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Could Global Warming be the Savior of Humanity?
Please look at the following two 'versions' of Earth. One is our past and ...future. Earth 18,000 years ago http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/last_glacial_max.html Earth present day http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/pr...erglacial.html A Brief History of Ice Ages and Warming "Except for two relatively brief interglacial episodes, one peaking about 125,000 years ago (Eemian Interglacial), and the other beginning about 18,000 years ago (Present Interglacial), the Earth has been under siege of ice for the last 160,000 years." The reigning climate pattern is where the Earth spends roughly 100,000 years in a deep ice age, followed by a brief period of some 15 or 20 thousand warmer years where life explodes. The last ice age ended some.....18,000 years ago....btw. As far as I know, there's no good explanation for this ice age cycle. Which would imply....strongly imply.. the cause is some as yet unknown astronomical change. So when this occurs some century soon, humanity needs to be ready, and have the ability to quickly and effectively respond...one way of the other. Regardless if the future is too warm, or too cold. This leads me to what might seem like a contradiction. I don't believe the current climate change is such a menace to our future, all things considered. But I do agree that the world should collectively begin gaining the ability to manage the biosphere. Which requires the nations of the world to be able to manage..themselves..first. The answer to climate change is...social change. World-wide freedom and democracy! Climate change will cause the extinction of the ...dictatorships of the world. And to our great benefit! Imho! Jonathan Global Warming a Chilling Perspective http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html |
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So, if you're in a loosing situation, like falling from high place
without a parachute, realize that it could be a good thing. At least, this will keep your mind busy, until you hit the ground. On Jan 17, 5:00*pm, "Jonathan" wrote: Please look at the following two 'versions' of Earth. One is our past and ...future. Earth 18,000 years agohttp://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/last_glacial_max.html Earth present dayhttp://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/present_interglacial.html A Brief History of Ice Ages and Warming "Except for two relatively brief interglacial episodes, one peaking about 125,000 years ago (Eemian Interglacial), and the other beginning about 18,000 years ago (Present Interglacial), the Earth has been under siege of ice for the last 160,000 years." The reigning climate pattern is where the Earth spends roughly 100,000 years in a deep ice age, followed by a brief period of some 15 or 20 thousand warmer years where life explodes. The last ice age ended some.....18,000 years ago....btw. As far as I know, there's no good explanation for this ice age cycle. Which would imply....strongly imply.. the cause is some as yet unknown astronomical change. So when this occurs some century soon, humanity needs to be ready, and have the ability to quickly and effectively respond...one way of the other. *Regardless if the future is too warm, or too cold. This leads me to what might seem like a contradiction. I don't believe the current climate change is such a menace to our future, all things considered. But I do agree that the world should collectively begin gaining the ability to manage the biosphere. Which requires the nations of the world to be able to manage..themselves..first. The answer to climate change is...social change. World-wide freedom and democracy! Climate change will cause the extinction of the ...dictatorships of the world. And to our great benefit! Imho! Jonathan Global Warming a Chilling Perspectivehttp://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html |
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Could Global Warming be the Savior of Humanity?
"Roger Coppock" wrote in message ... So, if you're in a loosing situation, like falling from high place without a parachute, realize that it could be a good thing. At least, this will keep your mind busy, until you hit the ground. You only read the subject line, right ~ |
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In alt.philosophy Roger Coppock wrote:
So, if you're in a loosing situation, like falling from high place without a parachute, realize that it could be a good thing. At least, this will keep your mind busy, until you hit the ground. .... It's part of the bargaining phase. -- [pain trumps unconsciousness:] In your ER apparently you treat gallstones before asystole. It depends upon how long the asystole state has been, doesn't it. -- John Stafford , 08 Dec 2010 14:39:38 -0600 |
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On Jan 17, 5:00*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
Please look at the following two 'versions' of Earth. One is our past and ...future. Earth 18,000 years ago http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/la...cial_max..html Earth present day http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/pr...erglacial.html A Brief History of Ice Ages and Warming "Except for two relatively brief interglacial episodes, one peaking about 125,000 years ago (Eemian Interglacial), and the other beginning about 18,000 years ago (Present Interglacial), the Earth has been under siege of ice for the last 160,000 years." The reigning climate pattern is where the Earth spends roughly 100,000 years in a deep ice age, followed by a brief period of some 15 or 20 thousand warmer years where life explodes. The last ice age ended some.....18,000 years ago....btw. As far as I know, there's no good explanation for this ice age cycle. Which would imply....strongly imply.. the cause is some as yet unknown astronomical change. So when this occurs some century soon, humanity needs to be ready, and have the ability to quickly and effectively respond...one way of the other. *Regardless if the future is too warm, or too cold. This leads me to what might seem like a contradiction. I don't believe the current climate change is such a menace to our future, all things considered. But I do agree that the world should collectively begin gaining the ability to manage the biosphere. Which requires the nations of the world to be able to manage..themselves..first. The answer to climate change is...social change. World-wide freedom and democracy! Climate change will cause the extinction of the ...dictatorships of the world. And to our great benefit! Imho! Jonathan Global Warming a Chilling Perspective http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html That's actually a good way of putting a positive spin on GW and AGW. A little further down the road of GW and AGW as well as a global failing biodiversity, there's also the demise of affordable hydrocarbons that's going to change the mindsets and priorities of those intent on surviving. Remaining world reserves of natural gas, oil and even coal are not going to be easy nor cheap to obtain without continued environmental risk (including collateral damage to property, humans and the global biodiversity that’s currently failing us). Expect another energy speculation frenzy unless newer technology gives us viable alternatives for obtaining more hydrocarbons from existing fields plus uncovering new ones, as well as the world utilizing less per person at the same time (good luck with accomplishing that lat one). The good news is that natural gas reserves will likely outlast oil reserves by a few decades at best, but then what? Global reserves of natural gas: 250e12 m3 Natural gas consumption is roughly at 3.25e12 m3 250e12/3.25e12 = 77 years So as always, better technology has to locate and extract more natural gas, or else, because 77 years is not exactly out of sight. No doubt going deeper and drilling thousands of additional wells (many of which having to seismic fracture the Earth and contaminate ground water) should keep us going for perhaps at best another couple centuries, though we’re talking spendy and environmentally risky. However, as the oil runs out is when the consumption of natural gas will surge and it’s reserves will suddenly vanish in as little as half the time unless some other form of energy becomes the norm instead of hydrocarbons via natural gas, oil or synfuel from coal. Food will have become too valuable for large scale biofuel usage, so that’s not exactly offering any long-term solution unless we all start eating less and wasting little or nothing, including recycled poop as topsoil instead of continued ocean dumping. Switching everything over to non-hydrocarbons (as having been suggested by William Mook and even Steven Chu for more than the past decade), and mostly because of those existing Big Energy cabals and cartels is most likely going to keep it pendy as well as less convenient for obtaining, distribution and end-use. In other words, expect the unexpected and always be prepared to pay dearly for it. Even Mook’s solar derived hydrogen plus other secondary elements isn’t likely to come at half as cheap as Mook keeps suggesting, but even at ten fold the price per energy unit is still going to be better than nothing, and at least Mook energy is going to be environmentally friendly. Of course we could have stretched our conventional hydrocarbon energy up to ten fold by simply creating and using h2o2 from solar and other renewable surplus energy, plus using only a little of that precious hydrocarbon fuel, because this too would have been environmentally friendly and otherwise offering an extremely high density form of liquid oxidizer and fuel, as well as providing terrific battery density or rather fuel-cell alternatives. Global reserves of oil: Possibly at best 2.5e12 barrels (not including oil that takes nearly as much energy to extract as it’s worth, because there’s lots of that sandy muck or complex shale alternatives that are not hardly worth the effort at little better than energy breakeven by the time everything is taken into consideration). At the current increase in global consumption, that’s offering us a good 64 years worth (possibly a century with extreme conservation measures due mostly to its much higher cost), and otherwise there’s synfuel from coal that may not add a century because of global consumption of coal that’s currently exceeding 8 billion tonnes per year isn’t going to subside any time soon, whereas instead the all-inclusive consumption of coal will likely increase at double the pace of world population growth that’s expanding at greater than a percent per year, plus the growing population of older folks don’t like to be cold or without many other benefits that take energy in order to sustain. Future wars are also likely to consume and/or destroy up to half of whatever’s left, and conventional nuclear energy isn’t going to become suddenly failsafe unless it switches over to thorium. Extracting coal, dealing with its messy processing and consumption or conversions into synfuel isn’t going to buy us more than another century at best (after that it’ll just become too spendy and/or too bloody). In other words, like Usenet/newsgroup contributor “Warhol” and other doom and gloom messengers having said, essentially it’s only a matter of time that’s quickly running out before the have-nots (many of them Muslim) take matters into their own hands in order to survive, especially when our puppet governments are unable to command their own national hydrocarbon reserves and the general public is being extorted by Big Energy that has other plans which do not necessarily include looking after the lower 99%. Adding 220,000 new humans to feed per day is also going to push this food thing over the edge. Even if population growth were 0.1%/year is still 19,000 per day more than current supplies can manage to feed without undesirable consequences. Perhaps a global culling of humanity isn't too far fetched, as those Georgia Guidestones suggested the need for having a maximum global population of less than 500 million. With failed crops, millions of dead fish plus thousands of tonnes worth of other unusable seafood, plus seeing large numbers of cows dropping like flies, perhaps something has to give, especially when the stormy wrath of nature is taking a greater bite out of productive land and later fresh water resources being limited or nonexistent when crops and livestock need it worse than ever. Myself , William Mook and Steven Chu have offered a few valid solutions, as I’m certain the proven perseverance of Muslims and Moors have had their traditional methods of surviving without dependence on commercial hydrocarbons. However, if we procrastinate by waiting long enough, perhaps it will not hardly matter when there's hardly enough of anything left to go around, and perhaps if I were a god of Earth, I'd be very angry at those responsible for neglecting this global need for affordably clean energy that has been technically doable. Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” |
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Could Global Warming be the Savior of Humanity?
Woger Coppock wrote:
So, if you're in a loosing situation, like falling from high place without a parachute, realize that it could be a good thing. At least, this will keep your mind busy, until you hit the ground. Or, if you'we standing safe in youw back yawd, and some jumped-up buffoon tells you you'we falling, wealize that you'we being lied to by some simple minded fwuitcake. That's you, Woger. -- ): "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" (: Off the monitor, through the modem, nothing but net |
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On Jan 17, 6:00*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
"Roger Coppock" wrote in message ... So, if you're in a loosing situation, like falling from high place without a parachute, realize that it could be a good thing. *At least, this will keep your mind busy, until you hit the ground. You only read the subject line, right ~ "people tend to make the best of something they know is bound to happen" The Psychology of Inevitability George Bernard Shaw was hard hit by his father's alcoholism, but he tried to make light of it. He once wrote: "If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it dance." In a sense, dissonance theory describes the ways people have of making their skeletons dance—of trying to live with unpleasant outcomes. This is particularly true when a situation arises that is both negative and inevitable. Here people attempt to make the best of things by cognitively minimizing the unpleasantness of the situation. In one experiment, Jack Brehm got children to volunteer to eat a vegetable they had previously said they disliked a lot. After they had eaten the vegetable, the experimenter led half of the children to believe they could expect to eat much more of that vegetable in the future; the remaining children were not so informed. The children who were led to believe it was inevitable that they would be eating the vegetable in the future succeeded in convincing themselves that the vegetable was not so bad. In short, the cognition "I dislike that vegetable" is dissonant with the cognition "I will be eating that vegetable in the future." In order to reduce the dissonance, the children came to believe the vegetable was really not as noxious as they had previously thought. John Darley and Ellen Berscheid showed that the same phenomenon works with people as well as vegetables. In their experiment, college women volunteered to participate in a series of meetings in which each student would be discussing her sexual behavior and sexual standards with another woman whom she didn't know. Before beginning these discussion sessions, each participant was given two folders. Each folder contained a personality description of a young woman who had supposedly volunteered for the same experience; the descriptions contained a mixture of pleasant and unpleasant characteristics. Half of the participants were led to believe they were going to interact with the young women described in folder A, and the remaining participants were led to believe they were going to interact with the one described in folder B. Before actually meeting these women, the participants were asked to evaluate each of them on the basis of the personality descriptions they had read. Those who felt it was inevitable that they were going to share their intimate secrets with the young woman described in folder A found her much more appealing than the one described in folder B, whereas those who believed they had to interact with the young woman described in folder B found her much more appealing. Just as with vegetables, inevitability makes the heart grow fonder. The knowledge that one is inevitably going to be spending time with another person enhances the positive aspects of that person—or at least deemphasizes his or her negative aspects. In short, people tend to make the best of something they know is bound to happen. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0716733129/ An Example from the Civil Rights decades; http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...81e9ae3bd4cc5e |
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On Jan 17, 8:58*pm, Roger Coppock wrote:
So, if you're in a loosing situation, like falling from high place without a parachute, realize that it could be a good thing. *At least, this will keep your mind busy, until you hit the ground. On Jan 17, 5:00*pm, "Jonathan" wrote: Please look at the following two 'versions' of Earth. One is our past and ...future. Earth 18,000 years agohttp://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/last_glacial_max.html Earth present dayhttp://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/present_interglacial..html A Brief History of Ice Ages and Warming "Except for two relatively brief interglacial episodes, one peaking about 125,000 years ago (Eemian Interglacial), and the other beginning about 18,000 years ago (Present Interglacial), the Earth has been under siege of ice for the last 160,000 years." The reigning climate pattern is where the Earth spends roughly 100,000 years in a deep ice age, followed by a brief period of some 15 or 20 thousand warmer years where life explodes. The last ice age ended some.....18,000 years ago....btw. As far as I know, there's no good explanation for this ice age cycle. Which would imply....strongly imply.. the cause is some as yet unknown astronomical change. So when this occurs some century soon, humanity needs to be ready, and have the ability to quickly and effectively respond...one way of the other. *Regardless if the future is too warm, or too cold. This leads me to what might seem like a contradiction. I don't believe the current climate change is such a menace to our future, all things considered. But I do agree that the world should collectively begin gaining the ability to manage the biosphere. Which requires the nations of the world to be able to manage..themselves..first. The answer to climate change is...social change. World-wide freedom and democracy! Climate change will cause the extinction of the ...dictatorships of the world. And to our great benefit! Imho! Jonathan Global Warming a Chilling Perspectivehttp://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And Roger Coppock moves from third place up to second place in the Bad Analogy Championships. Keep up the "good work." |
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On Jan 17, 10:40*pm, Immortalist wrote:
On Jan 17, 6:00*pm, "Jonathan" wrote: "Roger Coppock" wrote in message .... So, if you're in a loosing situation, like falling from high place without a parachute, realize that it could be a good thing. *At least, this will keep your mind busy, until you hit the ground. You only read the subject line, right ~ "people tend to make the best of something they know is bound to happen" The Psychology of Inevitability George Bernard Shaw was hard hit by his father's alcoholism, but he tried to make light of it. He once wrote: "If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it dance." In a sense, dissonance theory describes the ways people have of making their skeletons dance—of trying to live with unpleasant outcomes. This is particularly true when a situation arises that is both negative and inevitable. Here people attempt to make the best of things by cognitively minimizing the unpleasantness of the situation. In one experiment, Jack Brehm got children to volunteer to eat a vegetable they had previously said they disliked a lot. After they had eaten the vegetable, the experimenter led half of the children to believe they could expect to eat much more of that vegetable in the future; the remaining children were not so informed. The children who were led to believe it was inevitable that they would be eating the vegetable in the future succeeded in convincing themselves that the vegetable was not so bad. In short, the cognition "I dislike that vegetable" is dissonant with the cognition "I will be eating that vegetable in the future." In order to reduce the dissonance, the children came to believe the vegetable was really not as noxious as they had previously thought. John Darley and Ellen Berscheid showed that the same phenomenon works with people as well as vegetables. In their experiment, college women volunteered to participate in a series of meetings in which each student would be discussing her sexual behavior and sexual standards with another woman whom she didn't know. Before beginning these discussion sessions, each participant was given two folders. Each folder contained a personality description of a young woman who had supposedly volunteered for the same experience; the descriptions contained a mixture of pleasant and unpleasant characteristics. Half of the participants were led to believe they were going to interact with the young women described in folder A, and the remaining participants were led to believe they were going to interact with the one described in folder B. Before actually meeting these women, the participants were asked to evaluate each of them on the basis of the personality descriptions they had read. Those who felt it was inevitable that they were going to share their intimate secrets with the young woman described in folder A found her much more appealing than the one described in folder B, whereas those who believed they had to interact with the young woman described in folder B found her much more appealing. Just as with vegetables, inevitability makes the heart grow fonder. The knowledge that one is inevitably going to be spending time with another person enhances the positive aspects of that person—or at least deemphasizes his or her negative aspects. In short, people tend to make the best of something they know is bound to happen. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0716733129/ An Example from the Civil Rights decades;http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...81e9ae3bd4cc5e But what does all this mean philosophically? So, we lick this energy crisis. What next? Our time remains limited, though we stretch it out as much as possible. so, we get to survive another 100 years...or a thousand...or ten thousand. It remains inevitable that someday, humanity will be looking at it's last day of existence. Or is this wrong thinking? It seems to me we only get a "MOMENT" here...though that moment is not defined exactly [days, years, or tens of thousands of years?]. But a moment is still...only momentary. Does this not change our philosophical purview of things? How does any creature make the BEST of their moment? By spending it trying to stretch it out? Perhaps. No one wants to die. It's just a question I have; perhaps a rehash of the grasshopper versus the ant conundrum? An old book title written by Robert Heinlein always stuck in my head, "Time Enough for Love". Not sure if it is applicable, but makes me think nonetheless. |
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So, if you're in a loosing situation,
Also known as the news: "THE SKY IS FALLING!!!" like falling from high place Like a white castle. without a parachute, Or a government grant. realize that it could be a good thing. Nothing is good. Taking a crap is evil on the earth. *At least, this will keep your mind busy, until you hit the ground. Don't worry, they'll always be a global crisis to gloat over. It's part of the bargaining phase. We're all gonna die one day. Get over it already? |
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