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40th Anniversary of 2001:A Space Odyssey
Andre Lieven wrote: I've heard that Chloris Leachman said similar things about some of her best work on Blazing Saddles. I kind of hate to tell you this, but that was Madeline Kahn in Blazing Saddles....Cloris Leachman was in Young Frankenstein, and did do a slam-dunk job in that part, although just about everyone else was out shown by Gene Hackman's cameo as the blind man. How he ended up in that movie is that he and Gene Wilder used to play tennis together, and Hackman said he wanted to play some small part in the movie. Wilder was amazed that he wanted anything to do with something like that. I love how they leave the Espresso scene to the viewer's imagination... if he can wreak that much havoc with soup, just imagine him with live steam. :-D This isn't exactly helped by the fact that the people on the Moon in the movie walk and move as if they are at full Earth gravity, rather than 1/6 G, so you might think they are on the surface of some other planet that has near Earth strength gravity. There were, after all, limits to 1968 SPFX technology. Plus, don't forget, as of 1968, no member of the public had yet seen humans walking on the Moon, so there was nothing immediate to visually compare to. Except other science fiction movies, and a lot of times they had people jumping around in the low lunar gravity as a staple. I think the Disney "Man In Space" series of programs made most people realize that the gravity on the Moon was far lower, and you could leap around. Considering all the trouble Kubrick went to to simulate weightlessness, leaving the low Gs out of the few lunar scenes was a little odd. Pat |
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40th Anniversary of 2001:A Space Odyssey
Pat Flannery wrote:
Andre Lieven wrote: The aliens in 2001, we got nothing. I wonder if that non depiction in 2001 inspired Carl Sagan, both in his Cosmos sensawunda and in not showing the aliens in Contact - we only saw one human form manifestation of them. They did think about putting them in the movie, but couldn't decide what they should look like. There's one scene during the "big trip" at the end where the space pod is being escorted by flying tetrahedral things; I always wondered if those were the aliens. Those were the same tetrahedral things that Homer Simpson saw when sitting in a massage chair at The Sharper Image. Now can we reconcile the differences between the universes of Asimov's robots, 2001, and The Simpsons? :-) Paul |
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40th Anniversary of 2001:A Space Odyssey
Andre Lieven writes:
There were, after all, limits to 1968 SPFX technology. Plus, don't forget, as of 1968, no member of the public had yet seen humans walking on the Moon, so there was nothing immediate to visually compare to. And they spent liberally when needed. The jogging around Discovery scene was only possible by what they did: building the whole set as an enormous hamster wheel and rotating at the speed he jogged. One issue was they found that the Kleig lights tended to explode when inverted while hot. So as a result, glass would rain down during a take... -- A host is a host from coast to & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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40th Anniversary of 2001:A Space Odyssey
On Apr 6, 10:57 am, Pat Flannery wrote:
Andre Lieven wrote: I've heard that Chloris Leachman said similar things about some of her best work on Blazing Saddles. I kind of hate to tell you this, but that was Madeline Kahn in Blazing Saddles....Cloris Leachman was in Young Frankenstein, and did do a slam-dunk job in that part, although just about everyone else was out shown by Gene Hackman's cameo as the blind man. My bad, I was thinking of Leachman in Young Frankenstein. We recently saw a documentary about the making of Young F and it talked about Cloris having great takes ruined because the crew, including the camera guy, was laughing so hard from her performance that she later said that none of her best takes made it to the film for that reason. How he ended up in that movie is that he and Gene Wilder used to play tennis together, and Hackman said he wanted to play some small part in the movie. Wilder was amazed that he wanted anything to do with something like that. I love how they leave the Espresso scene to the viewer's imagination... if he can wreak that much havoc with soup, just imagine him with live steam. :-D Exactly. Thats at the core of really great comedy, or really great stroytelling, in leaving *just enough* unshown/untold so as to let your audience's imaginations take them the rest of the way there. This isn't exactly helped by the fact that the people on the Moon in the movie walk and move as if they are at full Earth gravity, rather than 1/6 G, so you might think they are on the surface of some other planet that has near Earth strength gravity. There were, after all, limits to 1968 SPFX technology. Plus, don't forget, as of 1968, no member of the public had yet seen humans walking on the Moon, so there was nothing immediate to visually compare to. Except other science fiction movies, and a lot of times they had people jumping around in the low lunar gravity as a staple. I think the Disney "Man In Space" series of programs made most people realize that the gravity on the Moon was far lower, and you could leap around. Considering all the trouble Kubrick went to to simulate weightlessness, leaving the low Gs out of the few lunar scenes was a little odd. Perhaps. It may also be that those were all in the earlier parts of the film, and that he saw the later part, from Discovery onwards, as being more of the meat of the story. Andre |
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40th Anniversary of 2001:A Space Odyssey
On Apr 6, 12:22 pm, David Lesher wrote:
Andre Lieven writes: There were, after all, limits to 1968 SPFX technology. Plus, don't forget, as of 1968, no member of the public had yet seen humans walking on the Moon, so there was nothing immediate to visually compare to. And they spent liberally when needed. The jogging around Discovery scene was only possible by what they did: building the whole set as an enormous hamster wheel and rotating at the speed he jogged. Yep, and thats the one major set that they didn't try to rebuild for 2010. It was a very ambitious set, and it created the needed illusion. One issue was they found that the Kleig lights tended to explode when inverted while hot. So as a result, glass would rain down during a take... Bring umbrellas. g Andre |
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40th Anniversary of 2001:A Space Odyssey
Andre Lieven writes:
On Apr 5, 9:46 pm, Pat Flannery wrote: David Lesher wrote: Kubrick's best-remembered film won't be that; Kubrick's perfect legacy will be "Dr. Strangelove"... one of the most brilliantly funny movies ever made. Sure. More to the point, its a satire of a topic that most people would have previously bet was unsatirisable, nuclear war. I would call The Mouse That Roared more of a farce, in the strict sense. Although ... Billy Wilder had, apparently, in the late 50s toyed around with the idea of reuniting the Marx Brothers to make a ``Duck Soup for the Nuclear Age'' movie. When we get the cross-time trade routes set up, I want to get a look at *that* movie. -- Joseph Nebus ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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40th Anniversary of 2001:A Space Odyssey
In article xcudncb4nqFNTmvanZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@northdakotatelep hone,
says... BTW...who paid for the station's construction? It doesn't look cheap by any stretch of the imagination to build, and seems to support both private and government-controlled space operations from all around the world. Who put forward the capital outlay for its construction? The same folks who paid for Disney World in Florida? -- Kevin Willoughby lid Kansas City, this was Air Force One. Will you change our call sign to SAM 27000? -- Col. Ralph Albertazzie |
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40th Anniversary of 2001:A Space Odyssey
In article GcednVMikdrigGXanZ2dnUVZ_vyinZ2d@northdakotatelep hone,
says... Kubrick's best-remembered film won't be that; Kubrick's perfect legacy will be "Dr. Strangelove"... one of the most brilliantly funny movies ever made. Also one of the most pornographic. I've been long amazed that Lolita was nearly sexless, but just the opening credits of Strangelove is arguably the most explicit sexual scene of any major motion picture, ever. The long cylindrical forms of the airframes, the flying probe and drogue. And, at the moment of completion, that little visible spurt of the fluids from the one on top with the probe to the one underneath who was accepting the fluids of life... (Yes, even more more explicit than the famous orgy sequence of Eyes Wide Shut.) -- Kevin Willoughby lid Kansas City, this was Air Force One. Will you change our call sign to SAM 27000? -- Col. Ralph Albertazzie |
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40th Anniversary of 2001:A Space Odyssey
On Apr 6, 9:01 am, Pat Flannery wrote:
Andre Lieven wrote: The aliens in2001, we got nothing. I wonder if that non depiction in 2001inspiredCarlSagan,bothinhisCosmossensawundaan d in not showing the aliens in Contact - we only saw one human form manifestation of them. It is interesting, in Stanley Kubrick: A Biography: Vincent Lobrutto...... Lubrutto relates the story that Clarke , knowing Sagan, invited Sagan to have dinner with Kubrick and Clarke in early 1965. Discussion turned to how to represent the 'Monolith Makers' in 2001.... Clarke was for some kind of humanoid aliens, Kubrick non-humanoid aliens, Sagan thought this over and said something like, 'well guys this alien civilization is at least 4 million years old, (maybe older)... too many unknowns and unpredictables about their representation, why ever show them at all? Actually Kubrick strove throughout 1967 to still find some representation, in the end he took Sagan's advice. |
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