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Old February 6th 13, 02:49 PM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics,sci.astro,misc.education.science,alt.journalism
Brad Guth[_3_]
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An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell
thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of
2.666e44 m3

It really doesn’t take all that much math in order to establish that a
EH thin shell comprised of 1g/cm3 density would amount to 2.666e47 kg,
giving a surface escape velocity demand of 8.674e7 km/sec or 289 times
faster than the speed of light, and that’s if the entire internal
volume of this EH sphere were absolutely devoid of any other mass. If
this same thin EH shell was instead comprised of a superfluid of solid
helium at .214 g/cm3 would still easily provide more than sufficient
mass of 5.7e43 kg, so that its escape velocity of 4.01e7 km/sec at the
EH surface of solid helium is offering 134 times greater than the
speed of light.

So, where’s the need of any solid BH body of mass?

Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist?

http://www.1728.org/diam.htm

http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/as...scape_velocity

Of course once inside of this extremely thin EH shell is going to
represent zero gravity regardless of the EH shell density and its
mass, offering a light year diameter sphere of containing whatever.

Changing the EH shell diameter and its thickness to suit whatever you
like, and run the math through these same online calculators in order
to test out your ideas as to what a hollow BH could have to offer.
Filling this hollow BH with weird aether or whatever else you can
think of, as such will only add to the escape velocity, such as
including an enormous solar system of 2e31 kg is literally adding a
mere drop to this enormous bucket of mass.
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Old February 6th 13, 03:18 PM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics,sci.astro,misc.education.science,alt.journalism
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"Brad Guth" wrote in message
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An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell
thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of
2.666e44 m3

It really doesn’t take all that much math in order to establish that a
EH thin shell comprised of 1g/cm3 density would amount to 2.666e47 kg,
giving a surface escape velocity demand of 8.674e7 km/sec or 289 times
faster than the speed of light, and that’s if the entire internal
volume of this EH sphere were absolutely devoid of any other mass. If
this same thin EH shell was instead comprised of a superfluid of solid
helium at .214 g/cm3 would still easily provide more than sufficient
mass of 5.7e43 kg, so that its escape velocity of 4.01e7 km/sec at the
EH surface of solid helium is offering 134 times greater than the
speed of light.

So, where’s the need of any solid BH body of mass?

Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist?


because "We" are not in charge.....idiot


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Old February 6th 13, 03:19 PM posted to sci.astro
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Dear Brad Guth:

On Wednesday, February 6, 2013 6:49:12 AM UTC-7, Brad Guth wrote:
....
An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and
having a shell thickness of


Nothing finite can stop infalling matter, at the event horizon. Within the event horizon, is not truly part of this Universe any longer.

David A. Smith
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Old February 6th 13, 03:27 PM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics,sci.astro,misc.education.science,alt.journalism
Brad Guth[_3_]
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Default How solid or hollow is a BH(black hole)?

An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell
thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of
2.666e44 m3

It really doesn’t take all that much math in order to establish that a
EH thin shell comprised of 1g/cm3 density would amount to 2.666e47 kg,
giving a surface escape velocity demand of 8.674e7 km/sec or 289 times
faster than the speed of light, and that’s if the entire internal
volume of this EH sphere were absolutely devoid of any other mass. If
this same thin EH shell was instead comprised of a superfluid of solid
helium at .214 g/cm3 would still easily provide more than sufficient
mass of 5.7e46 kg, so that its escape velocity of 4.01e7 km/sec at the
EH surface of solid helium is offering 134 times greater than the
speed of light.

So, where’s the need of any solid BH body of mass?

Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist?

http://www.1728.org/diam.htm

http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/as...scape_velocity

Of course once inside of this extremely thin EH shell is going to
represent zero gravity regardless of the EH shell density and its
mass, offering a light year diameter sphere of containing whatever.

Changing the EH shell diameter and its thickness to suit whatever you
like, and run the math through these same online calculators in order
to test out your ideas as to what a hollow BH or EH could have to
offer. Filling this hollow BH or EH with weird aether or whatever
else you can think of, as such will only add to the escape velocity,
such as including an enormous solar system of 2e31 kg is literally
adding a mere drop to this enormous bucket of mass, and the same goes
for packing our EH hollow sphere with aether worth 2e33 kg is still
insignificant.

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Old February 6th 13, 03:28 PM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics,sci.astro,misc.education.science,alt.journalism
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On Feb 6, 9:18*am, "David Staup" wrote:
"Brad Guth" wrote in message

...
An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell
thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of
2.666e44 m3

It really doesn t take all that much math in order to establish that a
EH thin shell comprised of 1g/cm3 density would amount to 2.666e47 kg,
giving a surface escape velocity demand of 8.674e7 km/sec or 289 times
faster than the speed of light, and that s if the entire internal
volume of this EH sphere were absolutely devoid of any other mass. *If
this same thin EH shell was instead comprised of a superfluid of solid
helium at .214 g/cm3 would still easily provide more than sufficient
mass of 5.7e43 kg, so that its escape velocity of 4.01e7 km/sec at the
EH surface of solid helium is offering 134 times greater than the
speed of light.

So, where s the need of any solid BH body of mass?

Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist?

because "We" are not in charge.....idiot


If more solid means less space between particles a black hole is a
super-solid. My "critical mass density theory" has to how this is
reality TreBert
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Old February 6th 13, 03:30 PM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics,sci.astro,misc.education.science,alt.journalism
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On Feb 6, 6:18*am, "David Staup" wrote:
"Brad Guth" wrote in message

Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist?

because "We" are not in charge.....idiot


Who is "We"?

Naturally if you consider us independent outsiders as "We", then you
are 100% correct by stipulating that "We" are not in charge.

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Old February 6th 13, 03:35 PM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics,sci.astro,misc.education.science,alt.journalism
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On Feb 6, 6:28*am, "G=EMC^2" wrote:
On Feb 6, 9:18*am, "David Staup" wrote:









"Brad Guth" wrote in message


So, where's the need of any solid BH body of mass?


Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist?


because "We" are not in charge.....idiot


If more solid means less space between particles a black hole is a
super-solid. *My "critical mass density theory" has to how this is
reality *TreBert


But only the EH has to be packed solid, such as a solid form of helium
represented by .214 g/cm3, and thereby leaving its innards quite
hollow.
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Old February 6th 13, 05:41 PM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics,sci.astro,misc.education.science,alt.journalism
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On Feb 6, 9:35*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Feb 6, 6:28*am, "G=EMC^2" wrote:









On Feb 6, 9:18*am, "David Staup" wrote:


"Brad Guth" wrote in message


So, where's the need of any solid BH body of mass?


Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist?


because "We" are not in charge.....idiot


If more solid means less space between particles a black hole is a
super-solid. *My "critical mass density theory" has to how this is
reality *TreBert


But only the EH has to be packed solid, such as a solid form of helium
represented by .214 g/cm3, and thereby leaving its innards quite
hollow.


Any idea that the ratio of dark to luminous matter might have anything
to do with whether the galaxy is young (i.e. emission of bipolar
cosmic jets), or older, more super-massive Abell type galaxy?

Here's a chart showing the dark matter distribution, which "peaks" in
dark matter for clustered galaxies, at an observed Hubble shift of
around v = 0.75:

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/3239/darkmatter.jpg

Perhaps the age of the galaxy on both sides of the hump, is an
indicator of Hawking radiation (intense gravitational field causes
particle/antiparticle creation, allowing one particle to escape, and
the other to fall into the black hole - the escaped particle
annhilates with an escaping anti-particle (Hawking radiation)), i.e.
which is practically non-existent for large galaxies, or medium
galaxies beyond their 'dark matter' prime.
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Old February 6th 13, 08:36 PM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics,sci.astro,misc.education.science,alt.journalism
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An event horizon is not a thing. It is not composed of anything. It
is a locus of points. You cannot make an event horizon detector
because there is nothing to detect.
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Old February 6th 13, 08:45 PM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics,sci.astro,misc.education.science,alt.journalism
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"Paul Cardinale" wrote in message
...

An event horizon is not a thing. It is not composed of anything. It
is a locus of points. You cannot make an event horizon detector
because there is nothing to detect.
================================================== =====
Energy is not a thing. It is not composed of anything. It
is a focus of temperature. You cannot make an energy detector
because there is nothing to detect.
Oops! yes you can.

A Crapinale is a thing. It is composed of something. It
is an idiot. You can make a Crapinale detector because
it babbles nonsense about nonsense.

 




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