons/cm3 probably exist wherever other molecular mass is
not all that significant(less than 1 atom/cm3)

A MOVING particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle TRAVELS through a single slit
while the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

“What is the conductivity speed of electrons in a superconductor?“
It is a bit of a misconception that electrons move at the speed of
electricity through a wire. Electricity moves move like a wave, with
many electrons moving as a direct result of the movement of other
nearby electrons. In a typical piece of copper wire, the Electrons
themselves only reach speeds of about 2 cm per second, depending on
the amount of current present.

In a super conductor, the electrons are "free", meaning they are not
bound to their individual atoms or molecules. In this case, with a
similar amount of current, the electrons would not move any faster
than in a normal piece of wire. However, because of the ease of moving
electricity through a super conductive wire, a much smaller piece of
wire can be used. (Imagine if you could move all the water in a fire
hose through a drinking straw!) Now the more limited number of
electrons would have to move faster, though their actual physical
speed is still a function of just how much current passes through the
wire.

Ryan B.lscamper

So, you are saying particles move?

Yes, objectively proven that an individual particle such as an
electron actually moves in a conductor, though a tad bit slow.

So, in terms of what occurs physically in nature in a double slit
experiment where the particle is NOT a photon, you understand the
particle travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the
aether passes through both, correct?

Sure thing, because your analogy seems logical enough, as to
interpreting that aether in a vacuum (such as within the Earth-moon
L1) of 1e-18 bar or less, would have that aether wave as either
traveling or materializing much faster than any physical particle that
tags along for the ride.

Though which of those comes first: the wave or the particle?

A particle physically displaces the aether. A particle moving with
respect to the state of the aether in which it exists has an
associated aether displacement wave. So, the particle has to be moving
through the aether in order to create the wave.