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anti-blue moon?
As many of you know, the interpretation of a blue moon as the second
Full Moon in a month arose as a misinterpretation of a passage from an old farmer's almanac. The correct reading of that almanac is, evidently, that a blue moon is the third Full Moon in a season that has four (as occasionally happens). My question is, does the opposite ever happen? The usual course of affairs is for there to be three in a season, but four happens rather routinely. But is there ever a season with only *two* Full Moons? Could there be a missing Full Moon--an anti-blue moon, if you will? Consider: A year has about 365.24 days, and thus each season is about 91.31 days in length, on average. The Moon's synodic period, on the other hand, is the average period between Full Moons, and is about 29.53 days. If you multiply 29.53 by 3, you get only 88.59 days. That would seem to eliminate the possibility of there being only two Full Moons in a season. However, as the ancient Greeks knew, the lengths of the season are not all equal. Nor are the periods between Full Moons. In Hipparchus's time, autumn (if we define it in the modern sense as the time between the autumnal equinox and the winter solstice) was the shortest month, lasting about 88-1/8 days. Assuming that the synodic period of the Moon was about the same then as it is now, there *could* have been an autumn now and then with only two Full Moons. Imagine that the last Full Moon of summer occurred just 0.13 days before the autumnal equinox. Then the next Full Moon occurs 29.40 days after the equinox, the next one 58.93 days after, and the next one after that at 88.46--enough to put it into winter. The possibility of all this is increased if we take into account the elliptical orbit of the Moon. The synodic period of the Moon is longer than the sidereal period because as the Earth goes around the Sun in its orbit, the Moon has to make a bit more than a complete revolution around the Earth, as seen from the distant stars, in order to come back in line with the Sun and Earth. That extra bit takes longer if the Moon happens to be at apogee (when it revolves the slowest) when Full Moon rolls around. I estimate that this would add about another tenth of a day to each synodic period around Full Moon. The catch to this is that the lengths of the seasons has not stayed constant since the time of Hipparchus. In his day, perihelion took place during autumn; now, it happens during winter. However, the date of perihelion is less than two weeks after the winter solstice, meaning that autumn and winter last almost equally long (with winter, I suppose, being a tad shorter). They might both be too long to be able to stretch out only two Full Moons to the season--but I haven't done all the math to find out. At some point, perihelion will take place in the middle of winter, and it will then be the shortest season by a good margin. It seems almost inescapable to me that there would be an anti-blue moon at some point in time, even if it isn't possible in our epoch. If any Sky and Telescope editors are reading this, I'd love to write an article on this. Wink, wink. Brian Tung The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/ Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/ The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/ My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.txt |
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"Brian Tung" wrote in message ... As many of you know, the interpretation of a blue moon as the second Full Moon in a month arose as a misinterpretation of a passage from an old farmer's almanac. The correct reading of that almanac is, evidently, that a blue moon is the third Full Moon in a season that has four (as occasionally happens). If anyone is interested in the story of the misinterpretation - http://skyandtelescope.com/observing...icle_127_1.asp |
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e-------- wrote:
$ diary -r 120 19611220.0 | \ sed -n -e '/FULL MOON/p' -e '/Equinox/p' -e '/Solstice/p' 1961 Dec 22 00:41:18 FULL MOON 1961 Dec 22 02:19:29 Southern Solstice 1962 Jan 20 18:16:18 FULL MOON 1962 Feb 19 13:17:53 FULL MOON (Penumbral Eclipse) 1962 Mar 21 02:29:33 Northern Equinox 1962 Mar 21 07:55:24 FULL MOON There are three other instances post 1AD, prior to 2000, and probably a few more prior to 1AD (I only searched the DE 406 for 1-2000); I'll leave those for you to publish in your article. Cool! Thanks for the tip. Do you have a pointer to "diary"? I'll look for it via Google, but it's a sufficiently common word that I'm not sure I'll be able to find it in a reasonable length of time... Brian Tung The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/ Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/ The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/ My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.txt |
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One calculation shows 41 months that have 2 full moons @ per century.
Once each 2 1/2 years? Its technical definition differs from the various colloqueal meanings applied to it over the years, since Shakespeare's time at least. Its an old concept. Today I suppose it means "not very often" implying rare occurrence of something as in "once in a blue moon". But it has had ominous implications as in: "Never marry under a blue Moon. Your marraige will be full of travail or Your first child willk be still born" or "Children born under a blue moon are excpetional". Personally Ive never seen what I would actually call a "blue" moon. Ive seen several moons tending to violet, under cold dusty conditions. And I wish my computer icon would stop flashing blue moons every two weeks! Mark Brian Tung wrote: As many of you know, the interpretation of a blue moon as the second Full Moon in a month arose as a misinterpretation of a passage from an old farmer's almanac. The correct reading of that almanac is, evidently, that a blue moon is the third Full Moon in a season that has four (as occasionally happens). My question is, does the opposite ever happen? The usual course of affairs is for there to be three in a season, but four happens rather routinely. But is there ever a season with only *two* Full Moons? Could there be a missing Full Moon--an anti-blue moon, if you will? Consider: A year has about 365.24 days, and thus each season is about 91.31 days in length, on average. The Moon's synodic period, on the other hand, is the average period between Full Moons, and is about 29.53 days. If you multiply 29.53 by 3, you get only 88.59 days. That would seem to eliminate the possibility of there being only two Full Moons in a season. However, as the ancient Greeks knew, the lengths of the season are not all equal. Nor are the periods between Full Moons. In Hipparchus's time, autumn (if we define it in the modern sense as the time between the autumnal equinox and the winter solstice) was the shortest month, lasting about 88-1/8 days. Assuming that the synodic period of the Moon was about the same then as it is now, there *could* have been an autumn now and then with only two Full Moons. Imagine that the last Full Moon of summer occurred just 0.13 days before the autumnal equinox. Then the next Full Moon occurs 29.40 days after the equinox, the next one 58.93 days after, and the next one after that at 88.46--enough to put it into winter. The possibility of all this is increased if we take into account the elliptical orbit of the Moon. The synodic period of the Moon is longer than the sidereal period because as the Earth goes around the Sun in its orbit, the Moon has to make a bit more than a complete revolution around the Earth, as seen from the distant stars, in order to come back in line with the Sun and Earth. That extra bit takes longer if the Moon happens to be at apogee (when it revolves the slowest) when Full Moon rolls around. I estimate that this would add about another tenth of a day to each synodic period around Full Moon. The catch to this is that the lengths of the seasons has not stayed constant since the time of Hipparchus. In his day, perihelion took place during autumn; now, it happens during winter. However, the date of perihelion is less than two weeks after the winter solstice, meaning that autumn and winter last almost equally long (with winter, I suppose, being a tad shorter). They might both be too long to be able to stretch out only two Full Moons to the season--but I haven't done all the math to find out. At some point, perihelion will take place in the middle of winter, and it will then be the shortest season by a good margin. It seems almost inescapable to me that there would be an anti-blue moon at some point in time, even if it isn't possible in our epoch. If any Sky and Telescope editors are reading this, I'd love to write an article on this. Wink, wink. Brian Tung The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/ Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/ The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/ My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.txt |
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e--------- wrote:
I don't know if anything like this stuff exists elsewhere. It's kind of specialized to the point of arcane. I don't publish it because of this, but also because even 15 years later(**), I am still finding silly bugs or misfeatures or the need to make necessary enhancements in the code whenever I use it for some new problem(**). Most people seem to like GUI-based planetarium software anyways. Can't they do this sort of thing by now? I suppose some of them can, but I've always preferred using ordinary text tools. Thanks again for the lead, though--I might contrive something of my own. Brian Tung The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/ Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/ The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/ My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.txt |
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...is there ever a season with only *two* Full Moons?
Could there be a missing Full Moon--an anti-blue moon, if you will? If any Sky and Telescope editors are reading this, I'd love to write an article on this. There are three other instances post 1AD, prior to 2000, and probably a few more prior to 1AD (I only searched the DE 406 for 1-2000); I'll leave those for you to publish in your article. Sounds interesting. The circumstances and rarity alone make it a worthy article. But there would really be nothing to 'see'. They would only be 'anti-blue moon', 'delinquent moon', or 'missing moon' seasons. Maybe the status of one or both of the two remaining Full Moons that are pulling the 'extra' seasonal shift could be recognized as well (for public attention especially) e.g., the first could be the Late Moon, or the second: the Long Moon. If you get my drift. SSX |
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e--------- wrote:
(There appears to be no blue-moon pair in the same calendar year though. Time for a new calendar if you ask me.) Nothing to do with the calendar, except for the accident that the perihelion falls close to the end of the old year and beginning of the new. Thus the deficient seasons are going to be autumn or winter. Ten thousand years from now, the deficient seasons will be spring or summer. Brian Tung The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/ Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/ The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/ My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.txt |
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