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Another asteroid sampling mission, and yet NONE to Mars yet?
So they can get material from pint-sized asteroids (second mission is
planned) but we've yet to send and get back a probe to Mars. Why? |
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Another asteroid sampling mission, and yet NONE to Mars yet?
On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 19:13:17 -0800 (PST), RichA
wrote: So they can get material from pint-sized asteroids (second mission is planned) but we've yet to send and get back a probe to Mars. Why? Because the gravity of Mars is much higher and therefore a sample return from Mars requires much more fuel. |
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Another asteroid sampling mission, and yet NONE to Mars yet?
RichA wrote in news:fc4b9d27-82b8-4f42-a74f-
: So they can get material from pint-sized asteroids (second mission is planned) but we've yet to send and get back a probe to Mars. Why? It is cheaper and more reliable to drop your labratory on Mars, and send back only pictures/electronic sensor data. Which is what they did. |
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Another asteroid sampling mission, and yet NONE to Mars yet?
On Jan 4, 1:42*am, Paul Schlyter wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 19:13:17 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote: So they can get material from pint-sized asteroids (second mission is planned) but we've yet to send and get back a probe to Mars. *Why? Because the gravity of Mars is much higher and therefore a sample return from Mars requires much more fuel. It isn't so much that an actual launch from Mars would be so difficult (1/3 Earth gravity,) but rather that landing the launch equipment and fuel could be problematic and expensive. Funding would have to compete with the pork found in the Hurricane Sandy relief bill. However, given the Congress's spending habits, maybe not. |
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Another asteroid sampling mission, and yet NONE to Mars yet?
RichA:
So they can get material from pint-sized asteroids (second mission is planned) but we've yet to send and get back a probe to Mars. Why? Paul Schlyter: Because the gravity of Mars is much higher and therefore a sample return from Mars requires much more fuel. IMO, neither mission makes sense. You can buy a piece of an asteroid on Astromart for $100. A piece of Mars costs a bit more, but we have them. The latest figures I recall showed that there are 100 pieces of Mars in scientists' hands, with more waiting to be discovered. $ Billions saved! Cancel the manned Disney-science missions and launch more robots. Mankind has no future on Mars, and realistically, except possibly as seed fragments of DNA, he doesn't have a future on the other side of the Milky Way or in M31. Launch more space telescopes, build more powerful accelerators to determine whether there are fundamental truths and to learn them if they exist. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |
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Another asteroid sampling mission, and yet NONE to Mars yet?
On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 19:13:17 -0800 (PST), RichA
wrote: So they can get material from pint-sized asteroids (second mission is planned) but we've yet to send and get back a probe to Mars. Why? Mars is one of the most technically difficult planets to land on. And returned samples are problematic: imagine you were trying to understand the geology of the Earth, and you could only do it from a few kilos of samples collected in a small area. Asteroidal material is MUCH more useful scientifically, because asteroids provide information critical to understanding the details of how the Solar System formed in the first place. It's likely that a Martian exploration mission that involves a sample return will occur in the next few decades. In the meantime, asteroid sample return missions are of great value, and are a fraction of the cost. The two aren't mutually exclusive. |
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Another asteroid sampling mission, and yet NONE to Mars yet?
On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 09:20:30 -0500, Davoud wrote:
RichA: So they can get material from pint-sized asteroids (second mission is planned) but we've yet to send and get back a probe to Mars. Why? Paul Schlyter: Because the gravity of Mars is much higher and therefore a sample return from Mars requires much more fuel. IMO, neither mission makes sense. You can buy a piece of an asteroid on Astromart for $100. A piece of Mars costs a bit more, but we have them. Nobody knows from where on Mars these pieces came. On pieces obtained from a sample return mission, one would know that |
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Another asteroid sampling mission, and yet NONE to Mars yet?
On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 17:54:52 +0100, Paul Schlyter
wrote: Nobody knows from where on Mars these pieces came. On pieces obtained from a sample return mission, one would know that Also, meteorites have been altered by the time spent in space, by their passage through the atmosphere, and by weathering on Earth's surface. They're tremendously valuable for science, but are no substitute for pristine samples from their parent bodies. |
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Another asteroid sampling mission, and yet NONE to Mars yet?
On Jan 4, 5:44*am, wrote:
On Jan 4, 1:42*am, Paul Schlyter wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 19:13:17 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote: So they can get material from pint-sized asteroids (second mission is planned) but we've yet to send and get back a probe to Mars. *Why? Because the gravity of Mars is much higher and therefore a sample return from Mars requires much more fuel. It isn't so much that an actual launch from Mars would be so difficult (1/3 Earth gravity,) but rather that landing the launch equipment and fuel could be problematic and expensive. Funding would have to compete with the pork found in the Hurricane Sandy relief bill. However, given the Congress's spending habits, maybe not. The Sandy damage claim level is pure fraud and should be dispensed with. I challenge anybody to innumerate on the $60 billion damages claimed. Meanwhile, I hope recent Mars probes "on-board labs" do a better job at finding conclusive results than previous ones. Remember Viking's search for life? |
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