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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 21:40:01 GMT, in a place far, far away,
(Christopher) made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: but your political system is irrelevant. How so? Because it's not the one that you claim that you want to go to Mars. Ours is. I don't care if the Chinese space program sends humans to Mars, so long as I can live long enough to see it happen. Look, this all started because you were complaining that NASA wasn't doing enough. I was simply explaining how you could change that in a way that would be more effective than whinging on Usenet. Try to follow the subject. That doesn't matter. If you want to influence Congress, you can hire me. There's no law requiring you to be an American to do so. Even if I did, do you honestly think a bunch of local American politicians will take any notice of an Englishman? No, but they'll take notice of his lobbyist, if it's a good one... Believe me, I wouldn't go in and argue "We should set up a Mars program. Christopher the Englishman wants one." Even *I'm* a better lobbyist than that. ;-) -- simberg.interglobal.org * 310 372-7963 (CA) 307 739-1296 (Jackson Hole) interglobal space lines * 307 733-1715 (Fax) http://www.interglobal.org "Extraordinary launch vehicles require extraordinary markets..." Swap the first . and @ and throw out the ".trash" to email me. Here's my email address for autospammers: |
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"Brian Thorn" wrote in message ... On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 16:55:33 GMT, (Christopher) wrote: The British weren't the first to the New World, so your argument fails. True, but the Danes took one at it look saw what a dump it was then turned round and went back. The English were the first to stay and establish colonys, so my 'argument' dosn't fail. Actually it's not even clear the English were the first to stay and establish colonies. The Vikings appear to have tried. Trying is only 1/2 the battle. Succeeding is the other half. No, that would be the *Spanish*, by a significant margin. Brian |
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don't want to spend $100 billion to
raise our flag on Mars? Your DoD has been given that amount extra to raise your flag all over the middle east. That has to do with *protecting* our people, and yes our interests, from *attack.* That takes precedence over a prestige stunt that few in the world really care about. more important things to do with that kind of money right now. If we had thought that way we'd have never built the British Empire, starting with a collection of colonys in a place called the New World. There was *money* to be made in that, for the generation that did it. There will come no money from Mars, even for the *nation* that sends the ships there. |
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"Christopher" wrote in message ... On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:29:07 GMT, (Derek Lyons) wrote: (Christopher) wrote: On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 22:41:36 GMT, (Derek Lyons) wrote: (Christopher) wrote: Thats a sad indictment of America and it's 'frontier sprit' The 'frontier spirit' is mostly a myth anyhow. What truth there was to it was mostly about economics and exploitation, not about going someplace for the sake of going there. Trade follows the flag. laughs No. The flag goes were trade desires. It's a myth that it flows the other way 'round. To maybe, but then your country never had an empire like mine. Can you rephrase this sentence to make your point clear? The first clause is total nonsense and it is hard to understand what you are implying. Jason |
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On 10 Aug 2003 22:50:50 GMT, (G EddieA95) wrote:
That takes precedence over a prestige stunt that few in the world really care about. ....that's because those who are not part of the "few" are unwashed, uneducated, inbred idiots. OM -- "No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr |
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"Jason Rhodes" wrote in message ... To maybe, but then your country never had an empire like mine. Can you rephrase this sentence to make your point clear? The first clause is total nonsense and it is hard to understand what you are implying. Insert the word you in the first part. Jason |
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(Christopher) writes: I don't care if the Chinese space program sends humans to Mars, so long as I can live long enough to see it happen. The Chinese may very well be the first to do it, since their developing country would probably feel that it needs the prestige more than any other. Realistically, on the other hand, it's hard to see how it could be done without major cooperation between the superpowers, which itself could be a reason to do it (there's value in keeping open friendly communications). But even if someone started NOW on it, I'd be surprised if it could happen in the next 50 years. How are they going to get there? A Hohman-transfer orbit would require keeping astronauts alive for about 2 years, 14 months in space and the rest on the surface of Mars. What's the longest anyone has lived in space? A year? Is it possible to counteract the effects of no gravity on the human body? Nobody knows yet. Is it possible to make a system that can provide food/air continuously for long periods away from earth? A mars-direct launch might cut the time but then you need a BFR (big f****** rocket), which we don't have now. You'd probably in either case have to build a ship in orbit, not launch it from the earth, and you'd probably need at least two, one to go ahead of time to set up a supply base on Mars. Right now we can't even build the ISS because of the shuttle problems. So even if we want to do it and decide to do it, it's a major, major, major undertaking, even if dollars were infinite. This web page has documents on the issue. The first one has the details of the mission and the options ("Practial Methods for Near Term Piloted Mars Missions"). The windows doc file version worked on my computer (the text version had every paragraph as one long sentence in my browser): http://www.nw.net/mars/marsdirect.html Patrick |
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