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...The Greatest Weakness of America!
On Jul 17, 5:23 am, (Rand Simberg)
wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:27:57 -0400, in a place far, far away, "Jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: I've seen such panic situations with my own eyes several times, as i live in Miami. Trust me when I say when the day comes the world realizes the oil party is over, it'll all come crashing down ....overnight. Not a steady decline, but in a panic. Nonsense. "Peak oil" is a myth. We have huge reserves in shale and tar sands, which become economically viable at prices below the current ones. At $100+ per barrel, there's oil in most anything. At $1000/barrel we can make oil out of gems. Otherwise human bodies can be processed into oil. What's the BTU rating of a good Muslim, or via most anything other that's alive and kicking? - Brad Guth |
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On Jul 16, 7:27 pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
I'm stating the obvious when I claim it's our dependence on fossil fuels. Just tattoo MORON on your forehead. Left-tards and other government parasites are "The Greatest Weakness of America!" |
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:12:15 +0200, Peter Muehlbauer wrote:
If it's made from the cellulose, then it is ok. Better than composting that. I know from Paragauy, my future home, that there is added about 10% ethanol to the gasoline, that makes motors run very smoothly and extends the endurance. But even if i.e. Paraguay has very much of sugar cane, it is not enough to replace fossil fuel. Ethanol will always be an additive, but no replacement. I don't know much of the conditions in Brazil, or even Florida, where you live, but without selective cultivation it would not be enough either. 10% ethanol is common in many countries. Because of its lower calorific value you won't drive as far on a tank of 10% as you would on 100% motor spirit. It does however increase the octane rating so for some engines which are turbo charged and can sense knock and adjust charge pressure accordingly ethanol means more power. The ultimate renewable fuel is ****. Everybody ****s, production always tracks population size. What a magical fuel. |
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Peter Muehlbauer wrote:
"Rand Simberg" wrote On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:27:57 -0400, in a place far, far away, "Jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: I've seen such panic situations with my own eyes several times, as i live in Miami. Trust me when I say when the day comes the world realizes the oil party is over, it'll all come crashing down ....overnight. Not a steady decline, but in a panic. Nonsense. "Peak oil" is a myth. We have huge reserves in shale and tar sands, which become economically viable at prices below the current ones. Just an hour ago, there was a documentation on german TV about a farmer in Tennesee, who found oil on his land by flike. An oil company then was exploring his land and found lots of oil although there hasn't thought to be oil. They now convey about 4000 barrels a week from there. I think, the earth has still a lot of oil, it has only to be found. Was his name Jed Clampett? :-) Cheers, Rich |
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"Jonathan" wrote: I'm stating the obvious when I claim it's our dependence on fossil fuels. But what I think few understand is just how quickly the world oil market could collapse. Do you realize that OPEC bases its annual oil production quotas partially on the estimated reserves a member country claims? Which means a country can pump more oil each year if it claims larger reserves in the ground. I think you have a valid point here. These inflated estimates (a natural result of the quota rules) will indeed result is a harder crash than would otherwise occur. But think about that for a moment. Has anyone ever been in a city the moment it becomes clear a hurricane is going to hit? That city goes from a normally functioning well supplied operation to being completely wiped out of all cash, gas and food in .....THREE HOURS FLAT! The difference is that there are substitutes and alternate sources for oil; they're just more expensive. Things like oil shale, for example. So we won't be wiped out; we'll just be paying a lot more, and alternate sources of fuel will suddenly become economically viable. If America is not ready for that day, our country could become a ghost of its former self in the blink of an eye. I'd say it's already a ghost of its former self. For all we know, such an in-your-face crisis would actually galvanize our country to new levels of achievement. It's happened before (e.g. WWII), and maybe it could happen again. Call me an optimist. Did you know George Bush cancelled an ambitious NASA Space Solar Power program, which could ultimately lead to the US becoming the energy "King" of the future? And replaced that program with another moon shot? He did?!? A moon shot?!? Who knew? I'm being a little facetious, but then, you're being a little silly. There was never an ambitious Space Solar Power program, and the VSE does not replace it. If anything, VSE replaced the business-as-usual lack of any plan at all, consisting entirely of LEO operations. It also removed the Moon Taboo which has been holding back progress in space development for decades. And by the way, if you're serious about large-scale SSP, then you should know that lunar resources are an absolute requirement for it to ever be practical. Maybe you should stop railing against the progress that's finally being made in that direction. More ...moon rocks... instead of ensuring our future? Grow up. During the next Presidential election, we need to demand the wasteful return to the moon be 'aborted' and this program below be ....reinstated. Nonsense. Your lack of vision and desire to circumvent your own stated goals are astounding. This is the path to replacing fossil fuels for the long term. I doubt it. It's a reasonable option worth exploring, but I now suspect that polywell fusion could be developed far faster and more cheaply than even the first full-scale SSP plant could be brought online. http://www.strout.net/info/science/polywell/ Clearly, there's more than one possible way to crack the energy nut, and each one needs to be evaluated and funded in a sensible manner. For example, the next stage of polywell development will take about $5M; this will reproduce and extend the very promising results of the last WB-6 experiment, and should be enough to either prove the concept to the doubters, or prove the doubters right. (Of course there will always be a few holdouts no matter what the results.) If it's true, then we could all be enjoying abundant, clean energy ten years and a few $100M later -- money that wouldn't need to come from the government because private investors would be tripping over each other to offer the best deal. Compare this to the $88M funding request for 2002, which would have produced... what? More paper studies, I imagine. The cost/benefit ratio isn't even in the same ballpark. Not that we shouldn't fund some SSP work too, in case other things don't work out. But we have to look at the big picture, and consider all the options. BTW, if your ulterior motive for wanting SSP is that it would result in robust space development -- a very sensible ulterior motive, BTW -- then don't worry, because if polywell fusion works, it will open up the entire solar system. You could go from the ground to the Moon in hours; to Mars in days; to anywhere in the solar system in weeks. And oh yes, you could probably build powersats for a fraction of the cost required by chemical rockets. But then, if your goal was to develop space, you wouldn't be trying to sabotage the lunar program. Let's make America the next energy "Saudi Arabia". OK, good idea. But I'm no longer convinced that SSP is the way to do that. Best, - Joe -- "Polywell" fusion -- an approach to nuclear fusion that might actually work. Learn more and discuss via: http://www.strout.net/info/science/polywell/ |
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"Peter Muehlbauer" wrote: and ordinary field weeds are better sources of ethanol than corn. I see no reason why not burning fossil fuel, instead of burning food. Because fossil fuels, by their very nature, release carbon that was gathered over millions of years, and has been sequestered underground for millions of years. Biofuels release carbon that was just captured from the air last season; they're carbon-neutral. I doubt ethanol will ever turn out to be very useful as a fuel, though; DMF is more likely. Researchers recently found a new catalytic process that makes DMF production much more practical than it was before. See, for example, http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070620154945.htm. Best, - Joe -- "Polywell" fusion -- an approach to nuclear fusion that might actually work. Learn more and discuss via: http://www.strout.net/info/science/polywell/ |
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"Rich" wrote in message
. .. Peter Muehlbauer wrote: "Rand Simberg" wrote On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:27:57 -0400, in a place far, far away, "Jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: I've seen such panic situations with my own eyes several times, as i live in Miami. Trust me when I say when the day comes the world realizes the oil party is over, it'll all come crashing down ....overnight. Not a steady decline, but in a panic. Nonsense. "Peak oil" is a myth. We have huge reserves in shale and tar sands, which become economically viable at prices below the current ones. Just an hour ago, there was a documentation on german TV about a farmer in Tennesee, who found oil on his land by flike. An oil company then was exploring his land and found lots of oil although there hasn't thought to be oil. They now convey about 4000 barrels a week from there. I think, the earth has still a lot of oil, it has only to be found. Was his name Jed Clampett? :-) Exactly my thought: someone has been re-running the Beverly Hillbillies. -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) |
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"Rich" wrote Peter Muehlbauer wrote: "Rand Simberg" wrote On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:27:57 -0400, in a place far, far away, "Jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: I've seen such panic situations with my own eyes several times, as i live in Miami. Trust me when I say when the day comes the world realizes the oil party is over, it'll all come crashing down ....overnight. Not a steady decline, but in a panic. Nonsense. "Peak oil" is a myth. We have huge reserves in shale and tar sands, which become economically viable at prices below the current ones. Just an hour ago, there was a documentation on german TV about a farmer in Tennesee, who found oil on his land by flike. An oil company then was exploring his land and found lots of oil although there hasn't thought to be oil. They now convey about 4000 barrels a week from there. I think, the earth has still a lot of oil, it has only to be found. Was his name Jed Clampett? :-) No, it was real. No Hillbilly ;-) |
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"Andrew Chaplin" wrote "Rich" wrote in message . .. Peter Muehlbauer wrote: "Rand Simberg" wrote On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:27:57 -0400, in a place far, far away, "Jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: I've seen such panic situations with my own eyes several times, as i live in Miami. Trust me when I say when the day comes the world realizes the oil party is over, it'll all come crashing down ....overnight. Not a steady decline, but in a panic. Nonsense. "Peak oil" is a myth. We have huge reserves in shale and tar sands, which become economically viable at prices below the current ones. Just an hour ago, there was a documentation on german TV about a farmer in Tennesee, who found oil on his land by flike. An oil company then was exploring his land and found lots of oil although there hasn't thought to be oil. They now convey about 4000 barrels a week from there. I think, the earth has still a lot of oil, it has only to be found. Was his name Jed Clampett? :-) Exactly my thought: someone has been re-running the Beverly Hillbillies. That was a documentation, no soap. |
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