Whats Wrong With NUCLEAR Power

hanson wrote:

"Sir Frederick" wrote:
A classical science fiction method of getting rid of radioactive waste
has been to dump it into the sun.

hanson wrote:
... but wouldn't the solar radiation bake, vaporize and ionize such
incoming loads... and wouldn't the solar wind blow that gossamer stuff
then right back into the direction it came from? ... ahahahaha...
ahahahanson

Worse yet, it could contaminate the sun with radiation.
You irresponsible fool!

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On Aug 13, 9:37*pm, Howard Brazee wrote:
On 14 Aug 2009 00:18:49 GMT, Michael Coburn
wrote:

BY the time you get a large scale uranium nuclear plant built the thorium
reactors will obsolete it.

Power plant technologies seem to advance slowly. * But "obsolete"
power plants are producing power all over the world.

Well, that's why they're obsolete. Since the only people who
even build power plants anymore, are governments.
The people with actual engineering have working on AI, Electronic
Books,
Self-Replicating Machines, Self-Assembling Robots, DSP, Fiber
Optics,
Holograms, UAVs, AAVs, Drones, Cruise Missiles, Phalanx,
Satellites,
GPS, Desktop Publishing, HDTV, On-Line Banking, On-Line Shopping,
On-Line Publishing,
Optical Computers, Atomic Clock Wris****ches, Light Sticks, Cyber
Batteries,
and Distributed Processing Software. Since what power plants
everywhere have in common, irrrespective of their current age,
is Press idiots and Paint Brushes






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: Sir Frederick
: A classical science fiction method of getting rid of radioactive
: waste has been to dump it into the sun.

Really? In which classical SF works is this method used?

( Of course, in real life, it's an extraordinarily silly and stupid method,
even if the space infrastructure existed to do it. )


Wayne Throop http://sheol.org/throopw

Wayne Throop wrote:
Sir Frederick wrote

A classical science fiction method of getting rid of
radioactive waste has been to dump it into the sun.

Really? In which classical SF works is this method used?

( Of course, in real life, it's an extraordinarily silly and stupid
method, even if the space infrastructure existed to do it. )

No it isnt.

Michael Coburn wrote
Howard Brazee wrote
Michael Coburn wrote

BY the time you get a large scale uranium nuclear
plant built the thorium reactors will obsolete it.

Power plant technologies seem to advance slowly. But "obsolete"
power plants are producing power all over the world.

But are they creating decent ROI?

Yep.

The costs are now sunk costs.
The investment in a large nuclear facility will not produce a profit

Tell that to the french and japanese. Dont be TOO surprised when they just laugh in your face.

whereas it may well be that an investment in a thorium
plant will do so with a greater certainty. That is obviously
not the case at present for thorium. But it would not take
much public funding to make it the case.

Easy to claim. Have fun actually substantiating that claim.

:: ( Of course, in real life, it's an extraordinarily silly and stupid
:: method, even if the space infrastructure existed to do it. )

: "Rod Speed"
: No it isnt.

You'd spend 30 kps delta-v just to drop something on the sun that would be
perfectly safe to dispose of with less than 10kps delta-v? Or, for that
matter, none?

Pfft. Sure. Go ahead. It's your money to throw down a rat-hole.


Wayne Throop http://sheol.org/throopw

"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" wrote:
hanson wrote:
"Sir Frederick" wrote:

"Sir Frederick"
A classical science fiction method of getting rid of
radioactive waste [1] has been to dump it into the sun.

hanson wrote:
.... but wouldn't the solar radiation bake, vaporize
and ionize such incoming loads [1]... and wouldn't the
solar wind blow that gossamer stuff then right back
into the direction it came from?
... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

"Sir Frederick" wrote:
I have no idea.... ahahahaha... ahahamartin

Dirk wrote:
Worse yet, it could contaminate the sun with radiation.
You irresponsible fool!

hanson wrote:
Martin, [1] becomes a plasma long, long before it hits
the sun's corona or any of the sun's atmospheric layers
So, now you know.... ahahahaha... And don't plagiarize...
In your case the analog is: fafafafa... fafafafartin Martin.

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Rod Speed wrote:
Wayne Throop wrote:
Sir Frederick wrote

A classical science fiction method of getting rid of
radioactive waste has been to dump it into the sun.

Really? In which classical SF works is this method used?

( Of course, in real life, it's an extraordinarily silly and stupid
method, even if the space infrastructure existed to do it. )

No it isnt.

Right now, what Americans call "spent nuclear fuel" could be sold to
countries that aren't afraid to use plutonium as "plutonium ore".
Or we could extract the plutonium (and U235) from spent fuel ourselves,
but that would require that we quit being evil and stupid.

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Paul Ciszek wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Wayne Throop wrote
Sir Frederick wrote

A classical science fiction method of getting rid of
radioactive waste has been to dump it into the sun.

Really? In which classical SF works is this method used?

( Of course, in real life, it's an extraordinarily silly and stupid
method, even if the space infrastructure existed to do it. )

No it isnt.

Right now, what Americans call "spent nuclear fuel" could be sold to
countries that aren't afraid to use plutonium as "plutonium ore".

It makes more sense for them to use new uranium etc.

Or we could extract the plutonium (and U235) from spent fuel ourselves,

It makes more sense to design the fission system so
that the fuel never becomes 'spent' with breeders etc.

but that would require that we quit being evil and stupid.

Wayne Throop wrote:
Rod Speed wrote
Wayne Throop wrote:
Sir Frederick wrote

A classical science fiction method of getting rid of
radioactive waste has been to dump it into the sun.

( Of course, in real life, it's an extraordinarily silly and stupid
method, even if the space infrastructure existed to do it. )

No it isnt.

You'd spend 30 kps delta-v just to drop something on the sun that
would be perfectly safe to dispose of with less than 10kps delta-v?

It does get rid of any argument the anti nuke fools
would have about disposing of the used fuel rods.

Or, for that matter, none?

Pfft. Sure. Go ahead. It's your money to throw down a rat-hole.

Peanuts in the total cost of the nuke.