global warming trend continues

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0115190218.htm

2012 Sustained Long-Term Climate Warming Trend, NASA Finds
Jan. 15, 2013 — NASA scientists say 2012 was the ninth warmest of any year
since 1880, continuing a long-term trend of rising global temperatures.
With the exception of 1998, the nine warmest years in the 132-year record
all have occurred since 2000, with 2010 and 2005 ranking as the hottest
years on record.

On Jan 16, 7:10*pm, Mike Collins wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0115190218.htm

2012 Sustained Long-Term Climate Warming Trend, NASA Finds
Jan. 15, 2013 — NASA scientists say 2012 was the ninth warmest of any year
since 1880, continuing a long-term trend of rising global temperatures.
With the exception of 1998, the nine warmest years in the 132-year record
all have occurred since 2000, with 2010 and 2005 ranking as the hottest
years on record.

There has been no warming in the past decade.

On Jan 17, 12:10*am, Mike Collins wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0115190218.htm

2012 Sustained Long-Term Climate Warming Trend, NASA Finds
Jan. 15, 2013 — NASA scientists say 2012 was the ninth warmest of any year
since 1880, continuing a long-term trend of rising global temperatures.
With the exception of 1998, the nine warmest years in the 132-year record
all have occurred since 2000, with 2010 and 2005 ranking as the hottest
years on record.

This is really a cult phenomena due to the dominance of mathematical
modelers as it preys on genuine human concern for the planet while
having no respect or appreciation whatsoever for basic planetary
facts.People with a healthy and vibrant appreciation of the connection
between planetary cycles and terrestrial effects from the daily
effects to annual effects to longer term cycle would develop a more
practical approach to pollution without these ridiculous assertions
that are getting more and more desperate in tone.It sounds like a
bunch of people who predict that 3 AM is the darkest hour on record
without keeping an eye on the fact that it will become bright once
again in a few hours and considering that the same cult refuses to
accept that a 24 hour AM/PM cycle keeps in step with one rotation,this
is less an analogy than a really,really dismal fact.

I do not know what the big deal is - a planet with zero inclination,
where the daily rotational axis aligns with the ecliptic axis, will
experience equatorial conditions rather than the older 'no tilt/no
seasons' perspective while a planet with a 90 degree inclination
reflects a polar climate.The newness of this planetary climate
spectrum is all the more reason to stop and consider what the main
components are by using planetary comparisons or by direct
observations that explain why we have the seasons.

Grow up for goodness sake,what the world is seeing is an empirical
game like those simulated games kids play.

On 1/16/13 7:54 PM, RichA wrote:
On Jan 16, 7:10 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0115190218.htm

2012 Sustained Long-Term Climate Warming Trend, NASA Finds
Jan. 15, 2013 — NASA scientists say 2012 was the ninth warmest of any year
since 1880, continuing a long-term trend of rising global temperatures.
With the exception of 1998, the nine warmest years in the 132-year record
all have occurred since 2000, with 2010 and 2005 ranking as the hottest
years on record.

There has been no warming in the past decade.



Looks like warming to me.
http://edu-observatory.org/olli/Climate/FR11_All.gif

Looks like warming to me.
http://edu-observatory.org/olli/Clim...svRealists.gif

Looks like warming to me.

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpre...ng?w=578&h=396

Looks like warming to me.
http://images.sciencedaily.com/2011/...4716-large.jpg

On 1/16/13 9:49 PM, oriel36 wrote:
This is really a cult phenomena due to the dominance of mathematical
modelers as it preys on genuine human concern for the planet while
having no respect or appreciation whatsoever for basic planetary
facts.

American Physical Society Climate Policy Statement
http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm

(Adopted by Council on November 18, 2007)
"Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing
the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate. Greenhouse
gases include carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and
other gases. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range
of industrial and agricultural processes".

"The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring".

"If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the
Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and
human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of
greenhouse gases beginning now".

"Because the complexity of the climate makes accurate prediction
difficult, the APS urges an enhanced effort to understand the effects
of human activity on the Earth’s climate, and to provide the
technological options for meeting the climate challenge in the near
and longer terms. The APS also urges governments, universities,
national laboratories and its membership to support policies and
actions that will reduce the emission of greenhouse gases".

Climate Change Commentary
(adopted by Council on April 18, 2010)

"There is a substantial body of peer reviewed scientific research to
support the technical aspects of the 2007 APS statement. The purpose
of the following commentary is to provide clarification and
additional details".

"oriel36" wrote in message
...

On Jan 17, 12:10 am, Mike Collins wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0115190218.htm

2012 Sustained Long-Term Climate Warming Trend, NASA Finds
Jan. 15, 2013 — NASA scientists say 2012 was the ninth warmest of any year
since 1880, continuing a long-term trend of rising global temperatures.
With the exception of 1998, the nine warmest years in the 132-year record
all have occurred since 2000, with 2010 and 2005 ranking as the hottest
years on record.

This is really a cult phenomena due to the dominance of mathematical
modelers as it preys on genuine human concern for the planet while
having no respect or appreciation whatsoever for basic planetary
facts.People with a healthy and vibrant appreciation of the connection
between planetary cycles and terrestrial effects from the daily
effects to annual effects to longer term cycle would develop a more
practical approach to pollution without these ridiculous assertions
that are getting more and more desperate in tone.It sounds like a
bunch of people who predict that 3 AM is the darkest hour on record
without keeping an eye on the fact that it will become bright once
again in a few hours and considering that the same cult refuses to
accept that a 24 hour AM/PM cycle keeps in step with one rotation,this
is less an analogy than a really,really dismal fact.

I do not know what the big deal is - a planet with zero inclination,
where the daily rotational axis aligns with the ecliptic axis, will
experience equatorial conditions rather than the older 'no tilt/no
seasons' perspective while a planet with a 90 degree inclination
reflects a polar climate.The newness of this planetary climate
spectrum is all the more reason to stop and consider what the main
components are by using planetary comparisons or by direct
observations that explain why we have the seasons.

Grow up for goodness sake,what the world is seeing is an empirical
game like those simulated games kids play.
====================================
Yes, ok, lunatic, we are all agreed the Earth turns the same face toward
the sun every 24 hours.
The big deal is it turns the same face toward Sirius every 23 hours and 56
minutes.
Now you've been told what the big deal is, so shut the **** up.

-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway.
When I get my O.B.E. I'll be an earlobe.

On Jan 17, 4:28*am, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 1/16/13 9:49 PM, oriel36 wrote:

This is really a cult phenomena due to the dominance of mathematical
modelers as it preys on genuine human concern for the planet while
having no respect or appreciation whatsoever for basic planetary
facts.

* *American Physical Society Climate Policy Statement
*http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm

* *"The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring".


The reason most people feel uncomfortable with the doom and gloom
brigade is that most students and adults have a fascination with ice
ages which come and go and the effects of ice sheet weather even if
the causes are unknown and nobody actually feels a desperate need to
find a mechanism as to why the planet goes through these periods.Even
within these larger swings there are smaller swings,I have known them
myself within my own lifetime and so has everyone else with the idea
that these things have always happened,for instance,the iceman found
in the glacier indicates that the planet got colder after he died and
now is getting warmer hence his emergence from the ice.If your
community with its fondness for dire predictions want to attach human
control over global temperatures to a warming process which was
occurring anyway then it is such a poor thing to do.

The wayward assertion is merely a symptom of a real problem,in this
case mathematical modeling,and that is what has to be addressed even
though presently there are few able to contend with this cult
phenomena that has its roots in a subversion of astronomy by
mechanical modelers a few centuries ago.These modelers simply change
their story to suit their needs and while among your community it may
appear a significant advantage to give yourselves unlimited choices
where there is really no choice at all,everyone else suffers .

"At the time of the dinosaurs, Earth completed one rotation in about
23 hours," says MacMillan, who is a member of the VLBI team at NASA
Goddard. "In the year 1820, a rotation took exactly 24 hours, or
86,400 standard seconds. Since 1820, the mean solar day has increased
by about 2.5 milliseconds."

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsyst...ra-second.html

Knowing how fragile life on the planet's surface is and that the
disappearance of the dinosaurs may have been due to the onset of ice
sheet weather or some other event yet here we have the same guys
simply conjuring up an ad hoc assertion for 'leap second' purposes
and ignoring the impossibilities it generates notwithstanding that you
and everyone else have spent years with a stupid 'solar vs sidereal'
idea where the planet doesn't turn once in 24 hours.An intelligent
person would know almost immediately that the assertion above
interferes with research as to cyclical ice ages which rely on
dynamical conditions similar to what exists presently yet allows for
variations in orbital inputs,rotational inclination,space conditions
within the solar system,variations in the Sun's output and goodness
knows how many other different components.I am not the first to
comment on this form of aggressive modeling but I am the first to go
right to the core of the problem ,that is not a self-serving boast but
something I wish others would share with me and the few who realized
the dangers inherent in its practice -

"This assemblage of imperfect dogmas bequeathed by one age to another—
this physical philosophy, which is composed of popular prejudices,—is
not only injurious because it perpetuates error with the obstinacy
engendered by the evidence of ill observed facts, but also because it
hinders the mind from attaining to higher views of nature. Instead of
seeking to discover the mean or medium point, around which oscillate,
in apparent independence of forces, all the phenomena of the external
world, this system delights in multiplying exceptions to the law, and
seeks, amid phenomena and in organic forms, for something beyond the
marvel of a regular succession, and an internal and progressive
development. Ever inclined to believe that the order of nature is
disturbed, it refuses to recognise in the present any analogy with the
past, and guided by its own varying hypotheses, seeks at hazard,
either in the interior of the globe or in the regions of space, for
the cause of these pretended perturbations. It is the special object
of the present work to combat those errors which derive their source
from a vicious empiricism and from imperfect inductions."
Homboldt ,Cosmos

Make no mistake about it,the pronouncements were bound to become more
desperate as that is what cults do yet this is the scream of modelers
looking for attention,not decent and honest folk eager to research and
understand climate and the links between the motions of the Earth and
its effects on the surface.

On Jan 17, 5:56*am, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
wrote:
"oriel36" *wrote in message

...

On Jan 17, 12:10 am, Mike Collins wrote:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0115190218.htm

2012 Sustained Long-Term Climate Warming Trend, NASA Finds
Jan. 15, 2013 — NASA scientists say 2012 was the ninth warmest of any year
since 1880, continuing a long-term trend of rising global temperatures.
With the exception of 1998, the nine warmest years in the 132-year record
all have occurred since 2000, with 2010 and 2005 ranking as the hottest
years on record.

This is really a cult phenomena due to the dominance of mathematical
modelers as it preys on genuine human concern for the planet while
having no respect or appreciation whatsoever for basic planetary
facts.People with a healthy and vibrant appreciation of the connection
between planetary cycles and terrestrial effects from the daily
effects to annual effects to longer term cycle would develop a more
practical approach to pollution without these ridiculous assertions
that are getting more and more desperate in tone.It sounds like a
bunch of people who predict that 3 AM is the darkest hour on record
without keeping an eye on the fact that it will become bright once
again in a few hours and considering that the same cult refuses to
accept that a 24 hour AM/PM cycle keeps in step with one rotation,this
is less an analogy than a really,really dismal fact.

I do not know what the big deal is - a planet with zero inclination,
where the daily rotational axis aligns with the ecliptic axis, will
experience equatorial conditions rather than the older 'no tilt/no
seasons' perspective while a planet with a 90 degree inclination
reflects a polar climate.The newness of this planetary climate
spectrum is all the more reason to stop and consider what the main
components are by using planetary comparisons or by direct
observations that explain why we have the seasons.

Grow up for goodness sake,what the world is seeing is an empirical
game like those simulated games kids play.
====================================
Yes, ok, lunatic, we are all agreed the Earth turns the same face toward
the sun every 24 hours.
The big deal is it turns the same face toward Sirius every 23 hours and 56
minutes

You and the other numbskulls go further with your rotating celestial
sphere conclusion,you imagine 1465 rotations in 1461 days and
completely ignore the transfer of days/years into rotations/orbital
circuits.The astronomer knows that daily and orbital motions are
separate motions hence the format of 3 years of 365 days/rotations and
1 year of 366 days/rotations using a non stellar circumpolar
reference,in this case the annual appearance of Sirius from behind the
glare of the Sun,reduces to 365 1/4 rotations per orbital circuit or
1461 rotations to 4 orbital circuits to the nearest rotation.

It is not rocket science,a community which cannot match one 24 hour AM/
PM cycle with one rotation of the Earth and keep them in step across 4
annual cycles of the Earth has lost the mandate to research
terrestrial sciences or structural astronomy.Let them be paid and
maintain their reputations but the title of astronomer which they give
themselves will always be corrupt and phony,they can immediately set
about dealing with the issues but it is not my business to demand that
they do,the technical details demand it.

As for you,well........

"oriel36" wrote in message
...

On Jan 17, 5:56 am, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
wrote:
"oriel36" wrote in message

...

On Jan 17, 12:10 am, Mike Collins wrote:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0115190218.htm

2012 Sustained Long-Term Climate Warming Trend, NASA Finds
Jan. 15, 2013 — NASA scientists say 2012 was the ninth warmest of any
year
since 1880, continuing a long-term trend of rising global temperatures.
With the exception of 1998, the nine warmest years in the 132-year
record
all have occurred since 2000, with 2010 and 2005 ranking as the hottest
years on record.

This is really a cult phenomena due to the dominance of mathematical
modelers as it preys on genuine human concern for the planet while
having no respect or appreciation whatsoever for basic planetary
facts.People with a healthy and vibrant appreciation of the connection
between planetary cycles and terrestrial effects from the daily
effects to annual effects to longer term cycle would develop a more
practical approach to pollution without these ridiculous assertions
that are getting more and more desperate in tone.It sounds like a
bunch of people who predict that 3 AM is the darkest hour on record
without keeping an eye on the fact that it will become bright once
again in a few hours and considering that the same cult refuses to
accept that a 24 hour AM/PM cycle keeps in step with one rotation,this
is less an analogy than a really,really dismal fact.

I do not know what the big deal is - a planet with zero inclination,
where the daily rotational axis aligns with the ecliptic axis, will
experience equatorial conditions rather than the older 'no tilt/no
seasons' perspective while a planet with a 90 degree inclination
reflects a polar climate.The newness of this planetary climate
spectrum is all the more reason to stop and consider what the main
components are by using planetary comparisons or by direct
observations that explain why we have the seasons.

Grow up for goodness sake,what the world is seeing is an empirical
game like those simulated games kids play.
====================================
Yes, ok, lunatic, we are all agreed the Earth turns the same face toward
the sun every 24 hours.
The big deal is it turns the same face toward Sirius every 23 hours and 56
minutes

You and the other numbskulls =
=============================
YOU are the numbskull.
The big deal is it turns the same face toward Sirius every 23 hours and 56
minutes is a verifiable FACT.
**** off, idiot.

-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway.
When I get my O.B.E. I'll be an earlobe.

When I think of the sprawling topic of plate tectonics linked to
differential rotation of the fluid interior and dependent on a maximum
equatorial speed of 1037.5 miles per hour via the Lat/Long system and
the 24 hour AM/PM system which also includes the giant topic of
terrestrial longitudes with all the historical and physical references
in tow.The Earth can only turn once through 360 degrees and referenced
against the orbital cycle ,it turns 1461 times for the 4 times it
complete circuits of the Sun or 365 1/4 times per circuit so that
people operating off a flawed Ra/Dec view which insists on 1465
rotations for the same 4 circuits have lost the mandate to research
terrestrial sciences where planetary dynamics are involved.

A Christian does not reject denominational Christianity because it
engenders beliefs that exist at a different level that suits those who
know only daily concerns no more than a scientist should reject basic
planetary facts before moving on to a different and wider level of
discussion and when a situation occurs where there is a dispute
between cause and effect at a basic level between one day and one
rotation then readers can be certain that they either take the basic
step or tumble into intellectual oblivion and take Western
civilization with it.