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Old December 4th 08, 10:28 PM posted to alt.astronomy
G=EMC^2 Glazier[_1_]
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What if the moon has 330 tonnes of water in its very dark polar craters?
Seems the lunar Prospector found cosmic rays were producing hydrogen
atoms every time it passed over the deep north and south poles. NASA
felt their source was water molecules. Well some of these craters are in
perpetual darkness. This can be very useful when the Moon is
colonized. Just melt the ice,and leave that **** recycler at home.
TreBert

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Old December 4th 08, 10:41 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Dec 4, 2:28*pm, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
What if the moon has 330 tonnes of water in its very dark polar craters?
Seems the lunar Prospector found cosmic rays were producing hydrogen
atoms every time it passed over the deep north and south poles. NASA
felt their source was water molecules. Well some of these craters are in
perpetual darkness. *This *can be very useful when the Moon is
colonized. *Just melt the ice,and leave that **** recycler at home.
TreBert


But how do you take a **** in that hard vacuum on the Moon? Pee-Air
might explode!

Double-A

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Old December 4th 08, 10:44 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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"G=EMC^2 Glazier" wrote in message
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What if the moon has 330 tonnes of water in its very dark polar craters?


Wouldn't the inner Moon be molten as the Earth is?
That just may melt the ice, you know.


Seems the lunar Prospector found cosmic rays were producing hydrogen
atoms every time it passed over the deep north and south poles. NASA
felt their source was water molecules. Well some of these craters are in
perpetual darkness. This can be very useful when the Moon is
colonized. Just melt the ice,and leave that **** recycler at home.
TreBert



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Old December 4th 08, 11:04 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Dec 4, 2:44*pm, "Mark Earnest" wrote:
"G=EMC^2 Glazier" wrote in message

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What if the moon has 330 tonnes of water in its very dark polar craters?


Wouldn't the inner Moon be molten as the Earth is?
That just may melt the ice, you know.



Unlike the Earth, the Moon is frozen solid!

Double-A


Seems the lunar Prospector found cosmic rays were producing hydrogen
atoms every time it passed over the deep north and south poles. NASA
felt their source was water molecules. Well some of these craters are in
perpetual darkness. *This *can be very useful when the Moon is
colonized. *Just melt the ice,and leave that **** recycler at home.
TreBert

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Old December 4th 08, 11:43 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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"Double-A" wrote in message
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On Dec 4, 2:44 pm, "Mark Earnest" wrote:
"G=EMC^2 Glazier" wrote in message

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What if the moon has 330 tonnes of water in its very dark polar craters?


Wouldn't the inner Moon be molten as the Earth is?
That just may melt the ice, you know.



Unlike the Earth, the Moon is frozen solid!

Yes, maybe that's why I haven't heard of lunar volcanoes.


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Old December 5th 08, 12:57 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Dec 4, 2:28 pm, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
What if the moon has 330 tonnes of water in its very dark polar craters?
Seems the lunar Prospector found cosmic rays were producing hydrogen
atoms every time it passed over the deep north and south poles. NASA
felt their source was water molecules. Well some of these craters are in
perpetual darkness. This can be very useful when the Moon is
colonized. Just melt the ice,and leave that **** recycler at home.
TreBert


Subjectively suggesting "What if the moon has 330 tonnes of water in
its very dark polar craters?" is also a pretty good joke.

Of course you do realize that the supposed 3e-15 bar environment is a
fairly good amount of vacuum, and if you were to try spitting on the
moon the resulting saliva explosion would likely take your head clean
off before the vacuum ever got a chance to suck your intestines and
most everything else out though your nose.

Portions of lunar basalt supposedly offer 260 ppm of h2o, and
perhaps deep underground (meaning within solid bedrock) there could be
a few geode pockets holding amounts of a mineral/salty brine that's
worth going after. Ar first that kind of basalt sequestered water
should only cost us a few hundred thousand of our hard earned loot per
kg.

It will be much cheaper to simply send beer and pizza to Selene from
Earth.

I've long since recommended bombing Selene with salty icebergs (large
blocks or spheres of brackish ice) from Earth, whereas that ice upon
impact would start creating an atmosphere as well as getting rid of
some of our terrestrial surplus in polluted and salty seawater we call
dead zones that are only populated by jellyfish.

To deductively think our Selene has any natural or deposited surface
ice as is, is rather foolish and otherwise dumbfounded considering the
well known laws of physics along with the lack of any kind of
objective science telling us otherwise.

Of course as of today, there's still no such objective science of raw
ice surviving in 1 AU space that's solar illuminated for any length of
time. In fact there's not even objective science on artificially
shaded ice in 1 AU space.

I'd like to know exactly how long a m3 of raw ice will last while the
sun is shining upon that naked ice.

btw, even the darkest paces of that lunar surface have sufficient
geothermal and secondary surface IR energy to fully vaporize any
amount of ice into far less than thin air.

The inner most core of Selene should have at least a few hundred to
possibly 3000° F to work with, although thus far there's only remote
and highly subjective science on that matter.

~ BG
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Old December 5th 08, 01:03 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Dec 4, 3:04 pm, Double-A wrote:
On Dec 4, 2:44 pm, "Mark Earnest" wrote:

"G=EMC^2 Glazier" wrote in message


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What if the moon has 330 tonnes of water in its very dark polar craters?


Wouldn't the inner Moon be molten as the Earth is?
That just may melt the ice, you know.


Unlike the Earth, the Moon is frozen solid!


Perhaps frozen solid (much like Mars), although there's a good chance
of some residual core geothermal energy that's well enough insulated
for keeping its warmth, if not a degree of thorium and uranium
reactions ongoing.

~ BG
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Old December 5th 08, 01:41 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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"BradGuth" wrote in message
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On Dec 4, 3:04 pm, Double-A wrote:
On Dec 4, 2:44 pm, "Mark Earnest" wrote:

"G=EMC^2 Glazier" wrote in message


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What if the moon has 330 tonnes of water in its very dark polar
craters?


Wouldn't the inner Moon be molten as the Earth is?
That just may melt the ice, you know.


Unlike the Earth, the Moon is frozen solid!


Perhaps frozen solid (much like Mars),



Now I know Mars has volcanoes, and that they cannot be all that ancient
considering the Martian dust storms that would have covered them up by now
if they were. Mars can't be frozen solid if it has volcanoes.

http://www.solarviews.com/eng/marsvolc.htm


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Old December 5th 08, 03:07 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Dec 4, 5:41 pm, "Mark Earnest" wrote:
"BradGuth" wrote in message

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On Dec 4, 3:04 pm, Double-A wrote:
On Dec 4, 2:44 pm, "Mark Earnest" wrote:


"G=EMC^2 Glazier" wrote in message


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What if the moon has 330 tonnes of water in its very dark polar
craters?


Wouldn't the inner Moon be molten as the Earth is?
That just may melt the ice, you know.


Unlike the Earth, the Moon is frozen solid!


Perhaps frozen solid (much like Mars),


Now I know Mars has volcanoes, and that they cannot be all that ancient
considering the Martian dust storms that would have covered them up by now
if they were. Mars can't be frozen solid if it has volcanoes.

http://www.solarviews.com/eng/marsvolc.htm


Perhaps only a couple hundred million years dead, that's all.

The Mars core could be turning to ice within the near future, although
perhaps some degree of geothermal energy is still there to behold,
though I'd doubt much over 1000°C, and if so it's certainly isolated
deep within.

Best SWAG as to what Selene has to work with is down to a low density
core of perhaps 800~850°C.

Earth has the added Selene tidal force of 2e20 N/sec that's keeping
our 98.5% fluid Earth extra heated from the inside out.

~ BG

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Old December 5th 08, 04:01 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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"BradGuth" wrote in message
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On Dec 4, 5:41 pm, "Mark Earnest" wrote:
"BradGuth" wrote in message

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On Dec 4, 3:04 pm, Double-A wrote:
On Dec 4, 2:44 pm, "Mark Earnest" wrote:


"G=EMC^2 Glazier" wrote in message


...


What if the moon has 330 tonnes of water in its very dark polar
craters?


Wouldn't the inner Moon be molten as the Earth is?
That just may melt the ice, you know.


Unlike the Earth, the Moon is frozen solid!


Perhaps frozen solid (much like Mars),


Now I know Mars has volcanoes, and that they cannot be all that ancient
considering the Martian dust storms that would have covered them up by now
if they were. Mars can't be frozen solid if it has volcanoes.

http://www.solarviews.com/eng/marsvolc.htm


Perhaps only a couple hundred million years dead, that's all.

The Mars core could be turning to ice within the near future, although
perhaps some degree of geothermal energy is still there to behold,
though I'd doubt much over 1000°C, and if so it's certainly isolated
deep within.

Best SWAG as to what Selene has to work with is down to a low density
core of perhaps 800~850°C.

Earth has the added Selene tidal force of 2e20 N/sec that's keeping
our 98.5% fluid Earth extra heated from the inside out.

**If the Martian wind was strong enough to drive the Martian dust storms
hard enough to etch out the Martian canyons...it would have easily flattened
a Martian volcano over a couple million years.

i.e., the Martian volcanoes just about have to be new.



~ BG


 




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