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Dark Matter, Dark Energy, and Black Holes - New Scientist article
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/...25423.600.html
09 March 2006 Exclusive from New Scientist Print Edition Zeeya Merali DARK energy and dark matter, two of the greatest mysteries confronting physicists, may be two sides of the same coin. A new and as yet undiscovered kind of star could explain both phenomena and, in turn, remove black holes from the lexicon of cosmology. The audacious idea comes from George Chapline, a physicist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, and Nobel laureate Robert Laughlin of Stanford University and their colleagues. Last week at the 22nd Pacific Coast Gravity Meeting in Santa Barbara, California, Chapline suggested that the objects that till now have been thought of as black holes could in fact be dead stars that form as a result of an obscure quantum phenomenon. These stars could explain both dark energy and dark matter. ... At the other end of the size scale, small versions of these stars could explain dark matter. "The big bang would have created zillions of tiny dark energy stars out of the vacuum," says Chapline, who worked on this idea with Mazur. "Our universe is pervaded by dark energy, with tiny dark energy stars peppered across it." These small dark energy stars would behave just like dark matter particles: their gravity would tug on the matter around them, but they would otherwise be invisible. Abramowicz says we know too little about dark energy and dark matter to judge Chapline and Laughlin's idea, but he is not dismissing it out of hand. "At the very least we can say the idea isn't impossible." -- Find out about Australia's most dangerous Doomsday Cult: http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm "You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down." |
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Dark Matter, Dark Energy, and Black Holes - New Scientist article
Bad or even incomplete theories might be worse than nothing at all.
People latch onto them, use them as a crutch, get narrow minded and lazy, and then, when the theories raise more questions than they answer, everyone tries to patch them up instead of starting over again and looking for something that makes sense. A patched up theory in the high sciences means it's time to start over. Bret Cahill "Psychology, the queen of sciences." -- Nietzsche |
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Dark Matter, Dark Energy, and Black Holes - New Scientist article
On 10 Mar 2006 16:11:55 -0800, "Bret Cahill"
wrote: Bad or even incomplete theories might be worse than nothing at all. People latch onto them, use them as a crutch, get narrow minded and lazy, and then, when the theories raise more questions than they answer, everyone tries to patch them up instead of starting over again and looking for something that makes sense. A patched up theory in the high sciences means it's time to start over. Which is probably why we are due for a new one on subatomic matter sometime in the next decades. :-) -- Find out about Australia's most dangerous Doomsday Cult: http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm "You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down." |
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Dark Matter, Dark Energy, and Black Holes - New Scientist article
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"Wally Anglesea™" wrote: http://www.newscientist.com/channel/...25423.600.html 09 March 2006 Exclusive from New Scientist Print Edition Zeeya Merali DARK energy and dark matter, two of the greatest mysteries confronting physicists, may be two sides of the same coin. A new and as yet undiscovered kind of star could explain both phenomena and, in turn, remove black holes from the lexicon of cosmology. The audacious idea comes from George Chapline, a physicist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, and Nobel laureate Robert Laughlin of Stanford University and their colleagues. Last week at the 22nd Pacific Coast Gravity Meeting in Santa Barbara, California, Chapline suggested that the objects that till now have been thought of as black holes could in fact be dead stars that form as a result of an obscure quantum phenomenon. These stars could explain both dark energy and dark matter. .. At the other end of the size scale, small versions of these stars could explain dark matter. "The big bang would have created zillions of tiny dark energy stars out of the vacuum," says Chapline, who worked on this idea with Mazur. "Our universe is pervaded by dark energy, with tiny dark energy stars peppered across it." These small dark energy stars would behave just like dark matter particles: their gravity would tug on the matter around them, but they would otherwise be invisible. Abramowicz says we know too little about dark energy and dark matter to judge Chapline and Laughlin's idea, but he is not dismissing it out of hand. "At the very least we can say the idea isn't impossible." -- Find out about Australia's most dangerous Doomsday Cult: http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm "You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down." nightbat I originally explained this long ago via my profound model of the nightbat " Black Comet ". Center of galaxy strong gravity zone objects that do not emit light are not stars but cosmic metamorphosis altered energy ones into " Black Comets ", nuff said. Yes, I'm back from the JPL in Pasadena, did you miss me? See: http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...34.htm&sc=1501 ponder on, the nightbat |
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Dark Matter, Dark Energy, and Black Holes - New Scientist article
nightbat wrote:
nightbat wrote "Wally Anglesea™" wrote: http://www.newscientist.com/channel/...25423.600.html 09 March 2006 Exclusive from New Scientist Print Edition Zeeya Merali DARK energy and dark matter, two of the greatest mysteries confronting physicists, may be two sides of the same coin. A new and as yet undiscovered kind of star could explain both phenomena and, in turn, remove black holes from the lexicon of cosmology. The audacious idea comes from George Chapline, a physicist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, and Nobel laureate Robert Laughlin of Stanford University and their colleagues. Last week at the 22nd Pacific Coast Gravity Meeting in Santa Barbara, California, Chapline suggested that the objects that till now have been thought of as black holes could in fact be dead stars that form as a result of an obscure quantum phenomenon. These stars could explain both dark energy and dark matter. .. At the other end of the size scale, small versions of these stars could explain dark matter. "The big bang would have created zillions of tiny dark energy stars out of the vacuum," says Chapline, who worked on this idea with Mazur. "Our universe is pervaded by dark energy, with tiny dark energy stars peppered across it." These small dark energy stars would behave just like dark matter particles: their gravity would tug on the matter around them, but they would otherwise be invisible. Abramowicz says we know too little about dark energy and dark matter to judge Chapline and Laughlin's idea, but he is not dismissing it out of hand. "At the very least we can say the idea isn't impossible." -- Find out about Australia's most dangerous Doomsday Cult: http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm "You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down." nightbat I originally explained this long ago via my profound model of the nightbat " Black Comet ". Center of galaxy strong gravity zone objects that do not emit light are not stars but cosmic metamorphosis altered energy ones into " Black Comets ", nuff said. Yes, I'm back from the JPL in Pasadena, did you miss me? See: http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...34.htm&sc=1501 ponder on, the nightbat Good to see you back, nightbat! ... It's getting very, very snowy around here. Cordially RL P.S. Yeah, I missed you. ;-) |
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Dark Matter, Dark Energy, and Black Holes - New Scientist article
nightbat wrote
Raving Loonie wrote: nightbat wrote: nightbat wrote "Wally Anglesea™" wrote: http://www.newscientist.com/channel/...25423.600.html 09 March 2006 Exclusive from New Scientist Print Edition Zeeya Merali DARK energy and dark matter, two of the greatest mysteries confronting physicists, may be two sides of the same coin. A new and as yet undiscovered kind of star could explain both phenomena and, in turn, remove black holes from the lexicon of cosmology. The audacious idea comes from George Chapline, a physicist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, and Nobel laureate Robert Laughlin of Stanford University and their colleagues. Last week at the 22nd Pacific Coast Gravity Meeting in Santa Barbara, California, Chapline suggested that the objects that till now have been thought of as black holes could in fact be dead stars that form as a result of an obscure quantum phenomenon. These stars could explain both dark energy and dark matter. .. At the other end of the size scale, small versions of these stars could explain dark matter. "The big bang would have created zillions of tiny dark energy stars out of the vacuum," says Chapline, who worked on this idea with Mazur. "Our universe is pervaded by dark energy, with tiny dark energy stars peppered across it." These small dark energy stars would behave just like dark matter particles: their gravity would tug on the matter around them, but they would otherwise be invisible. Abramowicz says we know too little about dark energy and dark matter to judge Chapline and Laughlin's idea, but he is not dismissing it out of hand. "At the very least we can say the idea isn't impossible." -- Find out about Australia's most dangerous Doomsday Cult: http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm "You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down." nightbat I originally explained this long ago via my profound model of the nightbat " Black Comet ". Center of galaxy strong gravity zone objects that do not emit light are not stars but cosmic metamorphosis altered energy ones into " Black Comets ", nuff said. Yes, I'm back from the JPL in Pasadena, did you miss me? See: http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...34.htm&sc=1501 ponder on, the nightbat Officer RL Good to see you back, nightbat! ... It's getting very, very snowy around here. Cordially RL P.S. Yeah, I missed you. ;-) nightbat Why thank you Officer RL for I missed you and my whole profound Earth Science Team Officers too. My trip to the research laboratory was very exciting and advanced data encompassing. The success of this Mars mission is going well. I have photos taken of the Captain standing next to lab's small and large models of it. There is no telescope on the reconnaissance spacecraft but an array of instruments and a very large camera to hopefully take spectacular shots of the Mars surface. It's just beautiful to look at up close and I was scientifically thrilled. Got to view the operations room and Moon Mars rover test facilities. The bulk of the Lab's research is now devoted to space robotics and what fun it was seeing the secret work going on. I also explained to them about our select net science teams research with the Seans and now they look forward to our success too. The race for first official contact is every scientist's and researcher's dream. Dr. Why claimed the main Seans space exploratory team are now on their way back and Official First Contact should hopefully occur around the end of this month or early April, we'll see. Thanks again for your warm return welcome to me Officer RL and I will do my best to continue to deserve it. your respectful Captain, the nightbat |
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Dark Matter, Dark Energy, and Black Holes - New Scientist article
nightbat , the drawling freeloader and solid bun
duster who likes savage sexual traumas with grizzly bears, and whose partner is a pavement-pretty with a moist finger warmer, wrote in : Raving Loonie wrote: nightbat wrote Yes, I'm back from the JPL in Pasadena Officer RL Good to see you back, nightbat! P.S. Yeah, I missed you. ;-) nightbat Why thank you Officer RL for I missed you and my whole profound Earth Science Team Officers too. My trip to the research laboratory was very exciting and advanced data encompassing. The success of this Mars mission is going well. I have photos taken of the Captain standing next to lab's small and large models of it. There is no telescope on the reconnaissance spacecraft but an array of instruments and a very large camera to hopefully take spectacular shots of the Mars surface. It's just beautiful to look at up close and I was scientifically thrilled. Got to view the operations room and Moon Mars rover test facilities. The bulk of the Lab's research is now devoted to space robotics and what fun it was seeing the secret work going on. I also explained to them about our select net science teams research with the Seans and now they look forward to our success too. 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Dark Matter, Dark Energy, and Black Holes - New Scientist article
No, frootbat, we didn't miss you!
Saul Levy On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 02:30:06 -0500, nightbat wrote: nightbat wrote "Wally Anglesea™" wrote: http://www.newscientist.com/channel/...25423.600.html 09 March 2006 Exclusive from New Scientist Print Edition Zeeya Merali DARK energy and dark matter, two of the greatest mysteries confronting physicists, may be two sides of the same coin. A new and as yet undiscovered kind of star could explain both phenomena and, in turn, remove black holes from the lexicon of cosmology. The audacious idea comes from George Chapline, a physicist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, and Nobel laureate Robert Laughlin of Stanford University and their colleagues. Last week at the 22nd Pacific Coast Gravity Meeting in Santa Barbara, California, Chapline suggested that the objects that till now have been thought of as black holes could in fact be dead stars that form as a result of an obscure quantum phenomenon. These stars could explain both dark energy and dark matter. .. At the other end of the size scale, small versions of these stars could explain dark matter. "The big bang would have created zillions of tiny dark energy stars out of the vacuum," says Chapline, who worked on this idea with Mazur. "Our universe is pervaded by dark energy, with tiny dark energy stars peppered across it." These small dark energy stars would behave just like dark matter particles: their gravity would tug on the matter around them, but they would otherwise be invisible. Abramowicz says we know too little about dark energy and dark matter to judge Chapline and Laughlin's idea, but he is not dismissing it out of hand. "At the very least we can say the idea isn't impossible." -- Find out about Australia's most dangerous Doomsday Cult: http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm "You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down." nightbat I originally explained this long ago via my profound model of the nightbat " Black Comet ". Center of galaxy strong gravity zone objects that do not emit light are not stars but cosmic metamorphosis altered energy ones into " Black Comets ", nuff said. Yes, I'm back from the JPL in Pasadena, did you miss me? See: http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...34.htm&sc=1501 ponder on, the nightbat |
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Dark Matter, Dark Energy, and Black Holes - New Scientist article
What secret work, frootbat?
As for first contact happening soon: NO WAY! Saul Levy On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 03:35:42 -0500, nightbat wrote: Why thank you Officer RL for I missed you and my whole profound Earth Science Team Officers too. My trip to the research laboratory was very exciting and advanced data encompassing. The success of this Mars mission is going well. I have photos taken of the Captain standing next to lab's small and large models of it. There is no telescope on the reconnaissance spacecraft but an array of instruments and a very large camera to hopefully take spectacular shots of the Mars surface. It's just beautiful to look at up close and I was scientifically thrilled. Got to view the operations room and Moon Mars rover test facilities. The bulk of the Lab's research is now devoted to space robotics and what fun it was seeing the secret work going on. I also explained to them about our select net science teams research with the Seans and now they look forward to our success too. The race for first official contact is every scientist's and researcher's dream. Dr. Why claimed the main Seans space exploratory team are now on their way back and Official First Contact should hopefully occur around the end of this month or early April, we'll see. Thanks again for your warm return welcome to me Officer RL and I will do my best to continue to deserve it. your respectful Captain, the nightbat |
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Dark Matter, Dark Energy, and Black Holes - New Scientist article
nightbat wrote:
nightbat wrote "Wally Anglesea™" wrote: http://www.newscientist.com/channel/...25423.600.html 09 March 2006 Exclusive from New Scientist Print Edition Zeeya Merali DARK energy and dark matter, two of the greatest mysteries confronting physicists, may be two sides of the same coin. A new and as yet undiscovered kind of star could explain both phenomena and, in turn, remove black holes from the lexicon of cosmology. The audacious idea comes from George Chapline, a physicist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, and Nobel laureate Robert Laughlin of Stanford University and their colleagues. Last week at the 22nd Pacific Coast Gravity Meeting in Santa Barbara, California, Chapline suggested that the objects that till now have been thought of as black holes could in fact be dead stars that form as a result of an obscure quantum phenomenon. These stars could explain both dark energy and dark matter. .. At the other end of the size scale, small versions of these stars could explain dark matter. "The big bang would have created zillions of tiny dark energy stars out of the vacuum," says Chapline, who worked on this idea with Mazur. "Our universe is pervaded by dark energy, with tiny dark energy stars peppered across it." These small dark energy stars would behave just like dark matter particles: their gravity would tug on the matter around them, but they would otherwise be invisible. Abramowicz says we know too little about dark energy and dark matter to judge Chapline and Laughlin's idea, but he is not dismissing it out of hand. "At the very least we can say the idea isn't impossible." -- Find out about Australia's most dangerous Doomsday Cult: http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm "You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down." nightbat I originally explained this long ago via my profound model of the nightbat " Black Comet ". Center of galaxy strong gravity zone objects that do not emit light are not stars but cosmic metamorphosis altered energy ones into " Black Comets ", nuff said. Yes, I'm back from the JPL in Pasadena, did you miss me? Hey frootbat, I read all the way through the article Wally referenced, and there is nothing in there about comets, much less black comets. Have you been dropping acid again? -- Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads in alt.astronomy Official Agent of Deception Co-Winner, alt.(f)lame Worst Flame War, December 2005 "Causation of gravity is missing frame field always attempting renormalization back to base memory of equalized uniform momentum." -- nightbat the saucerhead-in-chief |
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