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Old September 1st 16, 11:54 PM posted to sci.space.policy
Fred J. McCall[_3_]
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JF Mezei wrote:

On 2016-09-01 15:31, Fred J. McCall wrote:

They already have one. Do you ever bother to look up even the most
trivial things before you drop your trousers here and show your ass?


§o you are stating that SpaceX already have an adaptor to carry modules
such an an MPLM, a node or DESTINY to the station , along with the
fairing for it ? (along with power/data to keep heaters and telemetry
running during flight).


You understand that they launch satellites on the ****ing things,
right? You don't have to keep anything "running during flight". The
Shuttle didn't.

MPLM wasn't an ISS module. It was a cargo pod. They call that
'Dragon' now.

Destiny is 4.2 meters in diameter and 8.4 meters long. The standard
payload fairing for Falcon vehicles is 4.6 meters in internal diameter
with an internal length of 11 meters. Over the last 3.3 meters of
height the internal diameter narrows clear down to 1.45 meters in a
linear fashion. So something as long as Destiny with that diameter
won't quite fit (with a 4.2 meter diameter requirement the maximum
length is about 7.1 meters). So if you have to replace it you build
it in two pieces. Yes, this is rocket science, but it's rocket
science someone in Jr High ought to be able to do.

Note that none of this information is difficult to find.

http://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/f...de_rev_2.0.pdf

http://www.spacex.com/about/capabilities

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destiny_(ISS_module)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-...gistics_Module

You know, the point of this newsgroup, being in the sci hierarchy, is
DISCUSSION, not "I'm going to ask stupid questions and expect you all
to look up the answers that I could just as easily look up myself".


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Old September 2nd 16, 12:01 AM posted to sci.space.policy
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JF Mezei wrote:

On 2016-09-01 16:34, Fred J. McCall wrote:

No, they're tooling up to build new ones.


So they got budget funding to start building new SSMEs already ? I
thought NASA was going to stop and think about improvements before
starting to build new ones and that funding was way into the future.


Note "tooling up". That's pre-building. It takes money to stop and
think about improvements, so there better be funding.


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Old September 2nd 16, 02:00 AM posted to sci.space.policy
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JF Mezei wrote:

On 2016-09-01 18:54, Fred J. McCall wrote:

You understand that they launch satellites on the ****ing things,
right? You don't have to keep anything "running during flight". The
Shuttle didn't.


The shuttle had a "cradle" with hooks in special place to hold the
modules in place, as well as power/data support during flight.


Why? They were inert cargo.


MPLM wasn't an ISS module. It was a cargo pod. They call that
'Dragon' now.


MPLM was an ISS module without the long term micro meteorite shields and
without enough systems to stay bertheall the time. But its shape, attach
points, CBM hatchs and tooking to construct by Alenia was the same as
Columbus and at least one of the nodes in the station. So from a
transportation point of view, very much an ISS module.


Then so are Progress and Dragon.


And yes, every module sent to ISS was powered by shuttle during flight
for both power and data (power to keep heaters running). And one
grappled by the arm at station, it was the arm that provided power/data
to module.


Cite? I'm curious why they would do that. It seems pointless. A lot
of modules went up on Proton. How'd that work, magic?



linear fashion. So something as long as Destiny with that diameter
won't quite fit (with a 4.2 meter diameter requirement the maximum
length is about 7.1 meters).


So you agree that current Flacon can't carry it. It needs special
hardware to carry ISS modules. (not just size but also structural
attache pointto transfer G forces without ripping the aluminium cans open).


Not at all. Existing modules were sized to the Shuttle. New modules
would be sized to fit current boosters. Again, a lot of the Russian
modules went up on Proton with no 'can ripping' problems at all.


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Old September 2nd 16, 02:08 AM posted to sci.space.policy
Fred J. McCall[_3_]
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JF Mezei wrote:

On 2016-09-01 19:01, Fred J. McCall wrote:

Note "tooling up". That's pre-building. It takes money to stop and
think about improvements, so there better be funding.


You don't tool until you have a final design so you know what you're
building and with what materials.


Of course you do because you know what it's going to take to build a
lot of the parts.


This could simply be NASA trying to secure the tooling that was used to
build SSMEs in the past. But they wouldn't be building new tooking from
scratch until they have finalised what they will build.


It could be magical unicorn farts, but it isn't.


Right now, they've only modified software/sensors, so if they want to
make those engines affordable to build as expandables, they will need to
work hard on the design.


I'm so glad they put you in charge, what with you knowing so much
better than everyone else and all.

Again, this stuff is NOT hard to find, you ignorant yammerhead.

http://aviationweek.com/space/aeroje...xpendable-ssme

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2016...25-production/

http://space.stackexchange.com/quest...cturing-the-rs

There's lots more. Are you really too stupid to use Google, or are
you just too lazy?


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Old September 2nd 16, 09:35 PM posted to sci.space.policy
Fred J. McCall[_3_]
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JF Mezei wrote:

On 2016-09-01 21:08, Fred J. McCall wrote:

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2016...25-production/


Thanks for update. Last I had read, NASA was still mulling on whether to
make serious updates to RS25 or just do the minor sensor/software ones
it had done already. Looks like they chose the later.

I was unaware that NASA had gone as far as getting 1 billion bucks to
give to Rocketdyne to think about restarting production.

Does Rocketdyne actually have the go ahead to produce those 6 engines?
or will that be a separate contract ?


What does the story say?

No, they do not have a contract to actually produce engines. There
are provisions in the current contract to allow it to be extended
(with more money, presumably) to produce 6 engines.

In other words, what's going on is precisely what I originally said.
They're tooling up to produce engines.


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