Runaway Global Warming Possible!

This was the first year since record keeping began in 1870 that
Indianapolis
made it through the entire year without reaching 90F even once. ;-)


And still managed to average 1 F above normal for the year.

What is normal for the year?

There is an implicit assumption (not yet justified) that climate change
(especially 'global warming') is necessarily bad.

Shortly after the end of the last glaciation there was a period in
which the globe was approximately 5° C warmer than it is now and sea
levels were several meters higher.

You exaggerate obsolete data. Your sea level claims are just plain wrong
too.

http://www.pages.unibe.ch/shighlight...e03/davis.html

How do you know that he is exaggerating obsolete data? You know the truth?
Pftttt!

Human population during this time was very low.

What does that have to do with anything?

There is an implicit assumption (not yet justified) that climate change
(especially 'global warming') is necessarily bad.

Since we've adapted our civilization to the current climate any change
will
be bad.

Why? Would we not adapt to change? Yuo seem to be saying that we have done
so in the past.

Are todays sea levels optimum? Perhaps not, but moving all port
cities if it changes is going to be horribly expensive.

It is the expense that worris you? Reducing C02 would also be expensive, and
have an impact sooner.

What about flood
plains located just about sea level. What will people who live there do if
sea levels rise?

They will do like the Dutch or the Venetians, or they will migrate.

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says...
This was the first year since record keeping began in 1870 that=20
Indianapolis
made it through the entire year without reaching 90F even once. ;-)


And still managed to average 1 F above normal for the year.
=20
What is normal for the year?=20
=20
=20
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52.5 F.

You can get all of the climate data for Indianapolis from the local=20
weather service office web site:

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/ind/cli.php


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Harold Brooks
hebrooks87 hotmail.com

"Harold Brooks" wrote in message
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says...
This was the first year since record keeping began in 1870 that
Indianapolis
made it through the entire year without reaching 90F even once. ;-)


And still managed to average 1 F above normal for the year.

What is normal for the year?




52.5 F.

That is an average over what period?

tadchem wrote:

There is an implicit assumption (not yet justified) that climate
change
(especially 'global warming') is necessarily bad.

Global warming (CO2) may mitigate snowball Earth.
Contrary to expectation, ocean warming preceded global warming.
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache...a ir%22&hl=en

or
http://climateark.org/articles/2000/1st/stfindal.htm
There are 75000 km of midocean ridges capable of hydrothermal
venting (400C) as exemplified by the Arctic ridge:
http://www.mpg.de/english/illustrati...718/index.html
Warmer oceans generate more clouds and snow which reflect sunlight
and lead to global cooling which, if unchecked, leads to snowball
Earth.
John Curtis

"tadchem" wrote in message
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Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
January 26, 2005

http://www.nature.com/news/2005/0501...050124-10.html

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6934


http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7440023

http://www.physorg.com/news2831.html

http://www.climateprediction.net

Thomas Lee Elifritz
http://elifritz.members.atlantic.net

...There is an implicit assumption (not yet justified) that climate change
...(especially 'global warming') is necessarily bad.

I don't think this is assumed, it is hypothesized and supported with
evidence and model predictions.

...Shortly after the end of the last glaciation there was a period in
...which the globe was approximately 5° C warmer than it is now and sea
...levels were several meters higher.
...
...It is known to anthropologists and archaeologists as the "Holocene
...thermal optimum" and was also a time of much greater biomass, the
...Sahara grasslands, and much larger forests. Agriculture flourished,
...people built cities and learned to write, and trading became
...commonplace. The Stone age was supplanted by the Dawn of Civilization.

One *very* sgnificant factor you are ignoring is the speed of change. If
the change in climate is too sudden, it has a drastic effect on all living
organisms. This has been observed at many times in geological history.
Also, the speed of recovery, and yes, perhaps tremendous improvement (but
whatever measure you might choose) is *very* slow by human standards, ie
millions of years, (rather longer than the term of any political leader
anyway).

...All [flourishing, building, dawning] without fossil fuel consumption...

Can you clarify what you mean by this comment?

...When circumstances do not change, adaptation ceases. When adaptation
...ceases, species stagnate and become more vulnerable to change.
...Change is inevitable. Adapt or die.

I agree. But this is true on geological timescales, not on the scale of
decades.

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ big pond . com")

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Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
[snip crap]

Tell it to New England.

There is a difference between amount of snow and temperature. Lots of
snow
does not contradict global warming. It's just one place and one week.
The
overall average temperature could still go up.


This was the first year since record keeping began in 1870 that
Indianapolis
made it through the entire year without reaching 90F even once. ;-)




And still managed to average 1 F above normal for the year.
--
Harold Brooks
hebrooks87 hotmail.com

If that's Global Warming I'm all for it. ;-)

In article , =20
says...
=20
"Harold Brooks" wrote in message=20
t...
In article ,
says...
This was the first year since record keeping began in 1870 that
Indianapolis
made it through the entire year without reaching 90F even once. ;-)


And still managed to average 1 F above normal for the year.

What is normal for the year?



=20
52.5 F.
=20
That is an average over what period?=20


1971-2000. The standard averaging period is the last 30 years ending in=20
0.

Harold

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Harold Brooks
hebrooks87 hotmail.com

52.5 F.

That is an average over what period?


1971-2000. The standard averaging period is the last 30 years ending in
0.

So based on a record of 30 years, you can say what is normal?