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Although I like Pike's comment about cultural hegemony, I do think there
might be one good application for SS Jr. As a rapid deployment vehicle for drones. UAVs can be flow over hostile airspace to very remote areas and deployed from a cargo compartment of an SS Jr. Deployment anywhere in the world in 2 hrs if you don't care about drone recovery. The problem as with all these concepts is that SS Jr. needs a friendly place to land or there is no 'shuttle' component to the concept. I would suggest the Air Force seriously talk to the Navy about means to land SS Jr. on a carrier. Of course I can just see the Air Bosses freaking out about yeilding deckspace to an incoming USV being piloted remotely by a wing wiper... Not on my watch Farce boy.... Dave |
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David Spain writes:
I would suggest the Air Force seriously talk to the Navy about means to land SS Jr. on a carrier. Of course I can just see the Air Bosses freaking out about yeilding deckspace to an incoming USV being piloted remotely by a wing wiper... Not on my watch Farce boy.... A more realizable senario, USAF and USN work out an interservice C&C protocol for the USV. USAF is responsible for launch, mid-course corrections, re-entry and UAV deploy, whereupon USAF takes over control of UAV and hands off recovery of USV to USN for carrier landing or USN station landing or maintains control for USAF base landing. And if the USN wants in on the cool parts, if they have a launch facility that can handle the USV the roles can be reversed.... Everybody wins... Of course there'll be icicles forming in hell before I see a practical interservice C&C protocol... Hoping I'm wrong. Anybody got a good counter-example? Dave |
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Quadibloc wrote:
On Jan 31, 3:08 pm, Pat Flannery wrote: This is fine, but if you can pick it up from enemy territory via a C-141, you could also have put your thirteen Marines in via a C-141, rather than shooting them through space. One assumes they need the troops there sooner. I like their "two hours to anywhere in the world" scenario as it doesn't take into account briefing the troops on their mission, suiting them up and loading their supplies onto the Hot Eagle, moving the Hot Eagle to the pad, and then fueling and launching it. That is going to take a lot more than two hours right there, without even including the flight itself. Pat |
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On Feb 1, 10:39*am, Pat Flannery wrote:
That is going to take a lot more than two hours right there, without even including the flight itself. This is true. Do you think that encouraging brevity in mission briefings, or having troops being briefed by a video conference while they're on their way, might work better than a faster transportation system, then, since their escorts could keep up? Still, I can see _one_ scenario where getting a squad of Marines anywhere on two hours' notice could be highly useful - say a hostage rescue? John Savard |
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David Spain writes:
The problem as with all these concepts is that SS Jr. needs a friendly place to land or there is no 'shuttle' component to the concept. Well, I overlooked the most obvious solution to this problem. SS Jr. aka USV is orbital, ergo, UAV is deployed in orbit and retro'd back into the atmosphere over target. USV then continues orbiting until a return to launch point window opens then flown home. Well, duh. Sorry Pat.... Dave PS: This *does* complicate the UAV a bit, it will need a TPS as well as the USV. But it's small and fairly lightweight, that should help. |
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David Spain writes:
David Spain writes: Well, I overlooked the most obvious solution to this problem. SS Jr. aka Speaking of duh.... I'm having fun with this idea. Here's another one, use the USV to 'park' a UAV in orbit. Put a few of these in various orbits then call down the UAV when needed and return the USV to launch point for refurbishment... Dave |
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David Spain writes:
I'm having fun with this idea. Here's another one, use the USV to 'park' a UAV in orbit. Does this violate the Space Treaty, or does it cover only nuclear weapons in orbit? Dave |
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Quadibloc wrote:
On Jan 31, 12:26?am, Pat Flannery wrote: Just what we need - the space equivalent of Operation Market Garden. On which the movie "A Bridge Too Far" was based. Which itself was based on the book of the same name by Cornelius Ryan. rick jones -- I don't interest myself in "why". I think more often in terms of "when", sometimes "where"; always "how much." - Joubert these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH... |
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Quadibloc wrote:
On Feb 1, 10:39 am, Pat Flannery wrote: That is going to take a lot more than two hours right there, without even including the flight itself. This is true. Do you think that encouraging brevity in mission briefings, or having troops being briefed by a video conference while they're on their way, "We're going _where_? To do _what_? Get me the hell out of this thing!" But by then, it will be too late... :-D might work better than a faster transportation system, then, since their escorts could keep up? Still, I can see _one_ scenario where getting a squad of Marines anywhere on two hours' notice could be highly useful - say a hostage rescue? The kidnappers will suspect nothing as the sonic boom comes out of the sky from overhead and the Hot Eagle begins descending under its parachute towards them. By then they will be so completely awed that they will be cowered into politeness...and not just shoot the Marines as they exit the hatch on the vehicle. There's a great "Bill, The Galactic Hero" episode lurking here. :-D Pat |
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David Spain wrote:
David Spain writes: I'm having fun with this idea. Here's another one, use the USV to 'park' a UAV in orbit. Does this violate the Space Treaty, or does it cover only nuclear weapons in orbit? I think that only applies to nuclear weapons. Pat |
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