Novice grade question/theory

Group,

In my youth there was a magazine, *Saturday Evening Post* and frequently
there was an article by an author I can't remember, but they were always
about mathematical things like mobius strips, and the like.

So what I have bouncing around my tiny brain is the thought that perhaps the
universe has the construct of a Klein Bottle or some other device that can
have thickness but only one surface and no edges. This would allow for the
perception of expansion in every direction, red shifts, no center of
expansion, etc. It also allows for a finite system to appear infinite.

Am I way off the scale here or maybe just a little bit possibly right?

I have always had a big problem with the concept of where the universe was
expanding into. the answer, "time", is unsatisfying to me ( which doesn't
mean it is the *wrong* answer.)

Before I press the send icon I will don my kevlar skivvies and await your
responses.

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Group,

In my youth there was a magazine, *Saturday Evening Post* and frequently
there was an article by an author I can't remember, but they were always
about mathematical things like mobius strips, and the like.

So what I have bouncing around my tiny brain is the thought that perhaps the
universe has the construct of a Klein Bottle or some other device that can
have thickness but only one surface and no edges. This would allow for the
perception of expansion in every direction, red shifts, no center of
expansion, etc. It also allows for a finite system to appear infinite.

Am I way off the scale here or maybe just a little bit possibly right?

I have always had a big problem with the concept of where the universe was
expanding into. the answer, "time", is unsatisfying to me ( which doesn't
mean it is the *wrong* answer.)

A quick Google search confirms that cosmologists have certainly looked
at the idea that the universe may be like a Klein bottle, or some other
exotic shape. But I don't think there's any evidence yet that the
universe isn't a simple "flat" topology.
AIUI, the universe isn't expanding "into" anything. I'll stop here
before I get a headache :-)

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Group,

In my youth there was a magazine, *Saturday Evening Post* and
frequently
there was an article by an author I can't remember, but they were
always
about mathematical things like mobius strips, and the like.

So what I have bouncing around my tiny brain is the thought that
perhaps the
universe has the construct of a Klein Bottle or some other device
that can
have thickness but only one surface and no edges. This would allow
for the
perception of expansion in every direction, red shifts, no center
of
expansion, etc. It also allows for a finite system to appear
infinite.

Am I way off the scale here or maybe just a little bit possibly
right?

I have always had a big problem with the concept of where the
universe was
expanding into. the answer, "time", is unsatisfying to me ( which
doesn't
mean it is the *wrong* answer.)

A quick Google search confirms that cosmologists have certainly
looked
at the idea that the universe may be like a Klein bottle, or some
other
exotic shape. But I don't think there's any evidence yet that the
universe isn't a simple "flat" topology.
AIUI, the universe isn't expanding "into" anything. I'll stop here
before I get a headache :-)

Who came up with the fractal universe hypothesis, in which our
universe is a particle within a larger universe, which in turn is part
of an even larger one, to infinity; and all constituent particles of
each universe contain smaller universes, to infinity? I seem to
remember reading about it somewhere.
One variation of that, I considered, is partially fractal, in
which each universe is a particle in a bigger universe, but for a
finite number of steps; the largest universe existing as a particle
inside the smallest one; the whole system consequently forming a ring
or closed loop.
Sometimes I find such thoughts a pleasant distraction from
everyday trivia. :-)

--
"Existence is merely a figment of your imagination."





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"Ian Smith" wrote in news:411e9c01$0
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Who came up with the fractal universe hypothesis, in which our
universe is a particle within a larger universe, which in turn is part
of an even larger one, to infinity; and all constituent particles of
each universe contain smaller universes, to infinity? I seem to
remember reading about it somewhere.
One variation of that, I considered, is partially fractal, in
which each universe is a particle in a bigger universe, but for a
finite number of steps; the largest universe existing as a particle
inside the smallest one; the whole system consequently forming a ring
or closed loop.

A cosmologist at the University of Hawaii Institute for Astronomy, Paul
Coleman, has done quite a bit with the idea of a fractal universe, but his
theories are far from universally (or even widely) accepted.