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On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:31:29 -0600, in a place far, far away, "Paul F.
Dietz" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Doug Ellison wrote: Any tax $ spent on the space program in essence comes back to the country by paying for thousands of engineering and aerospace (and management scum) jobs Hiring people to dig holes and fill them in again does the same thing. What you are missing is that money is just a placeholder; the real wealth is resources, products, and services. Employing these people to do something of no value wastes their labor. Yup. These folks have apparently never taken a basic course in economics, or learned about this concept called "opportunity costs." -- simberg.interglobal.org * 310 372-7963 (CA) 307 739-1296 (Jackson Hole) interglobal space lines * 307 733-1715 (Fax) http://www.interglobal.org "Extraordinary launch vehicles require extraordinary markets..." Swap the first . and @ and throw out the ".trash" to email me. Here's my email address for autospammers: |
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Mars is not terra incognita. We have already explored it
Hardly scratched the surface. There, of course, remain many matters of deep scientific interest on Mars but these matters can be addressed ... by automated ... missions." Automation is for wimps. Real men go there themselves. Machines will do for now while we prepare to the real adventure. Besides, if people don't go there, why should Mars interest us? Tom |
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: Free enterprise has powered human endevour through the ages, it's
: about time the 'Planetary Society' displayed some American : capitalistic drive to reach it's goal. Getting donations isn't capitalistic? Why sure it is. There is a market for donations, just like for everything else. People like to donate their money to advance some cause. The Planetary Society must sell their cause just like a company must sell its product, both require advertising. Tom |
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Not to mention the byproducts like velcro, teflon, solar batteries,
calculators, computers, etc. Eric And the skills we'd be preserving. I don't think finding the lowest cost producer is the be all and end all of everything. Raw capitalism isn't very patriotic. We should think of our country's interests first, and the Wealthy's ability to enrich themselves at least second. What's good for "Richie Rich" isn't always the best for the USA. Capitalism has done us a good turn in making us a powerful contry, but we should keep our eyes open, and not subordinate our national interests to campaign contributors. Tom |
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Paul F. Dietz wrote:
Van Allen had the following to say (in 1986) about the Columbus analogy: [....] There, of course, remain many matters of deep scientific interest on Mars but these matters can be addressed ... by automated ... missions." His judgement that matters of interest can be addressed by automated missions flies in the face of the primary scientific motivations for a manned Mars mission today; Exobiology, looking for either subsurface life, or fossil evidence thereof, on the Martian surface. The scale of the problem of doing that fieldwork is now well argued to be something requiring something like a major manned program. Not absolutely requiring a manned program; the specific tasks and such are extremely difficult for automated missions, and to some degree we do not know if it is possible to do them in an automated fashion, much less 30 light minutes away in an automated fashion. It is possible that the state of the art of robotic exploration will advance significantly, but the tasks are clearly beyond what we know how to do remotely right now. And it's not like people haven't looked at doing them remotely... Note that we didn't really understand that question well in 1986, which is when he wrote that. -george william herbert |
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"Christopher" wrote ...
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:18:10 +0000 (UTC), (Eric Chomko) wrote: You free enterprise of space folks need a new schtick. If NASA got just 3% of the DOD budget (talk about a waste of US taxpayer funds), they could do a heck of a lot more. If NASA was free of political control they'd do a damn site more with what they have. Presumably that would be something like ... http://hades.nasa.com/ then. |
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On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:12:19 -0000, "Doug Ellison"
wrote: That should comfort American's who are worried their jobs may go to China that their tax dollars are paying to go to Mars. Any tax $ spent on the space program in essence comes back to the country by paying for thousands of engineering and aerospace (and management scum) jobs And what about all the lower ranking pen pushers and assorted bureaucrats involved with the space program? Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill |
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