My Cloudy Nights Review of the Televue-60 APO . . .

"Macspert" wrote in message
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An $800.00 finder?... small useless luxury goods,
{Deleted most of the diatribe}

Then again these *useless luxury goods* give other people jobs, people who
might otherwise be unemployed. Did you say your last name was Lenin.
Oscar

"Macspert" wrote in message
news
An $800.00 finder?... small useless luxury goods,
{Deleted most of the diatribe}

Then again these *useless luxury goods* give other people jobs, people who
might otherwise be unemployed. Did you say your last name was Lenin.
Oscar

(Fr Chas) wrote in message ...

I do agree one needs a quality finder and nobody seems to be
fulfilling that need in the 60 to 90mm other than Lumicon.

The ST80 makes a mighty nice finder at a mighty attractive price.
Better than the Lumicon by a fair margin, in my experience.

- Tony Flanders

(Fr Chas) wrote in message ...

I do agree one needs a quality finder and nobody seems to be
fulfilling that need in the 60 to 90mm other than Lumicon.

The ST80 makes a mighty nice finder at a mighty attractive price.
Better than the Lumicon by a fair margin, in my experience.

- Tony Flanders

(Fr Chas) wrote in message ...

I do agree one needs a quality finder and nobody seems to be
fulfilling that need in the 60 to 90mm other than Lumicon.

The ST80 makes a mighty nice finder at a mighty attractive price.
Better than the Lumicon by a fair margin, in my experience.

- Tony Flanders

An $800.00 finder?

That's what around $400 an inch?


You have to be kidding. Who is kidding who? Is the whole world going
crazy or is it just me for objecting to this sort of conspicuous
consumption on relatively useless goods?

My guess is that you probably just don't understand the market for a scope like
this.

In my view, this scope is probably best suited as a birding scope. While other
TeleVue scopes have historically been highly regarded for birding (considered
the standard for comparison) and as terrestrial scopes in general, they are too
big to be great all around birding scopes, they weigh too much and the tripod
required is just too big.

But this scope changes all that. Only 10 inches long, this 60mm F6 APO using
mirror diagonals will produce extremely sharp images and should do better IMHO
than the traditional birding scopes which use complex prism systems to erect
the image.

Since the scope only has a 360mm focal length, a 24mm 66 degree FOV eyepiece
should provide a nice sharp widefield view of 15X and 4.4. degrees. And being
an APO, false color should not be a problem at higher magnifications.

A larger scope like the Pronto or 76 can do the same thing but will require
heavier 32mm eyepiece and since in most cases the effective aperture is set by
the observers pupil rather than the scope, there is nothing gained by going to
the larger scope.

So, yeah, $800 is a fair amount of money for a bare 60mm scope. But if that
scope promises to out perform the traditional scopes out there (and some of
those are $1500+) then it may well be a great bargin.

Sometimes less is more.....

jon

An $800.00 finder?

That's what around $400 an inch?


You have to be kidding. Who is kidding who? Is the whole world going
crazy or is it just me for objecting to this sort of conspicuous
consumption on relatively useless goods?

My guess is that you probably just don't understand the market for a scope like
this.

In my view, this scope is probably best suited as a birding scope. While other
TeleVue scopes have historically been highly regarded for birding (considered
the standard for comparison) and as terrestrial scopes in general, they are too
big to be great all around birding scopes, they weigh too much and the tripod
required is just too big.

But this scope changes all that. Only 10 inches long, this 60mm F6 APO using
mirror diagonals will produce extremely sharp images and should do better IMHO
than the traditional birding scopes which use complex prism systems to erect
the image.

Since the scope only has a 360mm focal length, a 24mm 66 degree FOV eyepiece
should provide a nice sharp widefield view of 15X and 4.4. degrees. And being
an APO, false color should not be a problem at higher magnifications.

A larger scope like the Pronto or 76 can do the same thing but will require
heavier 32mm eyepiece and since in most cases the effective aperture is set by
the observers pupil rather than the scope, there is nothing gained by going to
the larger scope.

So, yeah, $800 is a fair amount of money for a bare 60mm scope. But if that
scope promises to out perform the traditional scopes out there (and some of
those are $1500+) then it may well be a great bargin.

Sometimes less is more.....

jon

An $800.00 finder?

That's what around $400 an inch?


You have to be kidding. Who is kidding who? Is the whole world going
crazy or is it just me for objecting to this sort of conspicuous
consumption on relatively useless goods?

My guess is that you probably just don't understand the market for a scope like
this.

In my view, this scope is probably best suited as a birding scope. While other
TeleVue scopes have historically been highly regarded for birding (considered
the standard for comparison) and as terrestrial scopes in general, they are too
big to be great all around birding scopes, they weigh too much and the tripod
required is just too big.

But this scope changes all that. Only 10 inches long, this 60mm F6 APO using
mirror diagonals will produce extremely sharp images and should do better IMHO
than the traditional birding scopes which use complex prism systems to erect
the image.

Since the scope only has a 360mm focal length, a 24mm 66 degree FOV eyepiece
should provide a nice sharp widefield view of 15X and 4.4. degrees. And being
an APO, false color should not be a problem at higher magnifications.

A larger scope like the Pronto or 76 can do the same thing but will require
heavier 32mm eyepiece and since in most cases the effective aperture is set by
the observers pupil rather than the scope, there is nothing gained by going to
the larger scope.

So, yeah, $800 is a fair amount of money for a bare 60mm scope. But if that
scope promises to out perform the traditional scopes out there (and some of
those are $1500+) then it may well be a great bargin.

Sometimes less is more.....

jon

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:22:33 GMT, "Oscar"
wrote:


"Macspert" wrote in message
news
An $800.00 finder?... small useless luxury goods,
{Deleted most of the diatribe}

Then again these *useless luxury goods* give other people jobs, people who
might otherwise be unemployed. Did you say your last name was Lenin.
Oscar

That's, supposed to be a clever insult? It's 2004 and the only argument you
have going is to call someone a commie? No doubt you have three basic
responses to anything you don't agree with, the person is either a fag, a
commie or a Jew. Three all purpose responses that serve to protect you
small , narrow mind against thought.

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:22:33 GMT, "Oscar"
wrote:


"Macspert" wrote in message
news
An $800.00 finder?... small useless luxury goods,
{Deleted most of the diatribe}

Then again these *useless luxury goods* give other people jobs, people who
might otherwise be unemployed. Did you say your last name was Lenin.
Oscar

That's, supposed to be a clever insult? It's 2004 and the only argument you
have going is to call someone a commie? No doubt you have three basic
responses to anything you don't agree with, the person is either a fag, a
commie or a Jew. Three all purpose responses that serve to protect you
small , narrow mind against thought.