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Old July 24th 06, 04:38 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment,alt.politics.bush,alt.global-warming,alt.impeach.bush
Thomas Lee Elifritz
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This is hilarious :

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/07/22/233219.php

No, on second thought, it's just sad.

America appears to be a lost cause.

Texas - give it back to Mexico.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org
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Old July 25th 06, 11:17 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment,alt.politics.bush,alt.global-warming,alt.impeach.bush
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Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
This is hilarious :


http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/07/22/233219.php


No, on second thought, it's just sad.


Yes, it is unfortunate.

Even if the facts alleged were true - that the increase in human output
of greenhouse gases is less than normal natural variations in things
like solar output and volcanism in its effect on climate, it still
doesn't require "faith" to notice that the results of human activity
are the one thing that humans can control.

If harmful climate changes are taking place, and human action is
influencing things in a negative direction, it simply makes sense to
modify human activity so as to create an influence of a more positive
kind.

Of course, the consequences to humans of such *modifications* to human
activity also need to be considered, but since nuclear power has
already been invented, the idea that halting fossil fuel use would
*necessarily* make us all poorer is a myth.

Of course, that any major change in energy sources *could* make a few
people a lot richer at the expense of everyone else is not a myth, but
the cure for that is intelligent political action, not risking possible
climate change running its course.

John Savard

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Old July 25th 06, 11:25 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment,alt.politics.bush,alt.global-warming,alt.impeach.bush
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Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
This is hilarious :
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/07/22/233219.php
No, on second thought, it's just sad.


David Nalle is a member of one of those right-wing thinktanks (Middle
East Policy Council) and pretty-much swamps blogcritics as political
editor to prevent any rational climate change debate.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...Policy_Council
David Nalle - Consultant, U.S. Foreign Service Officer (ret.)

As I understand it, he's an expert on Arabia but likes to think he
knows it all.

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Old July 25th 06, 03:46 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment,alt.politics.bush,alt.global-warming,alt.impeach.bush
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wrote:

Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:


This is hilarious :


http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/07/22/233219.php

No, on second thought, it's just sad.


Yes, it is unfortunate.

Even if ... [snip]

If harmful climate changes are taking place [snip]


There is no if about global warming you pathetic piece of human ****.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org
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Old July 28th 06, 03:04 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment,alt.politics.bush,alt.global-warming,alt.impeach.bush
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:17:49 -0700, jsavard wrote:

If harmful climate changes are taking place, and human action is
influencing things in a negative direction, it simply makes sense to
modify human activity so as to create an influence of a more positive
kind.


Only if the cost of the climate change is greater than the cost of the
modification of human activity.
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Old July 28th 06, 03:15 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment,alt.politics.bush,alt.global-warming,alt.impeach.bush
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Rand Simberg wrote in
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:17:49 -0700, jsavard wrote:

If harmful climate changes are taking place, and human action is
influencing things in a negative direction, it simply makes sense to
modify human activity so as to create an influence of a more positive
kind.


Only if the cost of the climate change is greater than the cost of the
modification of human activity.


There is no cost. You just stop being bad. The cost of continuing bad
behavior is murder of some of your fellow beings. Only a psychopath would
say what you said, in essence "How much much will you pay me to not kill
random victims of opportunity because of my oil addiction and
self-inflicted environmental illiteracy?"
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Old July 28th 06, 12:51 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment,alt.politics.bush,alt.global-warming,alt.impeach.bush
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Exxon Stockholders Liable for Global Warming Damages wrote:
Rand Simberg wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:17:49 -0700, jsavard wrote:

If harmful climate changes are taking place, and human action is
influencing things in a negative direction, it simply makes sense to
modify human activity so as to create an influence of a more positive
kind.


Only if the cost of the climate change is greater than the cost of the
modification of human activity.


There is no cost. You just stop being bad.


That's pretty naive.

Consider: there are more than six billion people on the planet right
now. Supporting that many people is (to put it mildly) rather
difficult without some level of industrialization. Get it? Without
industrialization, *you're dooming a large section of the population to
death*.

The cost of continuing bad
behavior is murder of some of your fellow beings.


Again, that's a rather gross oversimplification.

Industrialized technology makes many lives *better*, directly and
indirectly. It also fuels research into areas that may lessen our
dependence on fuels that pollute, or ways to get polluting manufacture
off-planet. One can debate whether or not we'll ever be able to
actually *get* fuels that don't pollute or move polluting stuff off the
planet ad infinitum, but if you remove the industry driven by polluting
engines suddenly and immediately, you don't even have the *option*.

Besides, it's not as simple as murder. Imagine that I came up with a
medicine that would cure an epidemic, as long as the medicine was taken
according to guidelines. Should I be held liable for murder if someone
ignores the directions and warning labels and dies as a result?

(An imperfect analogy, I know... but the point is that technology made
possible through industrialization has *saved* many lives. It's not as
simple as merely "convenient for some, deadly for others".)

Only a psychopath would
say what you said, in essence "How much much will you pay me to not kill
random victims of opportunity because of my oil addiction and
self-inflicted environmental illiteracy?"


How much would you pay me for my medicine, given that what happens when
you overdose is largely unknown (I have a weird compunction against
trying it out on human beings)?

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Old July 28th 06, 01:12 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment,alt.politics.bush,alt.global-warming,alt.impeach.bush
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"addams013" wrote in
oups.com:

Exxon Stockholders Liable for Global Warming Damages wrote:
Rand Simberg wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:17:49 -0700, jsavard wrote:

If harmful climate changes are taking place, and human action is
influencing things in a negative direction, it simply makes sense to
modify human activity so as to create an influence of a more positive
kind.

Only if the cost of the climate change is greater than the cost of the
modification of human activity.


There is no cost. You just stop being bad.


That's pretty naive.

Consider: there are more than six billion people on the planet right
now. Supporting that many people is (to put it mildly) rather
difficult without some level of industrialization. Get it? Without
industrialization, *you're dooming a large section of the population to
death*.


I am about 1000 times smarter than you. Not only do I not need any lectures from an idiot playing with fire of
Global Warming Holocaust, I have been exploring the soklutions since maybe before you were ever born,
jackoff.

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Old July 28th 06, 01:48 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment,alt.politics.bush,alt.global-warming,alt.impeach.bush
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Exxon Stockholders Liable for Global Warming Damages wrote:
"addams013" wrote:

Consider: there are more than six billion people on the planet right
now. Supporting that many people is (to put it mildly) rather
difficult without some level of industrialization. Get it? Without
industrialization, *you're dooming a large section of the population to
death*.


I am about 1000 times smarter than you.


Really? Neat.

So why the **** are you dicking around with Usenet? You should be out
there fighting crime or revolutionizing our power-generation
capabilties or whatever it is you tin-plated dictators with delusions
of godhood do.

If you have something to say of such monumental importance, frankly,
you're wasting your time here. The audience is small, and the problem
enormous.

Not only do I not need any lectures from an idiot playing with fire of
Global Warming Holocaust,


That wasn't a lecture. It was a rebuttal -- an attempt to explain why
things cannot change overnight; we can't "just stop", unless you're
willing to assume the cost in lives necessary to do so.

Makes one wonder if you've ever attended a lecture or received any kind
of higher education.

Besides, I never said that global warming is not an issue, nor that we
couldn't be doing more to alleviate it.

I have been exploring the soklutions since maybe before you were ever born,
jackoff.


No need; I already have a willing, able, and energetic sex partner.
But projection doesn't become you.

I guess we've seen what happens when *you* become ejaculatory:

CDROM National Hydrogen Energy Roadmap-- A National Hydrogen Vision 33162.pdf
http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy03osti/33162.pdf

snip

Oooh, you can post links. Lots of them.

How do any of these promise that replacement of polluting fuels can be
"just stopped"? The nearest thing I can see is that replacement of
polluting fuels can, at best, be gradually accomplished.

Are you sure you're not confusing "about 1000 times smarter" with
"about 1000 times the froth"?

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Old July 28th 06, 03:17 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.environment,alt.politics.bush,alt.global-warming,alt.impeach.bush
Thomas Lee Elifritz
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addams013 wrote:
Exxon Stockholders Liable for Global Warming Damages wrote:
"addams013" wrote:
Consider: there are more than six billion people on the planet right
now. Supporting that many people is (to put it mildly) rather
difficult without some level of industrialization. Get it? Without
industrialization, *you're dooming a large section of the population to
death*.


As far as I know, everyone is doomed to death. Will it be gradual, or
catastrophic? Some of us would like it to be gradual, rather than ...

Oh, forget it, you've got nothing.

I am about 1000 times smarter than you.


Really? Neat.

So why the **** are you dicking around with Usenet? You should be out
there fighting crime or revolutionizing our power-generation
capabilties or whatever it is you tin-plated dictators with delusions
of godhood do.

If you have something to say of such monumental importance, frankly,
you're wasting your time here. The audience is small, and the problem
enormous.


Which is why you are responding here with nothing of significance.

Thanks! Your input is greatly appreciated.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org
 




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