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Old December 17th 08, 07:20 AM posted to sci.astro,sci.physics
Yousuf Khan
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Default Dark Energy won't cause the "Big Rip"

One of the theories about the nature of Dark Energy is that it keeps
growing and growing as the Universe expands. At some point the Dark
Energy is so strong that it can counteract the Strong Force and rip
matter apart, right at the subatomic level! This study seems to say that
Dark Energy will not grow, so there is no chance that matter will be
ripped apart at such a small scale.

No "Big Rip" in our Futu Chandra Provides Insights Into Dark Energy |
Universe Today
"But the Chandra study strengthens the evidence that dark energy is the
cosmological constant, and is not growing in strength with time, which
would cause the Universe to eventually rip itself apart."
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/12...o-dark-energy/
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Old December 17th 08, 02:55 PM posted to sci.astro,sci.physics
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Dear Yousuf Khan:

On Dec 17, 12:20*am, Yousuf Khan wrote:
One of the theories about the nature of Dark Energy is
that it keeps growing and growing as the Universe
expands. At some point the Dark Energy is so strong
that it can counteract the Strong Force and rip matter
apart, right at the subatomic level!


"At some point, no particle will have any other particle in its
future."

This study seems to say that Dark Energy will not
grow, so there is no chance that matter will be
ripped apart at such a small scale.


Inflation was caused by... what, if not Dark Energy? This might mean
that Dark Energy (or the cosmological constant) is not a constant for
all time, just for the period observed. Until we understand the
mechanics of what it is (or what it really represents), we can't know
how it stays constant.

There is little difference between infinite diffusion and a Universal
Bose-Einstein condensate state, as far as life is concerned.

David A. Smith
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Old December 17th 08, 06:38 PM posted to sci.astro,sci.physics
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On Dec 17, 2:44 am, Sam Wormley wrote:
In other words, Einstein's "cosmological constant" has a small invariant
positive value.


Maybe only for the moment, it looks like it could be constant.
However, we can't forget that around 5.5 billion years after the Big
Bang, the Dark Energy component went from insignificant to
overpowering. What caused the Dark Energy to ramp up, and why? So
who's to say that sometime in the future it won't do something else
that's different?

Yousuf Khan
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Old December 17th 08, 06:41 PM posted to sci.astro,sci.physics
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On Dec 17, 9:55 am, dlzc wrote:
Inflation was caused by... what, if not Dark Energy? This might mean
that Dark Energy (or the cosmological constant) is not a constant for
all time, just for the period observed. Until we understand the
mechanics of what it is (or what it really represents), we can't know
how it stays constant.


I don't disagree with that, I am just posting the link and the
scientists' own conclusions from it. Doesn't mean I totally buy into
what they say.

There is little difference between infinite diffusion and a Universal
Bose-Einstein condensate state, as far as life is concerned.


OK, this completely flew over my head. What's Bose-Einstein
condensates and life got to do with each other? And what do you mean
by infinite diffusion?

Yousuf Khan
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Old December 17th 08, 08:53 PM posted to sci.astro,sci.physics
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Dear YKhan:

On Dec 17, 11:41*am, YKhan wrote:
On Dec 17, 9:55 wrote:

Inflation was caused by... what, if not Dark Energy?
*This might mean that Dark Energy (or the
cosmological constant) is not a constant for all time,
just for the period observed. *Until we understand the
mechanics of what it is (or what it really represents),
we can't know how it stays constant.


I don't disagree with that, I am just posting the link
and the scientists' own conclusions from it. Doesn't
mean I totally buy into what they say.


Acknowledged.

There is little difference between infinite diffusion
and a Universal Bose-Einstein condensate state,
as far as life is concerned.


OK, this completely flew over my head.


Sorry.

What's Bose-Einstein condensates and life got to
do with each other?


Drop CMBR to zero. States of interbody matter will eventually drop to
same, and "discreteness" is lost, acting as an "aether". Interactions
are to the gestalt, and not any local concentration of matter. Light
will be essentially lost to the medium between star and planet.

And what do you mean by infinite diffusion?


"In the distant future, no particle will have any other particle in
its future." No electron will ever see another proton via virtual
photon exchange. Atoms become unbound, perhaps even quarks eventually
(allow dissociation of even protons). Not really sure it will ever go
this far.

David A. Smith
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Old December 19th 08, 07:19 AM posted to sci.astro,sci.physics
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One of the theories about the nature of Dark Energy is that it keeps
growing and growing as the Universe expands. At some point the Dark
Energy is so strong that it can counteract the Strong Force and rip
matter apart, right at the subatomic level! This study seems to say that
Dark Energy will not grow, so there is no chance that matter will be
ripped apart at such a small scale.

No "Big Rip" in our Futu Chandra Provides Insights Into Dark Energy |
Universe Today
"But the Chandra study strengthens the evidence that dark energy is the
cosmological constant, and is not growing in strength with time, which
would cause the Universe to eventually rip itself apart."http://www.universetoday.com/2008/12/16/no-big-rip-in-our-future-chan...


Dark energy has no energy, dark matter has no matter.

Dark matter gravitates, so it may attract matter.

Dark energy is double delay in time due to relativity, can be
calculated.
It is a relativistic delay.

Light sends the first signal of an event at a distance. When received
that signal, light traveled at zero time lapse at the frame of the
light.
Light brings the first event from a distant event. Zero time passed.
Then, nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, meaning
if the distant event threw mass toward Earth with the speed of light,
it will take at least the speed of light for that mass to reach us.
This means if we predict an event happened 10 light years away
and 10 years ago, the mass from that burst or ejection of mass
traveling at near the speed of light won't reach us for another 10
years from the point of seeing it. We have a double distance from
out point of observation that spans an event to 20 years, not 10.
This looses half the light. That was discovered this year that all
things we see lost half the light. We find a double delay in time
and half the light intensity (not red shift, but luminocity).

Things fade in time. Now you see that is a strange thing, and
Einstein discovered such strange things.

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Old December 19th 08, 07:24 AM posted to sci.astro,sci.physics
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On Dec 17, 11:38*am, YKhan wrote:
On Dec 17, 2:44 am, Sam Wormley wrote:

* *In other words, Einstein's "cosmological constant" has a small invariant
* *positive value.


Maybe only for the moment, it looks like it could be constant.
However, we can't forget that around 5.5 billion years after the Big
Bang, the Dark Energy component went from insignificant to
overpowering. What caused the Dark Energy to ramp up, and why? So
who's to say that sometime in the future it won't do something else
that's different?

* Yousuf Khan


Dark matter was much stronger. I think it is dark matter which
weakened
between galaxies. Once that happened, galaxies were not closely bound
gravitationally. It was shown by scientists that dark matter was there
strongly between galaxies in the early Universe.

The theory of dark matter (solved) is at www.NewDirectionEurope.com/dark_matter

Dark matter is found today mainly inside spiral and ring galaxies in
large quantities.

 




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