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"Dave Fowler" (Russian spaceflight with no Russian cosmonauts onboard!). Heh heh....for $20 or $40 million they can deal with that. |
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Jim - If you can, find out how many Soyuz are in inventory and how many
are in work....and their completion dates. I have a hunch that they are low on vehicles. Thx. |
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"JimO" writes:
Any progress on NASA's studying the Russian proposal for the next ISS crew to stay up for 12 months? From what i can hear, there's a major internal debate over this idea -- go for it, or be cautious. jeff findley wrote in message ... I find some of the comments (in your article) by NASA astronauts very disturbing. They make it sound like they wouldn't consider taking that long of a mission. If that's the case, perhaps NASA needs to "clean house" very soon. If we aren't flying astronauts now that are willing to perform long duration missions, how do we ever expect to get to Mars? Correct. Though the question that one need to ask is... is it right to send those people out there that long? I find it amazing that none of the Human Rights organizations object to long term space missions, but then again, HR organizations are made to pressure organizations and countries, and not made to help humans. Of course, I'm sure that if their boss told them to pressure/harass NASA or any other space organization because cruel treatment to astronauts/cosmonauts/taikonauts/and so on, they will do so. By the way, the longest record for long stay hold by Mir is 437 days, done by Valeri Polyakov, and he was quite all right when he got back despite his stay in orbit and his quite moderate age (52 years old). http://www.airspacemag.com/asm/mag/supp/jj96/supp1.html However it should be noted that Valeri gets constant supplies, regular and almost instaneous communication, within short distance of Earth and capable of going back to Earth at almost anytime, and have a big view of Earth ("Your infatuation with this planet is irrational."). So... While a long stay on a space station orbiting on has been done without a quite unhealthy effect, a trip to Mars might be different. It also should be noted that long stay breaking records till now are only done aboard Mir, and not aboard the ISS. Maybe someone wanted to set a new record aboard the ISS too? Anyway. If one want to have astronauts up there for quite a long time and they don't want to, there's one way to do so. Trick them. Just send them up there, tell them that it's only for a few months, then later on after a few months, ask them to stay up there for a few more months, and again, and again, so on till the desire amount of time needed is fulfilled or they threaten to mutiny or about to gone insane. If there really are medical issues with flights this long, wouldn't it be prudent to find out about them a.s.a.p.? If there are medical issues with flight this long, shouldn't it be no one is allowed to do so? If this does turn out to be the case, the solution could be an engineering one. You split your ship into two parts, separated by a long cable, and spin the thing for the trip to and from Mars. I don't know if this way is preferable, since that it will require the spacecraft to spin around while traveling. Then there's the fact that people tend to forget, that spacecrafts are travelling at a high speed and that space is NOT empty, where's the deflector dish? And also the physical illness of long term stay in space are not also due the lack of gravity influences or lack of gravity-like influences. Of course, physical problems isn't the only thing, since there're also mental and social problems with people being separated from their community so long. If it turns out such a solution is necessary, it would be nice to know about this as far in advance as possible so prototype designs can be built and tested in LEO. Jeff |
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Doug... wrote in message ...
Yeah -- I half-expected to see a line like "NASA consultant Bob Haller said, 'We're never going to fly anyone for that long -- it's an invitation to disaster! Hell, just going into space is too risky. We should just sit and shove our thumbs up our own asses and let countries who have no respect for my definition of 'safety' risk THEIR necks exploring space." Actually, getting to space is WAY TOO risky. What person in a right mind would sit in a vehicle with oversized firecrackers strapped to it? What person in a right mind would stay in cans for months, even up to a year? But seriously, there does seem to be a bad rash of chicken-little thinking going on here. If Chiao doesn't want to be away from his family for a whole year, **** him -- find one of the astronauts who doesn't mind and give the flight to him/her. Or... Maybe send his whole family up there with him? Astronauts always wish that they got their family with them. Maybe the start of space tourism should start with astronauts taking their whole family or at least some members of their family with them. But then again, there's the "Swiss Family Robinson in Space" If the doctors are playing chicken little, find doctors who can judge based on the facts and not their "gut feelings" on the subject. 'Gut feeling' is what keep us safe from doing unnecessary things. Actually, all of us have gut feelings of NOT getting into a rocket and blast off. Now whether this is good or bad, it's up for one to decide by oneself. There's also some truths to be know, they are 'someone don't know everything' and 'there are somethings that are meant to be left unknown'. Then again, America is becoming a gutless society whose members would rather sit in locked homes in terror that some bearded monkey might fly an airliner into their neighborhood Er.... I don't think that Uncle Sam would want to do that, or would he? http://www.uni-marburg.de/anatomie/l.../uncle-sam.gif Or maybe is this bearded monkey instead? http://www.savethemales.ca/osama.gif Oh well... It doesn't matter, both serves the same master anyway, and both acted only as a mere publicity tool while the real mastermind actually done all the work, http://www.savethemales.ca/251102.html Or maybe it was a bunch of monkeys playing around with remote controlled aircrafts? http://geocities.com/mknemesis/homerun.html than go out and live their lives -- so this decision doesn't surprise me in the least. Doubtful, since Americans are still doing their everyday lives, though recently they are sure been terrorized by the news, corporate actions, organizations actions, and governments actions. Doug |
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"JimO" wrote: In principle, couldn't qualified ESA 'Soyuz commanders' such as Reiter or Haignere be the commander? Are the ESA astronauts trained up as full Soyuz commanders? I understood they were only return commanders, trained to undock and land but not rendevous and docking. Anthony -- | Weather prediction will never be accurate until we | | kill all the butterflies | |
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