The mystery of the Holy Shroud

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, wrote:
The Holy Shroud in Turin is and remains a riddle

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I think that the only mystery remaining about the Shroud of Turin
is *Why* do antichrists (Atheists, CHRINOs, ad nauseam) refuse to
accept the incontrovertible evidence that this particular artifact
is the _actual_ shroud that the horribly beaten and crucified dead
physical body of Jesus Christ was wrapped in for more than seventy-
two contiguous hours before He physically resurrected, and neatly
folded up the cloth, and left it in the tomb for mortals to find?

Why do the Atheists refuse to accept that Jesus is their LORD and
Savior and reigning King and Master to the Ages of the Ages? Why?
That's an easy question to answer, not only because it's obvious,
but also because this question has been answered already in the
sacred scriptures. It's simply because of the Atheists' profane
vanity, their worldly arrogance, their self-aggrandizement, and
their mammon-worship, all ego and greed. It's as simple as that.

Thus begs the greater question Why do Atheists love to be damned
in Hellfire so much? I mean, it really sucks to be imprisoned in
dark Limbo, i.e. where the Immortal souls of mortal Atheists are
subjected to indescribably terrifying torments 24/7/365.2422. The
psychiatric diagnosis is that all Atheists are essentially psychic-
masochists. The souls of Atheists love to be punished in Hellfire,
which explains why they don't want to be saved. They _need_ their
punishment in Hell! It's like the only thing in eternity that the
Atheists can call their own, their Dark prison where the woodbine
twineth and the iceman cometh not. Atheists love to be God-Damned!

Atheists can't prevent their Damnation, so they've learned to love
it through long ages of practice, i.e. some 2000 discarnations over
the last 200,000 tropical years therearound (i.e., assuming average
of one mortal incarnation and one interim Immortal discarnation per
mundane solar century). Atheists have had plenty of practice being
without God, bit, banished, misled, born in sin, essentially born
to die, the first death to be discarnate in Hell, eventually into
the Light and Purgatory then abruptly cast down from heaven which
is the second death (you can read all about it in the Apocalypse),
born amid the crashing karmic waves of the fallen earth. Atheists
have had _plenty_ of practice. Thus they've learned to love their
damnation in both this world & in the world being eternally about.

Some believe and preach that God-hating Atheists should be pitied.
I don't subscribe to that pollyannaish philosophy at all any more,
although admittedly I used to (fool me once, but never twice). Yet
I have _always_ known that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of
prophecy, i.e. God's Word is infallible and can't ever err at all.
Thus anyone who disagrees with Jesus is an Anti-Christian Atheist,
regardless of what these God-Damned Liars, Cowards and Murderers
call themselves (Catholic, Atheist, Protestant, Muslim, Buddhist,
Hindu, etc. ad nauseam), it makes no difference whatsoever, since
they're all anarchists, antichrists Atheists, i.e. because that's
what they DO. And Praise God that's *EXACTLY* how they are Judged
in the Light! That's why the souls of Atheists always get trapped
in Dark Limbo when they die, where Atheists remain afraid, scared,
terrified of the Light in which awaits their future Judgment: for
each one every one *EXACTLY* according to their works of good and
works of evil, the latter of which Atheists don't want to be held
accountable for. But God doesn't care what Atheists want or don't
want, because God always holds men each one *EXACTLY* accountable
for their sins, this down to the very last subatomic particle bar
none. That's why Atheists don't want to believe in Limbo, because
that's where God *FORCES* Atheists to see their horrible Judgment
awaiting them in the Light: and Pay the Piper to every last penny
they shall--whether they like it or not! And Praise Jesus Atheists
do *NOT* like it in Hell, where God the Destroyer *DESTROYS* both
Immortal spirit-person and mortal body person. Praise God Almighty!

Thus I look forward to seeing the look on the God-hating Atheists'
collective face, when the greatest tribulation ever to befall the
world strikes, beginning with the betrayal and crucifixion of the
WOB's "In God We Trust" (thereby launching Armageddon) into where
the greater fiery region rapidly becomes the habitation of demons,
i.e., of the souls of dead Atheists, inhumane, monstrous, hideous,
demonic. This is why demonic spirits appear inhuman like the wild
beasts they are, with all manner of black cancers darkening their
psychic aura. Remember this prophecy about their Atheistic empi

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Il entrera vilain, mechant, infame
He will enter villain, malignant, infamous

Tyrannisant la Mesopotamie,
Tyrannizing the Mesopotamia,

Tous amis fait d'adulterine d'ame,
All friends makes of adulterine of heart,

Terre horrible, noir de phisonomie.
Earth horrible, dark of physiognomy.

So what are Atheists, essentially? Atheists are literally without
Theos, without Zeus, without God. Atheists are, to quote from the
Apocalypse: "dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers,
and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie" [Rev 22:15].
Thus it's no surprise that Atheists are always liars, cowards and
murderers, because Atheists are incapable of doing otherwise. See?

As any veteran exorcist can tell you, the Atheists especially hate
Latin quotes from the S. scriptures. Thus I love the Latin Vulgate
above all other translations (although the LXX is also a superior
translation of Old Testament scrolls), not only because the Vulgate
is the most accurate translation, but also because Atheists hate it,
and _everything_ the Atheists hate I devoutly love and worship with
all my heart, mind and soul. Contrarily, everything the Atheists do
I hate with all my heart, mind and soul. Thus I'll quote the Bible:

"...et dixit mihi haec verba
and he is saying to me These words

fidelissima et vera sunt et Dominus Deus
most faithful and veritable to be, and the Dominant one Zeus

spirituum prophetarum misit angelum suum
the spirits of the prophets he is sending off the angel of his

ostendere servis suis quae oportet
and he is showing to the servants of him what it is opportune

fieri cito et ecce venio velociter
and it is occurring in quickness, and behold. I am coming quickly.

beatus qui custodit verba prophetiae
beatific who he is keeping custody of the words of the prophecy

libri huius et ego Iohannes qui audivi et vidi
of the book this. and I John who I am hearing and I am seeing

haec et postquam audissem et vidissem cecidi
these things, and after I am hearing and am seeing, I am falling

ut adorarem ante pedes angeli qui mihi
in order to be adoring before the feet of the angel who to me

haec ostendebat et dicit mihi vide
these things he is showing. and he is saying to me Be you seeing

ne feceris conservus tuus sum et
that not you are doing. I the fellow-servant of yours to be, and

fratrum tuorum prophetarum et eorum qui servant
brethren of yours the prophets, and of them who they are guarding

verba libri huius Deum adora et dicit
the words of the book this. Zeus be you adoring. and he is saying

mihi ne signaveris verba prophetiae
to me that Not you should be sealing up the words of the prophecy

libri huius tempus enim prope est qui nocet
of the book this, the time for near to be. whom he is nocent

noceat adhuc et qui in sordibus est sordescat
he is nocent still. and who in sordidness to be he is sordid

adhuc et iustus iustitiam faciat adhuc et sanctus
still. and the just justice he is doing still. and the sanctified

sanctificetur adhuc ecce venio cito et merces
sanctifying still. behold. I am coming in quickness, and the wages

mea mecum est reddere unicuique
of me with me to be, and I am rendering to each and every one

secundum opera sua ego Alpha et Omega
according to the works of him. I the Alpha and the Omega,

primus et novissimus principium et finis beati
the first and the last, the principal and the finish. beatific

qui lavant stolas suas ut sit
who they are washing the stoles of them in order that to be

potestas eorum in ligno vitae et portis intrent
the potency of them in the tree of life, and the gates they are entering

in civitatem foris canes et venefici et inpudici
into the city. outside the dogs and the drug-abusers and the impudent

et homicidae et idolis servientes et omnis qui amat
and the homocidal and the idolaters and every one who he is loving

et facit mendacium ego Iesus misi angelum
and he is making mendacities. I Jesus I am sending the angel

meum testificari vobis haec in ecclesiis ego
of me to testify to you these things in the ecclesiae. I

sum radix et genus David stella splendida et
to be the root and offspring of David, the star splendid and

matutina et Spiritus et sponsa di**** veni
matutinal. and the Spirit and the bride they are saying I am coming.

et qui audit dicat veni et qui sitit
and who he is hearing be you saying I am coming. and who he is thirsting

veniat qui vult accipiat aquam vitae
he is coming. who he is coming he is accepting the water of life

gratis contestor ego omni audienti verba
freely. I testify myself every one who is hearing the words of

prophetiae libri huius si quis adposuerit ad haec
the prophecy of the book this. if any one he is adding to this,

adponet Deus super illum plagas scriptas in libro
will be adding Zeus upon him the plagues written in the book

isto et si quis deminuerit de verbis libri
this. and if any one he is diminishing from the words of the book

prophetiae huius auferet Deus partem eius
of the prophecy this, will be taking away Zeus that part of him

de ligno vitae et de civitate sancta et de
from the tree of life, and from the city sanctified, and from

his quae scripta sunt in libro isto dicit
that which is written to be in the book this. and is saying

qui testimonium perhibet istorum etiam
him whose testimony it is being presented at hand, Now too

venio cito amen veni Domine Iesu
I AM coming in quickness amen. Be you coming O Dominant one Jesus.

gratia Domini nostri Iesu Christi cum omnibus"
gratitude of the Dominant one of ours Jesus Christ be with all men.

--Apocalypsis 22:6-21, editio Vulgata

Armageddon Cometh,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/

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On Jan 10, 2:51 pm, (Anonymous) wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, wrote:
The Holy Shroud in Turin is and remains a riddle

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I think that the only mystery remaining about the Shroud of Turin
is *Why* do antichrists (Atheists, CHRINOs, ad nauseam) refuse to
accept the incontrovertible evidence that this particular artifact
is the _actual_ shroud that the horribly beaten and crucified dead
physical body of Jesus Christ was wrapped in for more than seventy-
two contiguous hours before He physically resurrected, and neatly
folded up the cloth, and left it in the tomb for mortals to find?

The other side of the question is "why do the True Believers insist on
accepting
a medieval piece of religious art as some magically produced artifact
with its
own miraculous powers that for some inscrutable reason came into
existence
and continues to exist outside of the 'Divine Order' of the 'perfect
creation'
completed on the 6th Day by the Creators work?"

In other words, why are there miracles in a perfect world? Either the
world is
not perfect, or there are no miracles. You cannot eat your cake and
still have it.

Armageddon Cometh,

Armageddon came and went.

It ended with the siege of Masada.

Your Saviour's body was dismembered in a cave on the south side of the
citadel
and parts were cast to the rocks below, insuring that He will never
again be
resurrected.

Evil won. Deal with it.

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

On Jan 10, 12:51*pm, (Mini) wrote:

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Anti-Christian Atheist
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antichrists Atheists
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dead Atheists
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I hate


Wheeeeeee! I hope you feel better soon.

HB

"Hollis Brown" wrote in message
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On Jan 10, 12:51 pm, (Mini) wrote:

Atheists
Atheists
Atheists
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Atheists Atheists
Atheists
Atheists Atheists
Atheists
Atheists
Atheists
God-hating Atheists
Anti-Christian Atheist
Atheist
antichrists Atheists
Atheists
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Atheists
Atheists
Atheists
Atheists
Atheists
God-hating Atheists
dead Atheists
Atheistic empire
Atheists Atheists
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Atheists
I hate


Wheeeeeee! I hope you feel better soon.

HB

I hope he feels worse soon. I hope he feels so ill he's unable
to spew his crap in sci newsgroups.

"Hollis Brown" wrote in message
...

(Rev. Joseph Daniel Mini) wrote:
Atheists
Atheists
Atheists
Atheists
Atheists Atheists
Atheists
Atheists Atheists
Atheists
Atheists
Atheists
God-hating Atheists
Anti-Christian Atheist
Atheist
antichrists Atheists
Atheists
Atheists
Atheists
Atheists
Atheists
Atheists
Atheists
God-hating Atheists
dead Atheists
Atheistic empire
Atheists Atheists
Atheists
Atheists
Atheists
Atheists
Atheists
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I hate

Wheeeeeee! I hope you feel better soon.
HB

ahahaha... sure! As you can see Hollis, our blessed
Reverend Min is good "At heists" like that.
He is quick on his soles to save their souls...
ahahahaha.... aahahanson

On Jan 10, 5:40*pm, tadchem wrote:
On Jan 10, 2:51 pm, (Anonymous) wrote:

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, wrote:
The Holy Shroud in Turin is and remains a riddle

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I think that the only mystery remaining about the Shroud of Turin
is *Why* do antichrists (Atheists, CHRINOs, ad nauseam) refuse to
accept the incontrovertible evidence that this particular artifact
is the _actual_ shroud that the horribly beaten and crucified dead
physical body of Jesus Christ was wrapped in for more than seventy-
two contiguous hours before He physically resurrected, and neatly
folded up the cloth, and left it in the tomb for mortals to find?

The other side of the question is "why do the True Believers insist on
accepting
a medieval piece of religious art as some magically produced artifact
with its
own miraculous powers that for some inscrutable reason came into
existence
and continues to exist outside of the 'Divine Order' of the 'perfect
creation'
completed on the 6th Day by the Creators work?"

In other words, why are there miracles in a perfect world? *Either the
world is
not perfect, or there are no miracles. You cannot eat your cake and
still have it.

Armageddon Cometh,

Armageddon came and went.

It ended with the siege of Masada.

Your Saviour's body was dismembered in a cave on the south side of the
citadel
and parts were cast to the rocks below, insuring that He will never
again be
resurrected.

Evil won. Deal with it.

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

Tom, I don't know about the dismemberment of the body, but what I do
know is that the Shroud of Turin was once made available for
scientific analysis, and that the stains on it were positively
identified as artist's pigments. Not that I believe what I see on TV,
but there was a television program on the subject.

A strong faith helps some people through difficult times, and often
tends to persuade others from destructive, animal like, impulsive
behavior, but if their faith hinges on a artist pigment stained rag,
then their faith seems to me to be rather superficial.

Harry C.

"Androcles" wrote in message
.uk...

"Hollis Brown" wrote in message
...
On Jan 10, 12:51 pm, (Mini) wrote:

Androcles:

This may be irrelevant to your concern and there is certainly no offense to
you or others in
my intent. But, I hope you will understand that in my desire to banish Mr.
Min's
lunatic nullities from the probability of my sight, I will be killfiling
anyone who feeds
the hateful troll and perpetuates his mention to my consciousness.

As said, my intended action decidedly means no personal offense. I
appreciate free, rational people as I appreciate our respectful differences.
I firmly regret that killfiling otherwise serious persons in this case will
prevent my helping them or engaging them in beneficial discourse on matters
of intelligent and mutual interest. However, if forgoing those happy
prospects of interaction with otherwise valuable contributors whom continue
to cater to a sad man's desperate hunger for attention is the price of some
peace in this matter, I'm afraid many will pay it, Min excepted. Obviously,
there is no peace on his horizon. And that he can keep to himself.

Thank you very much for your time and consideration.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

"Edward Hennessey" wrote in message
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| "Androcles" wrote in message
| .uk...
|
| "Hollis Brown" wrote in message
|
...
| On Jan 10, 12:51 pm, (Mini) wrote:
|
| Androcles:
|
| This may be irrelevant to your concern and there is certainly no offense
to
| you or others in
| my intent. But, I hope you will understand that in my desire to banish Mr.
| Min's
| lunatic nullities from the probability of my sight, I will be killfiling
| anyone who feeds
| the hateful troll and perpetuates his mention to my consciousness.
|
| As said, my intended action decidedly means no personal offense. I
| appreciate free, rational people as I appreciate our respectful
differences.
| I firmly regret that killfiling otherwise serious persons in this case
will
| prevent my helping them or engaging them in beneficial discourse on
matters
| of intelligent and mutual interest. However, if forgoing those happy
| prospects of interaction with otherwise valuable contributors whom
continue
| to cater to a sad man's desperate hunger for attention is the price of
some
| peace in this matter, I'm afraid many will pay it, Min excepted.
Obviously,
| there is no peace on his horizon. And that he can keep to himself.
|
| Thank you very much for your time and consideration.
|
| Regards,
|
| Edward Hennessey
|
They just come back with a new pseudonym. You are the loser,
cutting off your nose to spite your face. It's the trolls that
change names, the only one "paying for it" is you. Noise will
always drown signal, expecially if you cut off the signal.

On Jan 10, 9:53 pm, " wrote:
On Jan 10, 5:40 pm, tadchem wrote:



On Jan 10, 2:51 pm, (Anonymous) wrote:

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, wrote:
The Holy Shroud in Turin is and remains a riddle

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I think that the only mystery remaining about the Shroud of Turin
is *Why* do antichrists (Atheists, CHRINOs, ad nauseam) refuse to
accept the incontrovertible evidence that this particular artifact
is the _actual_ shroud that the horribly beaten and crucified dead
physical body of Jesus Christ was wrapped in for more than seventy-
two contiguous hours before He physically resurrected, and neatly
folded up the cloth, and left it in the tomb for mortals to find?

The other side of the question is "why do the True Believers insist on
accepting
a medieval piece of religious art as some magically produced artifact
with its
own miraculous powers that for some inscrutable reason came into
existence
and continues to exist outside of the 'Divine Order' of the 'perfect
creation'
completed on the 6th Day by the Creators work?"

In other words, why are there miracles in a perfect world? Either the
world is
not perfect, or there are no miracles. You cannot eat your cake and
still have it.

Armageddon Cometh,

Armageddon came and went.

It ended with the siege of Masada.

Your Saviour's body was dismembered in a cave on the south side of the
citadel
and parts were cast to the rocks below, insuring that He will never
again be
resurrected.

Evil won. Deal with it.

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

Tom, I don't know about the dismemberment of the body, but what I do
know is that the Shroud of Turin was once made available for
scientific analysis, and that the stains on it were positively
identified as artist's pigments. Not that I believe what I see on TV,
but there was a television program on the subject.

A strong faith helps some people through difficult times, and often
tends to persuade others from destructive, animal like, impulsive
behavior, but if their faith hinges on a artist pigment stained rag,
then their faith seems to me to be rather superficial.

Harry C.

The Israeli archaeologist Yigael Yadin published a book titled
"Masada: Herod's Fortress and the Zealots' Last Stand"
http://www.amazon.com/Masada-Herods-...0045181&sr=1-1
which photographically documents his findings during the excavation.

Most telling were two pictures. One showed a large cave showing
disarticulated bones which Yadin identified as those of one elderly
adult male, several women, and children. The bones had been stacked:
legs together, arms together, and skulls in a heap. No pelvises,
ribcages, or vertebrae were apparent.

Without mentioning the disarticulation he adds that more bones had
been found at the base of the cliff below this cave opening.

Yadin also added that these bones also dated from the seige.

A second picture was of a large signet ring bearing two symbols. One
was a circle with a cross in it (similar to the Egyptian heiroglyph
for 'well' or 'village', which I have been informed was the symbol for
the central personage of a household - i.e. the lord and master) and
the second was unmistakably the Hammer of the Maccabees.

The most straightforward interpretation of the signet ring is that it
belonged to the Lord and Master of the House of the Maccabees, which
you may recognize as the Royal Family of Judea. The last known
Maccabee was Mariamne, whom Herod the Great married in an effort to
legitimize his reign, but who (according to Josephus, IIRC) refused to
allow Herod to consummate his marriage. She chose instead to consort
with Herod's Jewish minister Joseph. This was some 75 years before
the siege of Masada, where the elderly man associated with the ring
was dismembered.

In traditional Jewish belief, bodily resurrection required an intact
body, so dismemberment was sufficient to deny resurrection to the
victim. The Romans did not believe in resurrection themselves, but
they must have had *some* reason to dismember these particular bodies.
Insurance?

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

Harry C,

I've read a little on the subject from one scientist who has done some
research on it....bacteria do produce a plastic substance which has
been found to mess up the carbon dating.