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Were liquid boosters on Shuttle ever realistic?
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says... On 2017-10-28 15:38, Jeff Findley wrote: So what? They're doing better at turning around recovered first stages to be re-flown faster than any of the competition The only "re-use" competition is the Shuttle and it wasn't a commercial endeavour. The space shuttle isn't competition, because every single orbiter is in a museum! SpaceX currently has zero (operational) competition when it comes to reusing flown first stages from orbital launches. Landing a just launched stage doesn't save any money. It costs money. Relative to the cost of manufacturing a new first stage, there is very little cost associated with recovering flown first stages. You're just being daft at this point. Launching a payload with a re-used stage 1 is what saves you money. Yes, and customers are switching to flown first stages in order to launch their payloads sooner. I've told you this several times now. But here is a cite since you seem unwilling to Google this yourself: Iridium swaps two new Falcon 9 rockets for ?flight-proven? boosters October 20, 2017 Stephen Clark https://spaceflightnow.com/2017/10/2...-new-falcon-9- rockets-for-flight-proven-boosters/ The Block 5 has improvements to the design to help with reuse. One could infer that those improvements are a sign that the current Falcon 9 is harder to re-use as the cheer leaders say it is. Bull****. Again, the first reuse cost them half the cost of building a new first stage. It's a proven fact that they're saving money with every used stage that is reflown. Yes, they're making improvements to make reuse easier and more economical, but the fact is that it's economical right now, even with the Block 3's that are only going to be reflown once each. SpaceX will only get better at this while the competition (aside from Blue Origin, who's still working on the BE-4 engine for New Glenn) are not even trying to reuse anything. The argument isn't whether SpaceX is ahead or other or not. The mere fact that they have demonstrated they can land a stage, and have re-used at least 1 stage means they are way ahead of anyone else. But that doesn't mean that they have proven that they can already quickly turn around every landed Falcon 9. So what? They're saving money on recovered stage that is reflown. That's what counts here. You're damning them because they're not yet to the "gas and go" stage even though they're the only company reflying stages and saving money doing it. That makes zero sense. Who the hell ****ed in your Cheerios? They've demonstrated the concept, they've demonstrated they can land stages, they have demonstrated they can refly at least 1 stage. But havent yet demonstrated they can have short turn around between landing pad and launch pad such that it allows high launch rate OF RE-USED STAGES. Just because it is very likely that they will be able to turn these around quickly doesn't translate to them having demonstrated it. Just because there are improvements coming that will make future refurb even easier doesn't mean that they have demonstrated it already. What they have now is still better than anyone else in the industry. The crush core is more likely to be used up on high energy launches. On a commecial aircraft, after a hard landing, the aircraft is put "off line" for inspections. So I would assume that if a crush core gets used up fully, the stage may require more time to be certified for reflight. I am not questioning the huge game changing advantage SpaceX has in having developped re-usable stages. Am not questioning that they have proven they can land stages and re-use at least 1. What they haven't proven yet is the ability to ramp up refurbishement to do quick turn around from landing pad to launch pad. It's too early for them to have demonstrated it. This is the eventual goal. Every refurbish and reflight they make gives them more data on how to do things better. Even if they never quite make it there with Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy, there is always BFR. At least they're trying. Blue Origin is the only other company trying, and they're still working on developing their BE-4 engine which they need for their orbital New Glenn launch vehicle. No other launch company (or government) on the planet is even attempting to do what SpaceX is doing today. I just don't get why you're ****ing on their unprecedented accomplishments. What's your point? Jeff -- All opinions posted by me on Usenet News are mine, and mine alone. These posts do not reflect the opinions of my family, friends, employer, or any organization that I am a member of. |
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