Texan Compares Global Warming to Intelligent Design

Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
addams013 wrote:
"addams013" wrote:
Without
industrialization, *you're dooming a large section of the population to
death*.

As far as I know, everyone is doomed to death. Will it be gradual, or
catastrophic? Some of us would like it to be gradual, rather than ...

Oh, forget it, you've got nothing.

If most people would prefer gradual death, we'd better not "just stop".
Death by starvation and disease, for example, is often much more rapid
(and induces much more suffering) than death through gradual absorption
of toxins.

You make an excellent point, but you fail to follow it through.

If you have something to say of such monumental importance, frankly,
you're wasting your time here. The audience is small, and the problem
enormous.

Which is why you are responding here with nothing of significance.

If it takes his vast intellect and reroutes it to someplace useful, I'd
say that's important. It's also important if he takes what he *thinks*
is his vast intellect, brings it into a larger public forum, and gets
laughed out of the room. Either way, somebody learns something.

I have my doubts, of course. "1000 times smarter", but he can't read
for comprehension.

addams013 wrote:
Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
addams013 wrote:
"addams013" wrote:
Without
industrialization, *you're dooming a large section of the population to
death*.
As far as I know, everyone is doomed to death. Will it be gradual, or
catastrophic? Some of us would like it to be gradual, rather than ...

Oh, forget it, you've got nothing.

If most people would prefer gradual death, we'd better not "just stop".
Death by starvation and disease, for example, is often much more rapid
(and induces much more suffering) than death through gradual absorption
of toxins.

You make an excellent point, but you fail to follow it through.

If you have something to say of such monumental importance, frankly,
you're wasting your time here. The audience is small, and the problem
enormous.
Which is why you are responding here with nothing of significance.

If it takes his vast intellect and reroutes it to someplace useful, I'd
say that's important. It's also important if he takes what he *thinks*
is his vast intellect, brings it into a larger public forum, and gets
laughed out of the room. Either way, somebody learns something.

I have my doubts, of course. "1000 times smarter", but he can't read
for comprehension.

Do I hear a fly buzzing?

http://cosmic.lifeform.org

Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
Do I hear a fly buzzing?

A rational, explanatory, well thought-out riposte.

I can see that *I'm* outclassed.

addams013 wrote:
Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
Do I hear a fly buzzing?

A rational, explanatory, well thought-out riposte.

I can see that *I'm* outclassed.

You surely are. You post nothing, and then expect a response.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org

Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
addams013 wrote:
A rational, explanatory, well thought-out riposte.

I can see that *I'm* outclassed.

You surely are. You post nothing, and then expect a response.

You owe me a new irony meter.

It's easy to argue that someone has posted nothing when you ignore the
points of the post. Sure, they may have been obvious, but "1000 times
smarter" didn't appear to see them; his post indicated that it would be
simple to "just stop" polluting.

Besides, who designated you the authority on my expectations?

addams013 wrote:
Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
addams013 wrote:
A rational, explanatory, well thought-out riposte.

I can see that *I'm* outclassed.
You surely are. You post nothing, and then expect a response.

You owe me a new irony meter.

It's easy to argue that someone has posted nothing when you ignore the
points of the post. Sure, they may have been obvious, but "1000 times
smarter" didn't appear to see them; his post indicated that it would be
simple to "just stop" polluting.

That's exactly what science tells us in no uncertain terms.

Whether or not you change your lifestyle is up to you.

Besides, who designated you the authority on my expectations?

Science.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org

Exxon Stockholders Liable for Global Warming Damages wrote:
Rand Simberg wrote in
news
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:17:49 -0700, jsavard wrote:

If harmful climate changes are taking place, and human action is
influencing things in a negative direction, it simply makes sense to
modify human activity so as to create an influence of a more positive
kind.

Only if the cost of the climate change is greater than the cost of the
modification of human activity.

There is no cost. You just stop being bad. The cost of continuing bad
behavior is murder of some of your fellow beings. Only a psychopath would
say what you said, in essence "How much much will you pay me to not kill
random victims of opportunity because of my oil addiction and
self-inflicted environmental illiteracy?"

Psychopath or not, Rand is very casual about human life when his ass is
not the one on the line.

Eric

Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
This is hilarious :

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/07/22/233219.php

No, on second thought, it's just sad.

America appears to be a lost cause.

Texas - give it back to Mexico.

Clearly it's too late for Texas, the added heat has addled their
brains.


http://cosmic.lifeform.org

"addams013" wrote in
oups.com:

Exxon Stockholders Liable for Global Warming Damages wrote:
"addams013" wrote:

Consider: there are more than six billion people on the planet right
now. Supporting that many people is (to put it mildly) rather
difficult without some level of industrialization. Get it? Without
industrialization, *you're dooming a large section of the population
to death*.

I am about 1000 times smarter than you.

Really? Neat.

So why the **** are you dicking around with Usenet? You should be out
there fighting crime or revolutionizing our power-generation
capabilties

Been There, Done That. In fact, Internet, Usenet, is ideal for fighting crime...

Crime Does Pay Very Well in America if you are rightwinger Patrick J. Michaels

TASSC Organized Crime was exposed by 46 top lawmen, states Attorney Generals in the "Firestorm" against
the Tobacco Mafia Godfathers in 1998. Here's evidence files presented in court to a FEDERAL JUDGE
which passed Due Process of Law. Michaels is found in the mafia godfather's file cabinets going back to
1989. He's found connected to felony fraud accomplice CATO INSTITUTE by 1992. He's found connected
to SEPPtic Tank with TASSC Fred Singer as early as 1992 while Singer was still housed in Moonie offices
downtown Washington, DC, planning a blitz of science hoaxes for 1993-1994. TASSC Michaels stays with
his organized crime bosses and buddies right up to May 31st, 2006, never severing links or ties to other
known corporate criminals.

Organizations which Patrick J. Michaels is known to be associated with, and others from the crime files on
TASSC.

(1) American Council on Science and Health (associated:TASSC Fred Singer, TASSC Patrick J. Michaels,
TASSC Alan Moghissi)

(2) American Legislative Exchange Council (TASSC Patrick J. Michaels associated)

(3) American Policy Center / EPA-watch (TASSC Patrick J. Michaels, TASSC Bonner Cohen, TASSC A. Alan
Moghissi associated)
(member of the Cooler Heads Coalition, associate of Competitive Enterprise Inst. Front Group for BIG OIL)

(4) Cato Institute : TASSC Fred Singer, TASSC Patrick J. Michaels

(5) Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow : TASSC Michael Fumento, TASSC Patrick J. Michaels, TASSC A.
Alan Moghissi, TASSC Bruce Ames, TASSC Hugh Ellsaesser,

(6) Consumer Alert : (a sub-group of Competitive Enterprise Institute) : TASSC Hugh Ellsaesser, TASSC
Patrick J. Michaels, TASSC Michael Fumento

(7) Greening Earth Society (ICE, TASSC Patrick J. Michaels)

(8) Heritage Foundation : TASSC Patrick J. Michaels, TASSC Fred Singer

(9) Tech Central Science Foundation or Tech Central Station : TASSC Patrick J. Michaels, TASSC Michael
Fumento, TASSC Steven Milloy,

(10) Virginia Institute for Public Policy : TASSC Patrick J. Michaels

(11) The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition : TASSC Hugh Ellsaesser :TASSC Steven Milloy, TASSC
Bonner Cohen, TASSC Fred Singer, TASSC Fred Seitz, TASSC A. Alan Moghissi, TASSC Bruce Ames,
TASSC Patrick J. Michaels
"Advancement of Sound Science Coalition" | TASSC Patrick J. Michaels

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Partial Listing of Selected International Involvement of TASSC Scientists
Date: Apr 1994 (est.)
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Above is attachment to below document:
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Sound Science / Lindheim Meeting / Next Steps
Date: 26 Apr 1994
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the Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (Tassc) Supporters List.
Date: 30 Jun 1993 (est.)
Length: 4 pages
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Related Documents:
* 2024233614 Update on the Activities of the Advancement of Sound
Science Coalition (Tassc) * 2024233619 the Advancement of Sound
Science Coalition (Tassc) Supporters Lis

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Philip Morris
Tobacco Industry Efforts Subverting the International Agency for Research
on Cancer's Secondhand Smoke Study Date: Nov 1999
Length: 8 pages
2505441196-2505441203
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Epa Watch Vol 2 Number 3
Date: 15 Feb 1993
Length: 4 pages
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Philip Morris
International Meeting in Europe on Sound Science
Date: 09 May 1994
Length: 10 pages
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http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/tid/awf22d00
Michaels, P.J.
Moghissi, A.
Weber, G.
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Following Sheep Over the Edge
Date: 19920810/P
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Michaels, P.J.
http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/tid/omc52c00
ASSOCIATED WITH SEPP 1992
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Give Industry A Bigger Science Rol
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The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition the Catalyst Volume 2 Fall
950000 No. 3 Date: 19950000/Q
Length: 4 pages
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Named Person
Ames, B.N.
Edwards, M.
Michaels, P.J.
Mickey Edwards becomes TASSC Chairman
Michaels launches World Climate Report.
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Scientific Myths Ride in on Hurricane Winds
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Text for Slides Restoring the Economy by Restoring the Ecology for the 21st Century Date: 30 Jun 1993
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Instruction (Cine) in Human Ecology for the Life Sciences. *
2021190020 * 2021190034 Addendum White House Decision-Making
* 2021190035 Evaluation Sheet Umdnj, Graduate School of Biomedical
Sciences Restoring the Economy by Restoring the Ecology for the 21st
Century
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Statement of Mickey Edwards
Date: 20 Dec 1995
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Length: 5 pages
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Contribution Level: "The Greenhouse Effect: Science & Policy Implications
for State Government" (the paper, already written by Dr. Patrick Michaels
of the University of Virginia, provides an overview of the greenhouse
theory, current gaps in scientific knowledge, and a critique of current
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VOLUME 2 #1 MARCH 1992 Elements of an Overdue National Dialogue on the
Environment by Kenneth Chilton Apocalypse Not Now: Science, Politics, and
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American Council on Science and Health (associated:TASSC Fred Singer, TASSC Patrick J. Michaels,
TASSC Alan Moghissi, TASSC )
American Council on Science and Health has received $110,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998. SCAIFE OIL FORTUNE Funding American Council on
Science and Health = $205,000 OLIN Munitions & Chlorine-DDT Funding for
ASCH = $865,500 http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/1998Q4/ashes.html "...
Yet ACSH executive director Michael Fox is a member of TASSC's advisory
board, as are ACSH chairman A. Alan Moghissi and board members Victor
Herbert and F.J. Francis. Another 46 members of the ACSH advisory board
also serve on the advisory board of TASSC. ..."

American Legislative Exchange Council (TASSC Patrick J. Michaels associated)
American Legislative Exchange Council has received $1,189,700 from
ExxonMobil since 1998. KOCH OIL Funding American Legislative Exchange
Council = $393,000 SCAIFE OIL FORTUNE Funding American Legislative
Exchange Council = $1,545,000 OLIN Munitions & Chlorine-DDT Funding
American Legislative Exchange Council = $215,000

American Policy Center / EPA-watch (TASSC Patrick J. Michaels, TASSC Bonner Cohen, TASSC A. Alan
Moghissi associated)
(member of the Cooler Heads Coalition, associate of Competitive
Enterprise Inst. Front Group for BIG OIL)

Cato Institute : TASSC Fred Singer, TASSC Patrick J. Michaels
Cato Institute has received $90,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
KOCH OIL Funding Cato Institute = $12,999,240
SCAIFE OIL FORTUNE Funding Cato Institute = $2,057,500
White Star Oil Fortune (Earhart Foundation) Funding Cato Institute =
$217,600 OLIN Munitions & Chlorine-DDT Funding Cato Institute =
$832,500

Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow : TASSC Michael Fumento, TASSC Patrick J. Michaels, TASSC A.
Alan Moghissi, TASSC Bruce Ames, TASSC Hugh Ellsaesser,
Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow has received $472,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998. SCAIFE OIL FORTUNE Funding Committee for a
Constructive Tomorrow = $1,020,000

Competitive Enterprise Institute : TASSC Michael Fumento, TASSC Steven Milloy
Competitive Enterprise Institute has received $2,005,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998. KOCH OIL Funding Competitive Enterprise
Institute = $666,420 SCAIFE OIL FORTUNE Funding Competitive Enterprise
Institute = $1,800,000 White Star Oil Fortune (Earhart Foundation)
Funding Competitive Enterprise Institute = $90,000 OLIN Munitions &
Chlorine-DDT Funding Competitive Enterprise Institute = $230,300
Consumer Alert : (a sub-group of Competitive Enterprise Institute) : TASSC Hugh Ellsaesser, TASSC Patrick
J. Michaels, TASSC Michael Fumento
Consumer Alert has received $70,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
KOCH OIL Funding Consumer Alert = $10,000
OLIN Munitions & Chlorine-DDT Funding Consumer Alert = $28,000
Cooler Heads Coalition (a sub-group of the National Consumer Coalition which is a sub-group of Consumer
Alert which is a sub-group of Competitive Enterprise Institute) : TASSC Patrick J. Michaels
hosted and financed by Consumer Alert, member and organizer of the
National Consumer Coalition. The Coalition publishes the bi-weekly
"Cooler Heads Newsletter" in conjunction with the Competitve Enterprise
Institute. Current members a 60 Plus Association, The Advancement of
Sound Science Coalition (junkscience.com), Alexis de Tocqueville
Institution, Americans for Tax Reform, Association of Concerned
Taxpayers, Atlas Economic Research Foundation, Capital Research Center,
Citizens Against Government Waste, Citizens for a Sound Economy,
Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow, Competitive Enterprise
Institute, Consumer Alert, Defenders of Property Rights, Foundation for
American Liberty, Frontiers of Freedom, Fund for a New Generation, The
Heartland Institute, National Center for Policy Analysis, National
Center for Public Policy Research, Political Economy Research Center,
Public Interest Institute, Small Business Survival Committee, United
Seniors Association, and Women for Tax Reform. MOST OF THESE NAMES ARE
FRONT OPERATIONS controlled by others on this list.

Greening Earth Society (ICE, TASSC Patrick J. Michaels)
"Greening Earth Society and Western Fuels are essentially the same
organization." Both are located at the same office suite in Arlington,
VA. They share the same leader, Fred Palmer, several WFA board members
serve as the board for GES, and they have the same "manager of
communications and governmental affairs," Ned Leonard. Leonard and
Palmer are both registered lobbyists for Western Fuels Association.
http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/1997Q4/warming.html
http://homepage.mac.com/herinst/envc...se/fronts.html
http://www.funtrivia.com/ubbthreads/...ber=430840&Mai
n=298880 http://www.physics.odu.edu/~weinstei...s/milloy-1.htm

Heritage Foundation : TASSC Patrick J. Michaels, TASSC Fred Singer
Heritage Foundation has received $555,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
KOCH OIL Funding Heritage Foundation = $1,952,000
SCAIFE OIL FORTUNE Funding Heritage Foundation = $22,296,640
OLIN Munitions & Chlorine-DDT Funding Heritage Foundation = $8,320,835

Science and Environmental Policy Project : TASSC Fred Singer, TASSC Fred Seitz, TASSC Bruce Ames;
TASSC Patrick J. Michaels
Science and Environmental Policy Project has received $20,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998.

Tech Central Science Foundation or Tech Central Station : TASSC Patrick J. Michaels, TASSC Michael
Fumento, TASSC Steven Milloy,
Tech Central Science Foundation or Tech Central Station has received
$95,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998. KOCH OIL Funding Tech Central
Science Foundation = $25,000 NOTE: Because TCS website runs paid
commercial advertising, incomes from this is NEVER reported as
charitable gifts by either the donor or receiver. The parent to TCS is
DCI PR firm, whose incomes are likewise not reported publically, nor do
client corporations necessarily report the payments to the public. A
lot of EXXON ads run on TCS webpages, perhaps a disguised form of
giving as it's doubtful that EXXON needs brand advertising to get
people to fill up at the Tech Corner Station -- if internet ads were
proven effective there would be EXXON ads everywhere on the net.

The Advancement of Sound Science Center, Inc. :
The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition : TASSC Hugh Ellsaesser :TASSC Steven Milloy, TASSC
Bonner Cohen, TASSC Fred Singer, TASSC Fred Seitz, TASSC A. Alan Moghissi, TASSC Bruce Ames,
TASSC Patrick J. Michaels
The Advancement of Sound Science Center, Inc. has received $40,000 from
ExxonMobil since 1998. Steve Milloy continues to operate The
Advancement of Sound Science Center from his home address in Potomc,
MD. A corporate front group designed to launch a well-funded campaign
to cast doubt on a variety of environmental and public health issues,
including global warming and second hand smoke. (The New York
Times,April 25, 1998)

Virginia Institute for Public Policy : TASSC Patrick J. Michaels

Rand Simberg wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:17:49 -0700, jsavard wrote:

If harmful climate changes are taking place, and human action is
influencing things in a negative direction, it simply makes sense to
modify human activity so as to create an influence of a more positive
kind.

Only if the cost of the climate change is greater than the cost of the
modification of human activity.

I do not disagree with you. I am very far from being what might be
called an "econut" or a tree-hugger.

However, there are three important points that must be considered.

One is that the cost of climate change is hard to estimate in advance.
If we disturb the balance of the Earth's environment, the results could
surprise us by being catastrophic.

Another is that the costs of climate change and the costs of modifying
human behavior may fall on different shoulders. If so, that would make
climate change an externality. Acting so that one inflicts risks or
costs on other human beings is impermissible. We don't have the right
to steal from other people, or injure them, or endanger them.

These first two reasons, understandably, may be unpersuasive. Right
now, humans live in a very limited world, because of inadequate
technology. It would have been unreasonable to expect the Europeans of
the Age of Discovery to strictly respect the territorial rights of
indigenous people - because they were desperate and overpopulated, and
they did not have access to effective contraceptive technology.

Today, if the United States decided to accept a decline in its standard
of living in order to achieve what many consider "fair trade" with the
nations of Africa, this would potentially weaken its military capacity,
since poorer taxpayers would tolerate less. However much one might
choose to be exercised by any imperfections of the United States,
letting mainland China, or the terrorists, become the new rulers of the
Earth would be the *real* disaster.

But there is a third reason.

Cost? Yes, the cost of shutting down energy consumption would be
enormous. But who says we have to pay that cost?

Convert to nuclear power. Build Thorium breeder reactors, while we're
waiting for fusion power, and we will have enough fuel for quite a
while. Use them to make hydrogen, which we can burn instead of
gasoline.

This doesn't come without cost, but the costs are basically *trivial*
compared to those of climate change. And the benefits - a return to an
age of unrestricted, rather than cramped, industrial activity (my
social agenda is: the government will be comitted to run the economy to
emulate the leading edge of the baby boom, that is, the early 1960s,
forever and ever, independently of world economic conditions or the
demographic situation - this is possible if inputs of resources stop
being limited) - are not inconsiderable.

Of course, terrorists or anti-nuclear fanatics might *try* to get in
the way. I do not advocate being patient with them.

Already, many years have passed since 1973. People have become older,
and their careers have not taken the paths they would have taken if the
economic situation prior to, say, 1968 had continued continuously since
then. With each passing year, it becomes harder for these people to, in
some cases, rebuild their lives.

So I want unbounded material prosperity - and, as soon as possible, a
cure for old age. Energy inputs will address the most *immediate*
limitation we face. The exploration of space is not needed for energy
from solar power satellites, but it is needed for inputs of minerals
and of biomass. These items are less urgent, since we don't face a
critical shortage of them as we do with energy.

Once the current economic crisis is replaced with prosperity, however,
exciting space ventures will become supportable. Nuclear and fusion
power are not the enemies of space simply because if we didn't have
them, we would be forced to use solar power satellites. Instead, they
will make it easier to get into space for other things we *do* need
from there, because they will mean we will be able to afford it.

John Savard