Was there a civilization that existed 13 000 years ago?

In article "Paul R. Mays" writes:
Do you actually think some guy came along and provided evidence
of a round earth and everybody said ..that's it..

Of course, because you can see it directly. The horizon is BELOW
horizontal when standing on a hill. QED.

"Jack" wrote in message
om...
"Robert J. Kolker" wrote in message
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Paul R. Mays wrote:


I remember reading about a fantastic claim that the earth was round
at one time... then some idiot made the claim that the earth actually
orbited the sun... those fools... oh yea... they were right after
all...

They were believed AFTER the evidence was in hand, not before. Did you
know that a broken 12 hour clock tells the right time twice a day?

Bob Kolker

except that Paul's clock strikes 13 o'clock. totally unreliable.

Mine actually strikes 1300 o'clock once a day....totally reliable.





Paul is a Klassic Kook. his current gem of an argument is of the
"they laughed at Einstein, just like they're laughing at me" variety.

Kewl... Always wanted to be a Klassic something... And If I can get
a chuckle or two from the throng then its a good day...
And I never made that argument so what's with the quotes....

[And just a note... (to all you guys that have said that I was not a kook
when I told you guys that most consider me one ) here you go...

I know this guy don't understand what I have said in this thread but one
of you I know has figured out that I'm not one of the guys that have
postulated the theory under question but only pointed correctly too
the fact that there is evidence that is at odds with existing theory of
civilization and that all people of intellect should actually consider
the physical evidence and use their mind's to understand the world around
us..... not to lock step and wait till a committee says its ok to think...]


notice how he continues to evade discussion of contrary evidence.

Ok brains... Where did evade contrary evidence? Show me a
quote or two...

"Carl R. Osterwald" wrote in message
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In article , DrPostman
wrote:

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:41:28 -0400, "Paul R. Mays"
wrote:


But just to clarify.. I make no claims.. I state that
some people of note have given specific evidence that
supports the view of a larger civilization than what the
present historical record indicate..

None of those you pointed to hold degrees in archeology,
anthropology, geology, etc.... Why do you take the
word of amateurs with questionable backgrounds over
thousands of well studied field workers who really know
their stuff, and are aware of interdisciplinary collaborations?

Because they agree with his preconceived ideas.

WHAT DO I WIN?!!?!!


I don't take the word of either side.. or anyone for that matter....

So... since I don't take anyone's word for anything in science


YOU LOSE !!!





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"Ed Conrad" wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 06:46:32 -0400, "Robert J. Kolker"
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SNIP


Was there a civilization that
e isted 13,000 years ago?

Yep, but also 280,000,00 million
years ago -- and many pperiods in time
that were in-between, if not even farther
back.

Snipped

In your case ED I actually took the time to look
at your evidence and carefully checking most all
your rocks, reading your views, reading others views..

Then made up my mind you have not made
a valid argument of your outlandish claim... Nor
have you provided evidence that stands even when
lightly studied...

Then when I read of the brain damaged stuff about
religion and myths you follow I pretty much ignore you...

"The Ghost In The Machine" wrote in
message ...
In sci.physics, Paul R. Mays

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on Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:11:29 -0400
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"Carl R. Osterwald" wrote in message
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In article , DrPostman
wrote:

On 10 Oct 2003 07:06:28 -0700, (Jack) wrote:


the same glaciers that flash froze all those mammoths?


Devious fiends!

I demand an FBI investigation into this stonewalling!


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Yes... we must find that second spear chucker ... that
damage can not be explained by the "single spear" theory


Did they have 6-story buildings and grassy knolls in prehistoric times?
:-)

Guess thats the question of this whole thread isn't it..... ;-)~




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"Robert J. Kolker" wrote in message
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Paul R. Mays wrote:

Is it proof.. nope.. but its a valid piece of evidence...

Evidence of what? That you can connect dots?

Bob Kolker


Evidence you need a reading comprehension course....

"Mark" wrote in message
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In article "Paul R. Mays" writes:
Do you actually think some guy came along and provided evidence
of a round earth and everybody said ..that's it..

Of course, because you can see it directly. The horizon is BELOW
horizontal when standing on a hill. QED.

Then you didn't read that part about throwing folks in jail
and sticking sharp stuff through folks that made the claims for
years and years after the concept was presented did you...

You seem to think that the knowledge base you have to
consider a observation is the same knowledge base that
was had when the first few dudes stood on the hills and
said "check this out.. I go up a hill I can see a more distant
horizon"

That's called evidence... its disputed by the existing view..
(back then) ... some, in a flat earth Newsgroup of the times,
sat around yelling Kook... Kook.... Kook... and the guy on
the hill just stood there calmly saying "Look for yourself"
Don't believe authority on either side and "Look for yourself"

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:18:06 -0400, "Paul R. Mays"
wrote:


Yep I do.. never said other wize... But are you telling me that you did
as I suggested and referanced a map of Gaza and Orion as I mentioned?


Are you attempting to claim that Egyptians reproducing what
they saw in the sky in the layout of the pyramids with simple
math is proof of an ancient civilization more advanced than
they were?






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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:16:07 -0400, "Paul R. Mays"
wrote:


"DrPostman" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:43:01 -0400, "Paul R. Mays"
wrote:


Now If a reasonable civilization were to form after the
event they have 40 to 55 k years to develop a
city based culture.

Why would a reduction of humans down to a few thousand
cause them to suddenly build cities?

It didn't ... its the reduction and the cause of the reduction
for why we don't find the remains... ( not my theory)

I don't blame you for not claiming that.


The theory is that a large building civilization existed during the ice
age and had progressed to building large cities with technology lost.

That the cities would have been built along water ways due to
transportation, food and environments of the time... those areas would
today be hundreds of miles out to sea and under 400 to 600 feet of
ocean and 30 to 100 feet of ocean floor. The cities that would
have existed at higher altitude ( very few) would have been rebuilt,
resettled and modified by later varied civilizations to the point that
finding predating evidence is a hard thing to uncover.. We have a
hell of a time today just filling in the data on civilizations of just
5k years ago... and are just now finding many cities under desert sands
and forested jungle.... and now and then we find a piece of evidence
that points to a time before our current theory says humans had developed.

Proof ... no not at all.. never said it was... but there is evidence..

We have found habitats of humans going back many tens of thousands
of years. Why have we never located any of these civilizations you
claim existed, when we can locate habitats for even the early stages
of human development?




Once again you forget habitats that go back many tens of thousands
of years. It also appears that you believe that the entire Earth was
covered in ice. That might have occurred many millions of years
ago, and that theory is still very new, but there is no evidence that
it ever happened in the last ice age.

The evidence is that at around 70 k years ago a major reduction in the
human ( and other living things) was hit hard and the population dropped
drastically.. evidence says that the European and north American
ice sheets covered all the land ( and oceans) down to about Ohio
,Germany, ect.. and Ice flows covered the southern hemisphere
up to Peru.. And there is evidence that the equatorial zone was
much, much colder and had seasons more like north America.

This means that we will not find any evidence of cultured civilizations
in those areas... And the ocean was 400 to 600 feet lower and we can
find where old water ways ran and that where we would look under
a few hundred feet of ocean floor for any major evidence.. Minor
evidence may be found on what would have been the High Lands but
will be hard to verify due to successive groups reusing, modifying, digging
and generally screwing up a previous civilizations left overs...

You are so wrong. There are pre ice age habitats that have
been discovered where there was once glaciers.


I have gotten yelled at and called a kook for suggesting someone
map the Gaza and see if at a time around 10 to 15 k ago they
match.. I did it and they match all 7 Gaza pyramids and the
7 stars of Orion.. and the Nile.. and due to precession the only
time that they do match is then... all I ask is Why and explain
how if built as present theory says the match could exist..

Who says they can't? They connected their rulers to the
stars and laid out the pattern of Orion when building
the pyramids at Giza.


Again..not my theory... but I read about the match and got
my own maps and charted them... got a copy of a astronomical
map software and rotated it back through time and found the
period where all the points matched.. I find it astounding....

Is it proof.. nope.. but its a valid piece of evidence...


Amazing how people are so quick to think that our ancestors were
stupid and/or incapable of complicated and intricate works.






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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:33:42 -0400, "Paul R. Mays"
wrote:



Hancock has spent his life preying upon the passionately credulous
such
as yourself. He has no background in any of the areas he claims to be
an expert in. Yet you would rather take his theories over those of
hundreds of thousands of geologists, anthropologists, etc...

Amazing.

I do not... I didn't ever say his theories are valid.. and I would care
less
if he was a 13yo drop out. He points to evidence that I can go and
check myself... I've read the standard views from all the above and
I've read several other theories... and with new finds being found all
the time I would say the the jury is out and that mans knowledge base
has a lot to learn....


The jury is still out about what? Have you ever read any real
archeology books, written by real archeology specialists?





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