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On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:28:36 -0800, spud wrote:
So it's time to tell me I'm uneducated, unread, unshaven, my intellect can't possibly compare with your's and I spelled something wrong. You said it, not me. All I'll say is that you are wasting bandwidth on a science forum, someplace you have no business posting. _________________________________________________ Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com |
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"David Staup" wrote in message ... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20091120...091120issues01 as has been clear to a casual HONEST observer global warming is junk science and fraud perpetuated by certain people for thier own profit and advocated by others who know nothing of the truth and human nature. what say you now? Of the hundreds of journals discussing Global Warming, Climate Change and the like, not one predicted, or even hinted at, the global economic meltdown. Not one! Obviously they are not to be taken seriously. |
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Sam:
I have a great deal of respect for you and your method of discussion. I have read each of these when you posted them in an earlier discussion. I do not disregard the assurtions. I am not saying AGW is not true, but neither am I a BELIEVER. I viciously object to scientists prostituting themselves and there staff for muliti-million dollar grants and promise of hitchiking fame on the coattails on the likeness of the high priest AlGore. The money granted to gov't agencies, universities and think-tanks to apparently promote an AGW is billions. There is a vested interest in this agenda! Here's an example. Several years ago I read NASA press releases that indicated measured warming on Neptune, Uranus, Mars and even Pluto. Most long term readers of saa remember this. I simply cannot find them online anywhere, any-search anyway anymore. They have evaporated into the ether. Why is that? Additionally I have had many enviro' truly friends in my professional lifetime. I have had fine professional people to my home for dinner, wine and converstaion. Many have flatfooted, eye to eye lied to me about research, about models, about conclusions, about objecives. Enviromentalism is a multibillion dollar international industry. It is no different than Phillip Morris. Yes, I mean it. They will do what they have to to keep the money flowing and chicken little crisis is the easiest way to generate millions. It's all about the money. I remain skeptical, like my science profs taught me to be. Steve Oregon On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:33:18 GMT, Sam Wormley wrote: spud wrote: On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:45:57 -0700, Chris L Peterson wrote: On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:58:30 -0800, spud wrote: No warming for the next 10 years: I expect you'll be proven quite wrong. The evidence to the contrary is pretty overwhelming. Arguing with those who don't believe we are currently experiencing a long term global warming trend, largely human produced, is like arguing with Oriel. Pointless, because they selectively filter the evidence to support their ideology. _________________________________________________ Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com Oh briillant one... So you willingly disregard the same gov't priests that are paid to promote global warming if they don't write what you believe. That's damn convenient. No requirement to be objective if you are a true believer, eh? But I'm not a CalTech alum and indoctrinated in uh, the believers group think scientific methods. You know, fitting data to comply with the agenda (er, uh theory?), and actually conspiring to stifle opposing models. http://features.csmonitor.com/enviro...t-in-a-teapot/ So it's time to tell me I'm uneducated, unread, unshaven, my intellect can't possibly compare with your's and I spelled something wrong. You know, your usual cowardly retort. Steve Oregon Hey Steve, You'll just love these! See: http://www.hfranzen.org/Global_Warming.pdf Recent changes in a remote Arctic lake are unique within the past 200,000 years http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/10/16/0907094106 Yarrow Axforda,1, Jason P. Brinerb, Colin A. Cookec, Donna R. Francisd, Neal Micheluttie, Gifford H. Millera,f, John P. Smole, Elizabeth K. Thomasb, Cheryl R. Wilsone and Alexander P. Wolfec Abstract The Arctic is currently undergoing dramatic environmental transformations, but it remains largely unknown how these changes compare with long-term natural variability. Here we present a lake sediment sequence from the Canadian Arctic that records warm periods of the past 200,000 years, including the 20th century. This record provides a perspective on recent changes in the Arctic and predates by approximately 80,000 years the oldest stratigraphically intact ice core recovered from the Greenland Ice Sheet. The early Holocene and the warmest part of the Last Interglacial (Marine Isotope Stage or MIS 5e) were the only periods of the past 200,000 years with summer temperatures comparable to or exceeding today's at this site. Paleoecological and geochemical data indicate that the past three interglacial periods were characterized by similar trajectories in temperature, lake biology, and lakewater pH, all of which tracked orbitally-driven solar insolation. In recent decades, however, the study site has deviated from this recurring natural pattern and has entered an environmental regime that is unique within the past 200 millennia. Arctic Sediments Show That 20th Century Warming Is Unlike Natural Variation http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1023163513.htm "There are periods of time reflected in this sediment core that demonstrate that the climate was as warm as today," said Briner, "but that was due to natural causes, having to do with well-understood patterns of the Earth's orbit around the sun. The whole ecosystem has now shifted and the ecosystem we see during just the last few decades is different from those seen during any of the past warm intervals." APS rejects plea to alter stance on climate change http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/40916 The American Physical Society (APS) has "overwhelmingly rejected" a proposal from a group of 160 physicists to alter its official position on climate change. The physicists, who include the Nobel laureate Ivar Giaver, wanted the APS to modify its stance to reflect their own doubts about the human contribution to global warming. The APS turned down the request on the recommendations of a six-person committee chaired by atomic physicist Daniel Kleppner from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. The committee was set up by APS president Cherry Murray in July, when the society received the proposal for changing its statement, which had originally been drawn up in November 2007. It has spent the last four months carrying out what the APS calls "a serious review of existing compilations of scientific research" and took soundings from its members. "We recommended not accepting the proposal," Kleppner told physicsworld.com. "The [APS] council almost unanimously decided to go with that." Different positions The official APS position on climate change says that "emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate" and adds that there is "incontrovertible" evidence that global warming is occurring. The APS also wants reductions in greenhouse-gas emissions to start immediately. "If no mitigating actions are taken," it says, "significant disruptions in the Earth's physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur." More, see: http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/40916 |
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:39:15 -0700, Chris L Peterson
wrote: On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:28:36 -0800, spud wrote: So it's time to tell me I'm uneducated, unread, unshaven, my intellect can't possibly compare with your's and I spelled something wrong. You said it, not me. All I'll say is that you are wasting bandwidth on a science forum, someplace you have no business posting. _______________________________________________ __ Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com Did you work on the Mars Climate Orbiter by chance? Steve Oregon |
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:39:15 -0700, Chris L Peterson
wrote: On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:28:36 -0800, spud wrote: So it's time to tell me I'm uneducated, unread, unshaven, my intellect can't possibly compare with your's and I spelled something wrong. You said it, not me. All I'll say is that you are wasting bandwidth on a science forum, someplace you have no business posting. _______________________________________________ __ Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com I also said it was a cowardly retort. Which you proved yet again. Steve Oregon |
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"spud" wrote in message ... Sam: I have a great deal of respect for you and your method of discussion. I have read each of these when you posted them in an earlier discussion. I do not disregard the assurtions. I am not saying AGW is not true, but neither am I a BELIEVER. I viciously object to scientists prostituting themselves and there staff for muliti-million dollar grants and promise of hitchiking fame on the coattails on the likeness of the high priest AlGore. The money granted to gov't agencies, universities and think-tanks to apparently promote an AGW is billions. There is a vested interest in this agenda! Here's an example. Several years ago I read NASA press releases that indicated measured warming on Neptune, Uranus, Mars and even Pluto. Most long term readers of saa remember this. I simply cannot find them online anywhere, any-search anyway anymore. They have evaporated into the ether. Why is that? Additionally I have had many enviro' truly friends in my professional lifetime. I have had fine professional people to my home for dinner, wine and converstaion. Many have flatfooted, eye to eye lied to me about research, about models, about conclusions, about objecives. Enviromentalism is a multibillion dollar international industry. It is no different than Phillip Morris. Yes, I mean it. They will do what they have to to keep the money flowing and chicken little crisis is the easiest way to generate millions. It's all about the money. I remain skeptical, like my science profs taught me to be. Steve Oregon So how come the cabal publishes data that doesn't neatly fit the agenda? In fact, the very data you cite here is produced by those you claim are untrustworthy! I am not claiming that science as it is practiced is totally pure, but dishonesty on the level you seem to accept as fact is, I think, for most folks simply incredible. Your statement that "It's all about the money." is not in the same ball park as your "I remain skeptical", and you are kidding yourself if you think that your hypothesis isn't right up there with the UFO stuff. Dennis |
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On Nov 22, 12:00*am, "David Staup" wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20091120...091120issues01 as has been clear to a casual HONEST observer global warming is junk science and fraud perpetuated by certain people for thier own profit and advocated by others who know nothing of the truth and human nature. what say you now? These guys here cannot explain the annual cyclical temperature variations which requires the understanding of only two dynamics and the specifics of each motion - the constant rotation of Earth allied with the specific orbital way the planet orbits the Sun.The old explanation which dumps everything on to variable 'tilt' no longer serves the purpose in an era that needs a clear distinction between global climate background and the hemispherical weather patterns that occur against the background and the two major components are overall distance from the Sun and the changing relationship between daily rotational and orbital dynamics. If astronomers existed,none of this particularly awful conclusion which turns carbon dioxide into a global temperature dial to the exclusion of all else would have happened |
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:21:55 -0500, "Dennis Woos"
wrote: So how come the cabal publishes data that doesn't neatly fit the agenda? In fact, the very data you cite here is produced by those you claim are untrustworthy! I am not claiming that science as it is practiced is totally pure, but dishonesty on the level you seem to accept as fact is, I think, for most folks simply incredible. Your statement that "It's all about the money." is not in the same ball park as your "I remain skeptical", and you are kidding yourself if you think that your hypothesis isn't right up there with the UFO stuff. Dennis Well, read the articles yourself Dennis, find THIER own explanation to the inconsistencies. Are the explaiantions science based or need for funding? It's reminds me of the stories we know of Tycho Brahe. Damn the data! Steve Oregon |
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On Nov 21, 3:00*pm, "David Staup" wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20091120...091120issues01 as has been clear to a casual HONEST observer global warming is junk science and fraud perpetuated by certain people for thier own profit and advocated by others who know nothing of the truth and human nature. what say you now? I would say this: Despite my not having run the numbers personally myself I find the lack of understanding how destructive the Human Race can be is disturbing. We seem to be on a course to wreck the only place we have to live, all for Quarterly Growth and Trade Balances in our favor, whomsoever anyone determines 'us' to be. Life is beautiful. But Power can corrupt and our own inherent Will to Survive needs a self check lest we get to the point of disaster. If we don't deal with ourselves, we'll get dealt with. I don't think anyone here on the planet wants to get 'dealt with'. Now, we can play Cain and Able while Rome Burns and rearrange those deck chairs as long as the band plays, but if you think things are bad now- well lets just keep on going the way we seem to be headed and see what happens. OK? berk |
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On 11/21/2009 10:39 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
[...] On USENET, I'm not seeing any credible arguments against global warming... and I'm not seeing any credible arguments against the warming being driven by CO2 liberated from the burning of fossil fuels and cement production. [...] You might want to expand your "view" to include the 1000s of known active under-sea and under-ice volcanos. These are being found in the eastern Pacific basic (over 1,600 just a short bit off the coast of Peru), under the North Pole, under the South Pole, under Greenland, and many, many other places by ESA's satellites and many countries' research vessels and submarines. One correspondent at the ESA wrote he was amazed to see volcanic fires through miles of clear ice at the South Pole in their sat's imagery. Think what happens to a pot of ice placed on a kitchen stove after the stove's burner is turned on -- it melts. And volcanos emit a LOT of CO2 (among other things). |
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