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Old August 17th 15, 02:39 PM posted to sci.astro
Pentcho Valev
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The Albert Einstein Institute http://www.einstein-online.info/spotlights/doppler teaches that, when the light source starts moving towards the stationary observer, the distance between subsequent pulses emitted by the source DECREASES:

http://www.einstein-online.info/imag...ler_static.gif (stationary source)

http://www.einstein-online.info/imag...ource_blue.gif (moving source)

In contrast, when the observer starts moving towards the stationary source, the distance between subsequent pulses emitted by the source REMAINS UNCHANGED:

http://www.einstein-online.info/imag...ler_static.gif (stationary observer)

http://www.einstein-online.info/imag...ector_blue.gif (moving observer)

Clearly the moving-observer scenario is fatal for Einstein's relativity - since the distance between subsequent pulses REMAINS UNCHANGED, the frequency measured by the observer shifts (Doppler shift) because the speed of the pulses relative to the observer shifts, in violation of Einstein's relativity.

Moreover, the moving-source picture and the moving-observer picture cannot be asymmetric. Since the moving observer cannot change the distance between subsequent pulses emitted by the source, Einsteinians will have to admit that neither can the moving source. That is, the distance between subsequent pulses emitted by the source REMAINS UNCHANGED IN BOTH SCENARIOS. Which of course means that Einstein's 1905 light postulate is false.

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Old August 18th 15, 08:58 AM posted to sci.astro
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The observer walks along the fence. Relative to him, the posts have speed c, and the frequency he measures is f=c/λ, where λ is the distance between the posts. Now the observer starts running along the fence and his speed increases by v. Relative to him, the speed of the posts shifts from c to

c' = c+v

This shift in the speed of the posts (relative to the observer) causes the frequency he measures to shift from f=c/λ to

f' = c'/λ = (c+v)/λ = f(1+v/c)

Scientists all over the world have always used, explicitly or implicitly, the equation

c' = c+v

when interpreting the Doppler effect (moving observer), thereby refuting (inadvertently) Einstein's relativity:

http://rockpile.phys.virginia.edu/mod04/mod34.pdf
"Now let's see what this does to the frequency of the light. We know that even without special relativity, observers moving at different velocities measure different frequencies. (This is the reason the pitch of an ambulance changes as it passes you it doesn't change if you're on the ambulance). This is called the Doppler shift, and for small relative velocity v it is easy to show that the frequency shifts from f to f(1+v/c) (it goes up heading toward you, down away from you). There are relativistic corrections, but these are negligible here."

http://www.hep.man.ac.uk/u/roger/PHY.../lecture18.pdf
"The Doppler effect - changes in frequencies when sources or observers are in motion - is familiar to anyone who has stood at the roadside and watched (and listened) to the cars go by. It applies to all types of wave, not just sound. (...) Moving Observer. Now suppose the source is fixed but the observer is moving towards the source, with speed v. In time t, ct/λ waves pass a fixed point. A moving point adds another vt/λ. So f'=(c+v)/λ."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg7O4rtlwEE
"Doppler effect - when an observer moves towards a stationary source. ...the velocity of the wave relative to the observer is faster than that when it is still."

http://physics.ucsd.edu/students/cou...cs2c/Waves.pdf
"Doppler effect (...) Let u be speed of source or observer (...) Doppler Shift: Moving Observer. Shift in frequency only, wavelength does not change. Speed observed = v+u (...) Observed frequency shift f'=f(1±u/v)"

http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teachin...ml/node41.html
"Thus, the moving observer sees a wave possessing the same wavelength (...) but a different frequency (...) to that seen by the stationary observer."

http://a-levelphysicstutor.com/wav-doppler.php
"vO is the velocity of an observer moving towards the source. This velocity is independent of the motion of the source. Hence, the velocity of waves relative to the observer is c + vO. (...) The motion of an observer does not alter the wavelength. The increase in frequency is a result of the observer encountering more wavelengths in a given time."

http://physics.bu.edu/~redner/211-sp...9_doppler.html
"Let's say you, the observer, now move toward the source with velocity vO. You encounter more waves per unit time than you did before. Relative to you, the waves travel at a higher speed: v'=v+vO. The frequency of the waves you detect is higher, and is given by: f'=v'/λ=(v+vO)/λ."

http://www.md.ucl.ac.be/didac/physiq.../doppler..html
"Effet Doppler: Lorsque l'observateur ou la source de l'onde se déplacent, la fréquence perçue est modifiée. (...) 1.observateur mobile (v), source fixe == modification de la célérité perçue: c' = c ± v == f' = c'/λ."

http://www.donbosco-tournai.be/expo-...fetDoppler.pdf
"La variation de la fréquence observée lorsqu'il y a mouvement relatif entre la source et l'observateur est appelée effet Doppler. (....) 6. Source immobile - Observateur en mouvement: La distance entre les crêtes, la longueur d'onde lambda ne change pas. Mais la vitesse des crêtes par rapport Ã* l'observateur change ! Lobservateur se rapproche de la source: f' = V'/λ = f(1+Vo/V). (...) L'effet Doppler peut se produire pour toutes les sortes d'ondes."

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Old August 19th 15, 09:20 AM posted to sci.astro
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The discussion of the Doppler effect in light (moving observer), even when taking into account relativistic effects, unavoidably leads to the conclusion that the speed of light (relative to the observer) varies with the speed of the observer, in violation of Einstein's relativity. Two examples:

1. Brian Greene derives the formula

Fobs = γ(c-v)/λ

where Fobs is the frequency measured by the moving observer, γ is the Lorentz factor, c is the speed of the light relative to the stationary source, v is the speed at which the observer moves away from the source, λ is the wavelength:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBuLTzj3CWA
"The Relativistic Doppler Effect - Video"

It is easy to see that the speed of the light waves relative to the moving observer is

c' = λ(Fobs) = γ(c-v),

in violation of Einstein's relativity.

2. In Roger Barlow's scenario, the observer moves TOWARDS the light source but the rest is as in Brian Greene's analysis:

http://www.hep.man.ac.uk/u/roger/PHY.../lecture18.pdf
Roger Barlow, Professor of Particle Physics: "The Doppler effect - changes in frequencies when sources or observers are in motion - is familiar to anyone who has stood at the roadside and watched (and listened) to the cars go by. It applies to all types of wave, not just sound. (...) Moving Observer. Now suppose the source is fixed but the observer is moving towards the source, with speed v. In time t, ct/λ waves pass a fixed point. A moving point adds another vt/λ. So f'=(c+v)/λ. (...) Relativistic Doppler Effect: These results depend on the absolute velocities of the source and observer, not just on the relative velocity of the two. That seems odd, but is allowable as sound waves are waves in a medium, and motion relative to the medium may legitimately matter. But for light (or EM radiation in general) there is no medium, and this must be wrong. This needs relativity. (...) If the source is regarded as fixed and the observer is moving, then the observer's clock runs slow. They will measure time intervals as being shorter than they are in the rest frame of the source, and so they will measure frequencies as being higher, again by a gamma factor: f'=γ(1+v/c)f..."

The frequency measured by the moving observer is

f' = γ(c+v)/λ

and the speed of the light waves relative to the moving observer is

c' = λf' = γ(c+v),

in violation of Einstein's relativity.

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