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Breaking News! NASA Astronaut Marsha Ivins ****ting Her Diapers!
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/for...d=8071&start=1
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/for...ts=367&start=1 Better get some more depends, Marsha. -- Get A Free Orbiter Space Flight Simulator : http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html |
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Breaking News! NASA Astronaut Marsha Ivins ****ting Her Diapers!
Like I say, nobody wants to get too far into this project before Bush is
replaced? Brian -- Brian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email. graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them Email: __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________ "kT" wrote in message ... http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/for...d=8071&start=1 http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/for...ts=367&start=1 Better get some more depends, Marsha. -- Get A Free Orbiter Space Flight Simulator : http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html |
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Breaking News! NASA Astronaut Marsha Ivins ****ting Her Diapers!
Brian Gaff wrote: Like I say, nobody wants to get too far into this project before Bush is replaced? I assume that's the case, yes. I think this whole program has the life expectancy on a mayfly come November 7, 2008, if not sooner. Pat |
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Breaking News! NASA Astronaut Marsha Ivins ****ting Her Diapers!
"Pat Flannery" wrote in message ... Brian Gaff wrote: Like I say, nobody wants to get too far into this project before Bush is replaced? I assume that's the case, yes. I think this whole program has the life expectancy on a mayfly come November 7, 2008, if not sooner. Although a replacement for the shuttle doesn't have to wait. I bet they make the CEV work somehow. By reducing the crew maybe, which might be a clue it's not meant for the moon anymore. Although I defer to all of you on the rocket science stuff. It's just what we do with the new hardware, George W shouldn't be allowed to decide. He's just not qualified. I bet our President hasn't spent more than half a day /in total/ discussing/reading/meeting about the future of NASA. Pat |
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Breaking News! NASA Astronaut Marsha Ivins ****ting Her Diapers!
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Jonathan wrote: It's just what we do with the new hardware, George W shouldn't be allowed to decide. He's just not qualified. Almost certainly he is blessing -- perhaps reluctantly, given how feeble his support has been at budget time -- decisions reached by others. I bet our President hasn't spent more than half a day /in total/ discussing/reading/meeting about the future of NASA. You are being unrealistic if you expect very much more. Even an alert, attentive President is a really, really, really, really busy guy, with a thousand issues vying for his time. NASA scores poorly on almost every measure of political importance, nowadays; it cannot reasonably expect much of his attention. -- spsystems.net is temporarily off the air; | Henry Spencer mail to henry at zoo.utoronto.ca instead. | |
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Breaking News! NASA Astronaut Marsha Ivins ****ting Her Diapers!
Henry Spencer wrote:
... NASA scores poorly on almost every measure of political importance, nowadays; it cannot reasonably expect much of his attention. Moreover, it always has, if Murray & Cox are to be believed. Eisenhower and, initially, Kennedy, were quite disinterested in NASA. JFK was even ready to dissolve the National Space Council had Johnson not stepped in and taken it over. -- Dave Michelson |
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Breaking News! NASA Astronaut Marsha Ivins ****ting Her Diapers!
"Henry Spencer" wrote in message ... In article , Jonathan wrote: It's just what we do with the new hardware, George W shouldn't be allowed to decide. He's just not qualified. Almost certainly he is blessing -- perhaps reluctantly, given how feeble his support has been at budget time -- decisions reached by others. By who though? I spent some time trying to figure that out. The Vision was started by some junior White House staffers. And Nasa wasn't even consulted at first, they were brought in later and told what the plan would be. And when you combine that with the fact it mirrors so closely his fathers initiative, it's hard not to place the responsibility on the President. I think he provided the overall goal, and the details are left to others. I bet our President hasn't spent more than half a day /in total/ discussing/reading/meeting about the future of NASA. You are being unrealistic if you expect very much more. Even an alert, attentive President is a really, really, really, really busy guy, with a thousand issues vying for his time. NASA scores poorly on almost every measure of political importance, nowadays; it cannot reasonably expect much of his attention. NASA doesn't deserve more than a passing interest by our political leadership! Why is that? And how can this sad situation be changed? It's because NASA doesn't get many votes. To the moon and mars has had its shot to inspire the public and failed. We can change that by using some common sense to design a goal. And ask ourselves the following questions. What are the greatest concerns of the voters? Out of that list, what concerns could NASA provide a realistic answer for? And like any max/min equation you try to solve the maximum amount of problems with the fewest or one program. CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. "How important is it to you that the President and Congress deal with each of the following issues in the next year? Is it extremely important, . . ." http://www.pollingreport.com/prioriti.htm The situation in Iraq 59% Terrorism 54 Health care policy44 The economy 38 The federal budget deficit 37 Energy policies 34 Illegal immigration 32 Taxes 31 Global warming 29 Stem cell research 18 How many of those national priorities would the moon and mars connect to? Answer zero. But space solar power? Future energy costs, global warming, wars over oil. Our meddling in the Middle East is a big source of terrorism, in fact 911 was a direct result of our military presense in Saudi Arabia. A brighter energy future effects our future budgets and ability to afford other societal needs such as health care, pure research and so on. Why I'll be damned. Space solar power can be a potential solution to ALL of our national priorities to one extent or another. And a primary solution to some of our greatest ones. And that's not even mentioning the effect on jump starting commercial space flight or all the other space projects and colonies SSP could enable. Why isn't this obvious? SSP could do more than just get votes, it could do more than just make NASA relevant again. It could make NASA the focus of our national aspirations. Just as it was not all that long ago. You can't recapture the glory days with a simple do-over. As the times have changed. A simple repitition won't have the same effect. You have to figure out the qualities that made it work before in the ...abstract. So you can redesign a new goal that will work as well for todays problems. I dare anyone to find a different goal that could rival SSP in potential votes/support...importance to society and our future. -- spsystems.net is temporarily off the air; | Henry Spencer mail to henry at zoo.utoronto.ca instead. | |
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Breaking News! NASA Astronaut Marsha Ivins ****ting Her Diapers!
Brian Gaff wrote:
Like I say, nobody wants to get too far into this project before Bush is replaced? Most of us would prefer it to die immediately. Ares I and the VSE will go down as the *WORST* engineering debacle in modern history, that it was fraudulently perpetrated makes it worse. What did Marsha Ivins know, and when did she know it? -- Get A Free Orbiter Space Flight Simulator : http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html |
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Breaking News! NASA Astronaut Marsha Ivins ****ting Her Diapers!
"kT" wrote in message ... Brian Gaff wrote: Like I say, nobody wants to get too far into this project before Bush is replaced? Most of us would prefer it to die immediately. Ares I and the VSE will go down as the *WORST* engineering debacle in modern history, that it was fraudulently perpetrated makes it worse. Isn't the six crew on the CEV a requirement for moon shots? If they downsized it to four, would the stick be enough of a booster then? I haven't been trying to follow the technical side of this story. What did Marsha Ivins know, and when did she know it? -- Get A Free Orbiter Space Flight Simulator : http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html |
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Breaking News! NASA Astronaut Marsha Ivins ****ting Her Diapers!
Jonathan wrote:
"kT" wrote in message ... Brian Gaff wrote: Like I say, nobody wants to get too far into this project before Bush is replaced? Most of us would prefer it to die immediately. Ares I and the VSE will go down as the *WORST* engineering debacle in modern history, that it was fraudulently perpetrated makes it worse. Isn't the six crew on the CEV a requirement for moon shots? No, it's always been a crew of four, with all four going to the surface. One has to begin wondering some some bible college graduate just made this **** up, the entire mission from beginning to end is like some kind of elementary school child's class project. We used to do things like this all the time back in the post sputnik /Apollo educational era. If they downsized it to four, would the stick be enough of a booster then? I haven't been trying to follow the technical side of this story. There is no technical side of the story, except as an analytic description of how major engineering projects can go horribly awry. What did Marsha Ivins know, and when did she know it? Really, the whole VSE and ESAS story has now become almost obscene. And just think, these people will have to live with this damn rocket. I would hate to have that thing strung around my neck all the time. Think it through, people, this is what you will be remembered for. -- Get A Free Orbiter Space Flight Simulator : http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html |
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