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On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:56:01 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
wrote:
Paul Schlyter wrote in
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On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 12:55:19 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha wrote:
The US currently uses the equivalent of about one
terrawatt-hour of gasoline right now.

How long is "now"? If you don't want to specify a time interval,
you should talk about TW instead of TWh.

That would be per year.

One TWh per year is 114 MW, or 0.4 W per US citizen...

Chris L Peterson wrote in
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:38:24 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha wrote:

It is very likely
that we'll see massive numbers of charging stations installed
by power companies over the next couple of decades,

At $50,000+ (or $350,000) each, along the street in questionable
neighborhoods, when scrap copper is running nearly $3/pound?

More likely at a few hundred dollars each, burdened to a few
thousand at most by installation costs.

No. And you know it. And suddenly needing millions of them will
drive the price *up*, not down.

since electric
cars are likely to provide load balancing for local power
grids.

Electric car will be charged during business hours, and in the
hours after people get home from work.

And electric cars will be drawn upon during peak hours, as well.

So, they'll be drawn on to charge themselves while they're
charging? Do you even read the idiocy you're posting?

Not every car requires a full charge.

Most do, at some point. You will *never* address this, because you
*know* I'm right.

Indeed, we'll see cars charging their batteries from the
stored power in other cars, as well as stored power in
household and business systems.

After trillions of dollars in upgrades to power generation and
distribution systems, you're still hallucinating. Seriously,
dude, take your meds.

More likely tens of billions of dollars. Which is nothing.

Then you'll be happy to pay for it. Once you're old enough to get a
job.

Moron.

You will *never* address the real issues, because you *know* I'm
right.

--
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Bill wrote in
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:25:47 +0100, Paul Schlyter wrote:

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 12:55:19 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha wrote:
The US currently uses the equivalent of about one
terrawatt-hour of gasoline right now.

How long is "now"? If you don't want to specify a time
interval, you should talk about TW instead of TWh.

The fellow is being absurd.

Chris is, yes.

_No one_ has disputed the fact that the US does not have the
infrastructure to support large numbers of EVs;

Chris has claimed, specifically, that the 30-50% increase in power
generating capcaity and infrastructure needed to distribute it will
magically appear because he wants it to.

nor that would
take considerable time and expese to get the US to a place
where we could sustain millions of EVs on the road on a daily
basis.

The proposal (in multiple jurisdictions) is to force the
replacement of *all* gasoline powered cars. So, no, not millions of
EVs, over a hundred million.

Stop lying about what's been said. Or not. We both know that, like
Chris, you will *never* address the real issues, because you *know*
I'm right.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Chris L Peterson wrote in
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:58:07 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha wrote:

Paul Schlyter wrote in
Or you can use public transportation.

For a road trip to Yosemite? Or Nebraska? Or "out to the
desert"? You're smoking the same Kool-Aid as Chris is. You are
literally delusional if you believe that "public transportation"
can replace gasoline powered cars for long road trips.

He didn't say that.

Yeah, actually, he did. Quaddie's a retard, nearly as stupid as you.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Paul Schlyter wrote in
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:54:22 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha wrote:
Building infrastructive is a practical obstacle. 3 MW cables
handled by the average driver is a theoretical obstacle.

3MW isn't needed by an electric car, that's the power needed
by a typical railway engine!

That's what required if you want to transfer energy into an
electric
car as fast as a gasoline pump can.

If that's your requirement, 3MW isn't enough, you'd need more
like 30MW.

Not according to the people who have studied it a lot more closely
than you or I, but whatever.

There's only one practical way to accomplish this: to
swap batteries.

Which pretty severely limits the number of vehicles a given station
can handle in a day _because they still have to be recharged_. Got
100 batteries? OK, you can refuel 100 vehicles. Good luck, if you're
#101.

(Aside from the greater potential for mishaps with batteries that
have a tendency to explode when mishandled.)

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Paul Schlyter wrote in
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:56:01 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha wrote:
Paul Schlyter wrote in
:


On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 12:55:19 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha wrote:
The US currently uses the equivalent of about one
terrawatt-hour of gasoline right now.

How long is "now"? If you don't want to specify a time
interval, you should talk about TW instead of TWh.

That would be per year.

One TWh per year is 114 MW, or 0.4 W per US citizen...

It's also a 30-50% increase over what's currently being used in the
US. Which the current industry can't generate without building a
bunch more plants, and the current grid can't distribute without
massive upgrades.

Address what I *said*, not what you wish I said. Dumbass.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 12:00:10 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
wrote:
One TWh per year is 114 MW, or 0.4 W per US citizen...


It's also a 30-50% increase over what's currently being used in the
US. Which the current industry can't generate without building a

Are you saying that each American only uses an amount of electricity
to light one single LED lamp some 2 hours per day?

On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:53:29 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
wrote:

More likely at a few hundred dollars each, burdened to a few
thousand at most by installation costs.

No. And you know it. And suddenly needing millions of them will
drive the price *up*, not down.

You appear to have a most peculiar idea about economics.

And electric cars will be drawn upon during peak hours, as well.

So, they'll be drawn on to charge themselves while they're
charging? Do you even read the idiocy you're posting?

Some cars will take power from the system, some will provide it.
That's part of how charge balancing works in a system like that. Users
pay for what they consume, and are compensated for what they provide.

Not every car requires a full charge.

Most do, at some point.

Nobody has suggested otherwise.

More likely tens of billions of dollars. Which is nothing.

Then you'll be happy to pay for it. Once you're old enough to get a
job.

We pay for infrastructure like this all the time, through all manner
of mechanisms.

Chris L Peterson wrote in
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:53:29 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha wrote:

More likely at a few hundred dollars each, burdened to a few
thousand at most by installation costs.

No. And you know it. And suddenly needing millions of them will
drive the price *up*, not down.

You appear to have a most peculiar idea about economics.

You appear to be a drooling moron.

Appearances are not always deceiving.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:56:14 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
wrote:

Bill wrote in
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:25:47 +0100, Paul Schlyter wrote:

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 12:55:19 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha wrote:
The US currently uses the equivalent of about one
terrawatt-hour of gasoline right now.

How long is "now"? If you don't want to specify a time
interval, you should talk about TW instead of TWh.

The fellow is being absurd.

Chris is, yes.

_No one_ has disputed the fact that the US does not have the
infrastructure to support large numbers of EVs;

Chris has claimed, specifically, that the 30-50% increase in power
generating capcaity and infrastructure needed to distribute it will
magically appear because he wants it to.

nor that would
take considerable time and expese to get the US to a place
where we could sustain millions of EVs on the road on a daily
basis.

The proposal (in multiple jurisdictions) is to force the
replacement of *all* gasoline powered cars. So, no, not millions of
EVs, over a hundred million.

Stop lying about what's been said. Or not. We both know that, like
Chris, you will *never* address the real issues, because you *know*
I'm right.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

What makes "winning" this petty squabble so important to you that you
would want to keep pursuing the topic with such a vengeance?

It's all meaningless. Neither one of you is any position to influence,
in the _ANY_ of the matters that you're so bitterly contesting. It's
like people in a stadium, fighting between themselve over which sports
team is the better? The "game" is on the field - and neither of you
appear to be players or coaches.



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