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Moon was produced by head-on collision?
In sci.physics Steve Willner wrote:
In article , R Kym Horsell writes: Comparing times of new moon versus full moon shows a statistically relevant difference of in preciptation of a few percent. Can you cite a source? I confess to some skepticism, but if the effect is real, my first thought would be biology rather than physics. google "moon and precipitation" 52 mn hits Phase of the moon affects amount of rainfall - Phys.org phys.org # Astronomy & Space # Space Exploration 7 days ago - Satellite data over the tropics, between 10 degrees S and 10 degrees N, shows a slight dip in rainfall when the moon is directly overhead or ... Folklore Confirmed: The Moon's Phase Affects Rainfall ... http://www.sciencemag.org/.../folklo...fects-rainfall Oct 6, 2010 - Researchers find link between lunar cycles and precipitation. In the news Image for the news result Moon can affect rainfall, scientists discover | Science | News The Independent# - 2 days ago The Moon can affect how heavy the rain is, according to a new study that could help improve ... Moon Affects Rainfall, Says Study Based on NASA and Japanese Aerospace Data Nature World News# - 2 days ago Moon overhead makes rainfall lighter, scientists conclude Telegraph.co.uk# - 2 days ago More news for moon and precipitation Moon's tidal forces affect amount of rainfall on Earth | UW ... http://www.washington.edu/.../phases...t-of-rainfall/ Jan 29, 2016 - "As far as I know, this is the first study to convincingly connect the tidal force of the moon with rainfall," said corresponding author Tsubasa ... -- Europe wasn't a very hospitable place fifteen millennia ago. The westernmost landmass of the Eurasian continent had endured a long ice age, with glaciers stretching across northern Europe and into the region we now call Germany. But suddenly, about 14,500 years ago, things started to warm up quickly. The glaciers melted so fast around the globe that they caused sea levels to rise 52 feet in just 500 years. Meanwhile, the environment was in chaos, with wildlife trying vainly to adjust to the rapid fluctuations in temperature. Humans weren't immune to the changes, either. -- http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/...was-a-massive- population-crash-in-europe-over-14500-years-ago/ |
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Moon was produced by head-on collision?
On 05/02/2016 21:48, Steve Willner wrote:
In article , R Kym Horsell writes: Comparing times of new moon versus full moon shows a statistically relevant difference of in preciptation of a few percent. Can you cite a source? I confess to some skepticism, but if the effect is real, my first thought would be biology rather than physics. I am sceptical too but here is one source with references: http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/...ap10/moon.html There is a more recent climate related paper claiming a statistically significant temperature to lunar phase correlation in satellite data but not rainfall. http://science.sciencemag.org/conten.../1481.abstract It isn't totally implausible since the Earth will be very slightly closer to the sun at full moon. The effect is tiny ~20mK -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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Moon was produced by head-on collision?
On 2016-02-04, The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote: The Starmaker wrote: Steve Willner wrote: As I wrote earlier, I'm not an expert on this, and a quick web search didn't turn up anything definitive. The search did show that the isotope data have been disputed going back at least as far as 2012. It's also important to remember that there are other kinds of data including elemental composition of both bodies. In article , Yousuf Khan writes: Other ones that would still be viable are the Fission hypothesis, where the Moon was once a part of the Earth, but due to an imbalance it pinched itself off of the Earth. This would certainly maintain identical isotope levels between the Earth and Moon. If the early Earth was spinning fast enough to cause it to fission, how could it ever have formed in the first place? For this hypothesis to be viable, someone would have to produce a real calculation. Another one is the Condensation Hypothesis, which suggested that the Earth and Moon formed from the same section of the original solar system nebula. So basically the two worlds evolved together as a twin planet system. This would also pretty much maintain identical isotope levels. Also identical element composition, it would seem. Isn't the Moon much-depleted in iron? That's a natural consequence of the impact hypothesis but seems hard to explain if two bodies formed near each other. I don't think the full answer is known yet, but the impact hypothesis has a lot to like. It is possible that the moon had an impact with surrounding planets... that there was a collision between mars, earth, other planets...and the moon, but the moon is not a product of earth or any other planet. The impact of planets against other bodies was the result and design of triangle singularity and the big bang. The moon was just rolling along just like everybody else. Maybe you guys don't get it. Maybe I need to explain it in a different way....from a different angle or point of view. If you reverse the universe to the beginning... when it all comes to a point.. what shape is the point? round, square or triangle?? How about... have you heard the expression 'killing two birds with one stone'? Now, imagine every planet in the universe represents a bird... kill them all with one stone. In other words...you create a universe with one stone. Now, if you still don't get it... look for a stone then look for two birds. Now, try to kill both birds with one stone. What yous don't seem to understand... that the triangle singularity begining point was very precisely arranged in order of a triangle. If you get a bunch of people to stand motionless, together in the shape of a triangle... then tell them..everyone on the outside of the triangle to walk away from the triangle, so on with everyone else... i don't know..tell them to walk away for 3 minutes.. what you will have is people scattered everywhere. But it was ordered..and there will not be a triangle.. and everyone will be in it's place of 3 minutes. This is the origin of the universe. It's very simple. You certainly are. -- Bob Holtzman A man is a man who will fight with a sword or conquer Mt. Everest in snow. But the bravest of all owns a '34 Ford and tries for six thousand in low. |
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Moon was produced by head-on collision?
The Starmaker wrote:
Michael Moroney wrote: The Starmaker writes: Where would the water come from without our moon? Rain clouds? The moon is what makes it rain. The clouds are created by the moon. The way this works is the moon draws in the moisture from the trees up, and makes the clouds. Now that you understand that part.. do you understand how the moon makes the ocean? |
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The Starmaker writes:
The Starmaker wrote: The moon is what makes it rain. The clouds are created by the moon. The way this works is the moon draws in the moisture from the trees up, and makes the clouds. Babbling nonsense. Read up on the water cycle. Water drawn up in plants (by the sun as part of photosynthesis, not the moon) is a minor component of the water cycle. Now that you understand that part.. do you understand how the moon makes the ocean? False conclusion based on a false assumption. |
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Moon was produced by head-on collision?
On 2/5/16 3:48 PM, Steve Willner wrote:
In article , R Kym Horsell writes: Comparing times of new moon versus full moon shows a statistically relevant difference of in preciptation of a few percent. Can you cite a source? I confess to some skepticism, but if the effect is real, my first thought would be biology rather than physics. Lunar Phase Affects Rainfall http://www.reportingclimatescience.c...-rainfall.html Abstract Classical tidal theory predicts that the lunar gravitational semidiurnal tide (L2) should induce perturbations in relative humidity (RH). Adiabatic expansion in divergent flow in advance of the L2 pressure minimum cools the air and reduces its saturation vapor pressure, thereby increasing the rate of condensation in saturated air parcels and causing the relative humidity (RH) of unsaturated parcels to rise. Here we detect a statistically significant L2 signature in precipitation rate (P) in a 15 year, eight times daily, global precipitation data set acquired in the Tropical Rainfall Measuring Mission. Consistent with tidal theory and with the notion that L2 modulates P mainly by perturbing RH, P varies out of phase with pressure, and it increases at a rate of about 10% per 1% increase in RH. These measurements thus provide a measure of the sensitivity of P to planetary-scale changes in RH. Analysis of solar semidiurnal (S2) tidal statistics yields similar results. Citation Rainfall variations induced by the lunar gravitational atmospheric tide and their implications for the relationship between tropical rainfall and humidity by Tsubasa Kohyama John (Michael) Wallace published in Geophysical Research Letters, DOI: 10.1002/2015GL067342 Their new paper is the first to show that the moon’s gravitational tug also puts a slight damper on the rain. When the moon is overhead, its gravity causes Earth’s atmosphere to bulge toward it, so the pressure or weight of the atmosphere on that side of the planet goes up. Higher pressure increases the temperature of air parcels below. Since warmer air can hold more moisture, the same air parcels are now farther from their moisture capacity. -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues. |
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Michael Moroney wrote:
The Starmaker writes: The Starmaker wrote: The moon is what makes it rain. The clouds are created by the moon. The way this works is the moon draws in the moisture from the trees up, and makes the clouds. Babbling nonsense. Read up on the water cycle. Water drawn up in plants (by the sun as part of photosynthesis, not the moon) is a minor component of the water cycle. What is "a minor component of the water cycle."? Are you talking about the moon as being "a minor component of the water cycle."? The Moon moves the ocean. Is the ocean "a minor component of the water cycle."???? Now that you understand that part.. do you understand how the moon makes the ocean? False conclusion based on a false assumption. The Moon not only...'controls' the rain, the ocean...but other minor components of the water cycle. Like for example...the rainforest. Even the little drops of water on a single leaf. Do you know what the Moon does to a single drop of water on a single leaf??? Do you actually believe that the Moon and affect the whole ocean on earth, but not a drop of water on a leaf? You don't understand the mechanism of the moon.... do you understand how the moon makes the ocean?? |
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Moon was produced by head-on collision?
The Starmaker writes:
Michael Moroney wrote: Babbling nonsense. Read up on the water cycle. Water drawn up in plants (by the sun as part of photosynthesis, not the moon) is a minor component of the water cycle. What is "a minor component of the water cycle."? Are you talking about the moon as being "a minor component of the water cycle."? Can't you read? I said that plant transpiration of water (caused by the sun) is a minor component. The moon is irrelevant, the words "moon" and "tide" aren't even used in the Wikipedia article on the water cycle. The moon isn't mentioned in a long USGS web page explaining the water cycle, "tide" is only because they explain the water table and wells by using the example of digging a hole at the beach which fills with water from the ocean (and is affected by tides). The Moon moves the ocean. Is the ocean "a minor component of the water cycle."???? As a storage reservoir and a source of evaporation, the ocean is major. The effect of tides on these are minimal, how minimal others are arguing about in this thread. Now that you understand that part.. do you understand how the moon makes the ocean? It doesn't. It sloshes it around somewhat. False conclusion based on a false assumption. Do you know what the Moon does to a single drop of water on a single leaf??? I suppose it could raise a tide in it. Now I am wondering whether such a tide could even be measured or whether a poison dart frog hopping by would raise a larger tide in it. Do you actually believe that the Moon and affect the whole ocean on earth, but not a drop of water on a leaf? Right now I am not bored enough to calculate how many nanometers high a moon tide in a raindrop would be. Or a frog tide, either. You don't understand the mechanism of the moon.... do you understand how the moon makes the ocean?? Babbling nonsense. |
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Moon was produced by head-on collision?
Dear Michael Moroney:
On Saturday, February 6, 2016 at 6:28:38 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote: .... Babbling nonsense. The "jack in the box" keeps popping out, if you keep responding to it in the usual way. I am sure you know this, but he is artificially ignorant by choice. You may have boundless optimism that you can fix this condition, but he is consciously referencing biblical text, and picking and choosing which facts and observations support his position. If you manage to pull the rug entirely out from under him, he will be forced to fall back on literal interpretation of biblical works, since Science cannot save his soul. Your breath is wasted on his corpus. So if you enjoy watching the "jack in the box", keep on cranking... David A. Smith |
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Moon was produced by head-on collision?
Michael Moroney wrote:
The Starmaker writes: Michael Moroney wrote: Babbling nonsense. Read up on the water cycle. Water drawn up in plants (by the sun as part of photosynthesis, not the moon) is a minor component of the water cycle. What is "a minor component of the water cycle."? Are you talking about the moon as being "a minor component of the water cycle."? Can't you read? I said that plant transpiration of water (caused by the sun) is a minor component. The moon is irrelevant, the words "moon" and "tide" aren't even used in the Wikipedia article on the water cycle. The moon isn't mentioned in a long USGS web page explaining the water cycle, "tide" is only because they explain the water table and wells by using the example of digging a hole at the beach which fills with water from the ocean (and is affected by tides). I see, you getting your information from a 'anonymous user-edited website'. That means you don't know much... https://www.google.com/#q=moon+tides&tbm=nws Here’s how it works: The moon’s gravitational pull causes Earth’s atmosphere to bulge toward it, (on both sides of the earth) .. this 'gravitational pull' by the moon pulls a drop of water from the leaf unto the ground. From the ground the drops of water 'pulled by the moon’s gravitational pull' from the leaves, the billions of leaves...form ruiing water on the ground that turns to rivers...that eventually form and...ocean. In other words... the earth's moon makes the ocean. All from a single drop of water on a leaf. http://revelwallpapers.net/d/7532364...ps-on-leaf.jpg Where do you think fishes come from? From leaves that fall from trees. Do you want me to explain How that works? Don't expect to find this information on a 'anonymous user-edited website' like Wikipedia. Why waste your time...read about it here from this first cover issue of Science magazine: http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/The...nal-2-abcd.jpg |
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