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China 'could reach Moon by 2020'
China 'could reach Moon by 2020' By Paul Rincon Science reporter, BBC News http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7506715.stm Dr Griffin says the US and Chinese space agencies are co-operating China is capable of sending a manned mission to the Moon within the next decade, if it so wishes, Nasa administrator Michael Griffin has said. The US space agency plans to return people to the lunar surface by 2020 using its new Orion spacecraft. But it is just possible the first people on the Moon since the Apollo 17 mission in 1972 could be planting a flag with five stars, not 50. In 2003, China became only the third country to launch a person into orbit. Speaking to the BBC News website during a visit to London, Dr Griffin said: "Certainly it is possible that if China wants to put people on the Moon, and if it wishes to do so before the United States, it certainly can. As a matter of technical capability, it absolutely can." Chinese officials say there is no plan and no timetable for a Moon landing, and have expressed doubt that one could be made by 2020. Ambitious programmes But Sun Laiyan, chief of the China National Space Administration (CNSA), told journalists last year that an eventual lunar excursion was inevitable. On whether it mattered who reached the Moon next, Dr Griffin replied: "I'm not a psychologist, so I can't say if it matters or not. That would just be an opinion and I don't want to air an opinion in an area that I'm not qualified to discuss." We do have some early co-operative initiatives that we are trying to put in place with China, mostly centred around scientific enterprises Dr Michael Griffin Nasa Administrator But there is a perception among some in the space industry that America's long-held dominance in space exploration is slipping as other nations enter the fray. A recent report by the US consultancy firm, Futron, found other countries were expanding their space capabilities at an astonishing rate, "threatening US space leadership". China has sent two manned missions into space over the last five years. The first, in 2003, carried "yuhangyuan" (astronaut) Yang Liwei into orbit for 21 hours aboard the Shenzhou 5 spacecraft. On the second, two spacemen flew aboard the Shenzhou 6 craft, spending nearly five days in orbit. Another manned mission is set to go ahead in October, just after the Beijing Olympic Games. Dr Griffin said the US and China were now making the first tentative steps towards collaborating with each other on space exploration. "We do have some early co-operative initiatives that we are trying to put in place with China, mostly centred around scientific enterprises. I think that's a great place to start," he said. Five-year gap "I think we're always better off if we can find areas where we can collaborate rather than quarrel. I would remind your [audience] that the first US-Soviet human co-operation took place in 1975, virtually at the height of the Cold War." "And it led, 18 years later, to discussions about an International Space Station (ISS) programme in which we're now involved." India's space programme is smaller than China's, but is making great strides. The South Asian country will launch its Chandrayaan unmanned Moon probe later this year. It has also announced ambitious plans for a manned programme. Since joining Nasa as its administrator in 2005, Dr Griffin has overseen the implementation of President George W Bush's Vision for Space Exploration, which aims to return Americans to the Moon by 2020, and send them on, at some undetermined date, to Mars. He has presided over Nasa's efforts to complete construction of the ISS in time for a retirement of the space shuttle in 2010. However, its replacements, the Orion spacecraft and Ares rockets, will not be ready until March 2015. This leaves a five-year gap during which the US will have no spacecraft capable of reaching the space station. Last year, Dr Griffin told the US Congress that this gap could be shortened to 2013 with the injection of $2bn extra in funds. The request was ultimately turned down. He now says: "Even if a new president and a new Congress decided they wanted to shorten the gap between shuttle retirement and Ares and Orion deployment, at this point with water over the dam, even if they were substantially increasing our funding, we would be talking about 2014 as the earliest." Nasa has given seed money to commercial ventures in order to spur development of a manned craft capable of re-supplying the ISS. But also has the option of buying some of the European Space Agency's ATV (Automated Transfer Vehicle) resupply craft. |
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Agent Smith wrote:
China 'could reach Moon by 2020' By Paul Rincon Science reporter, BBC News http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7506715.stm [snip delusions of a madman] Michael Griffin is a delusional liar who will say or do anything to salvage his legacy, which is now beyond salvaging, but he doesn't realize that. This guy is almost an exact clone of George W. Bush. |
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China 'could reach Moon by 2020'
On Jul 15, 4:32*pm, kT wrote:
Agent Smith wrote: China 'could reach Moon by 2020' * By Paul Rincon Science reporter, BBC News * http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7506715.stm [snip delusions of a madman] Michael Griffin is a delusional liar who will say or do anything to salvage his legacy, which is now beyond salvaging, but he doesn't realize that. This guy is almost an exact clone of George W. Bush. Bush is not a liar, whatever this Michael Griffin is. |
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China 'could reach Moon by 2020'
Why not China taking the Google X prize, and thumb their nose at us.
How much extra is Google/NOVA willing to pay if there's no sign of anything except Apollo impact debris or simply a few hard-landing deployed artifacts? - Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth Agent Smith wrote: China 'could reach Moon by 2020' By Paul Rincon Science reporter, BBC News http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7506715.stm Dr Griffin says the US and Chinese space agencies are co-operating China is capable of sending a manned mission to the Moon within the next decade, if it so wishes, Nasa administrator Michael Griffin has said. The US space agency plans to return people to the lunar surface by 2020 using its new Orion spacecraft. But it is just possible the first people on the Moon since the Apollo 17 mission in 1972 could be planting a flag with five stars, not 50. In 2003, China became only the third country to launch a person into orbit. Speaking to the BBC News website during a visit to London, Dr Griffin said: "Certainly it is possible that if China wants to put people on the Moon, and if it wishes to do so before the United States, it certainly can. As a matter of technical capability, it absolutely can." Chinese officials say there is no plan and no timetable for a Moon landing, and have expressed doubt that one could be made by 2020. Ambitious programmes But Sun Laiyan, chief of the China National Space Administration (CNSA), told journalists last year that an eventual lunar excursion was inevitable. On whether it mattered who reached the Moon next, Dr Griffin replied: "I'm not a psychologist, so I can't say if it matters or not. That would just be an opinion and I don't want to air an opinion in an area that I'm not qualified to discuss." We do have some early co-operative initiatives that we are trying to put in place with China, mostly centred around scientific enterprises Dr Michael Griffin Nasa Administrator But there is a perception among some in the space industry that America's long-held dominance in space exploration is slipping as other nations enter the fray. A recent report by the US consultancy firm, Futron, found other countries were expanding their space capabilities at an astonishing rate, "threatening US space leadership". China has sent two manned missions into space over the last five years. The first, in 2003, carried "yuhangyuan" (astronaut) Yang Liwei into orbit for 21 hours aboard the Shenzhou 5 spacecraft. On the second, two spacemen flew aboard the Shenzhou 6 craft, spending nearly five days in orbit. Another manned mission is set to go ahead in October, just after the Beijing Olympic Games. Dr Griffin said the US and China were now making the first tentative steps towards collaborating with each other on space exploration. "We do have some early co-operative initiatives that we are trying to put in place with China, mostly centred around scientific enterprises. I think that's a great place to start," he said. Five-year gap "I think we're always better off if we can find areas where we can collaborate rather than quarrel. I would remind your [audience] that the first US-Soviet human co-operation took place in 1975, virtually at the height of the Cold War." "And it led, 18 years later, to discussions about an International Space Station (ISS) programme in which we're now involved." India's space programme is smaller than China's, but is making great strides. The South Asian country will launch its Chandrayaan unmanned Moon probe later this year. It has also announced ambitious plans for a manned programme. Since joining Nasa as its administrator in 2005, Dr Griffin has overseen the implementation of President George W Bush's Vision for Space Exploration, which aims to return Americans to the Moon by 2020, and send them on, at some undetermined date, to Mars. He has presided over Nasa's efforts to complete construction of the ISS in time for a retirement of the space shuttle in 2010. However, its replacements, the Orion spacecraft and Ares rockets, will not be ready until March 2015. This leaves a five-year gap during which the US will have no spacecraft capable of reaching the space station. Last year, Dr Griffin told the US Congress that this gap could be shortened to 2013 with the injection of $2bn extra in funds. The request was ultimately turned down. He now says: "Even if a new president and a new Congress decided they wanted to shorten the gap between shuttle retirement and Ares and Orion deployment, at this point with water over the dam, even if they were substantially increasing our funding, we would be talking about 2014 as the earliest." Nasa has given seed money to commercial ventures in order to spur development of a manned craft capable of re-supplying the ISS. But also has the option of buying some of the European Space Agency's ATV (Automated Transfer Vehicle) resupply craft. |
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Lots of countries could put a man on the Moon before 2020 if they felt
it was worthwhile to make a big effort to do so. Including the United States - they have the microfilmed blueprints, they have actual F-1 engines to reverse-engineer - if we absolutely *had* to get someone on the Moon within five years, the United States certainly could do the job. There are the landing sites of Apollo 18, 19, and 20 from which further useful geological information about the Moon could be obtained. However, with today's computer technology, why not simply do an automated sample-return mission - since *that* will shortly be done for Mars, it certainly could be done for the Moon on a much quicker basis. The only question is whether it is worth doing for the cost and given other things the time, effort, and money could be spent on. As this is a question that weighs strongly on the *entire* space program, though, I'm not surprised the focus is on the most important projects - such as Mars, which could conceivably have life, which could perhaps be used for permanent human settlement, which has not yet been visited by astronauts - to the exclusion of any additional things that might also be useful to do. John Savard |
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China 'could reach Moon by 2020'
"Agent Smith" wrote in message
. 33.102... China 'could reach Moon by 2020' By Paul Rincon Science reporter, BBC News I wonder if the rocket will look like a Saturn V and the spacecraft will be uncannilly like the Apollo CSM and LM. Those Chinese communist scum can't do anything original. This political statement was free of charge. We now return you to abnormal programming. |
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China 'could reach Moon by 2020'
"Quadibloc" wrote in message ... | Lots of countries could put a man on the Moon before 2020 if they felt | it was worthwhile to make a big effort to do so. Including the United | States - they have the microfilmed blueprints, they have actual F-1 | engines to reverse-engineer - if we absolutely *had* to get someone on | the Moon within five years, the United States certainly could do the | job. | | There are the landing sites of Apollo 18, 19, and 20 from which | further useful geological information about the Moon could be | obtained. However, with today's computer technology, why not simply do | an automated sample-return mission - since *that* will shortly be done | for Mars, it certainly could be done for the Moon on a much quicker | basis. | | The only question is whether it is worth doing for the cost and given | other things the time, effort, and money could be spent on. As this is | a question that weighs strongly on the *entire* space program, though, | I'm not surprised the focus is on the most important projects - such | as Mars, which could conceivably have life, which could perhaps be | used for permanent human settlement, which has not yet been visited by | astronauts - to the exclusion of any additional things that might also | be useful to do. | | John Savard Yeah, and Baron Victor von Frankenstein could "conceivably" have assembled body parts to "perhaps" make a man live again - although his castle has not yet been visited by astro-noughts - to the exclusion of any additional things that might also be useful to do. Why not terraform Antarctica? Perfect gravity, perfect atmosphere, water in abundance, 24/7 sunshine six months a year... just warm it up a bit and start farming. Mars is too cold to be an important project. Beats me why we have to go hunting on other planets when all we do is kill any life we find here for sport. What's wrong with hunting whales on Mars anyway, you want to find ****in' life there? Hunting minerals I can understand, but Antarctica is the cheaper option. |
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China 'could reach Moon by 2020'
"Agent Smith" wrote in message . 33.102... China 'could reach Moon by 2020' By Paul Rincon Science reporter, BBC News http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7506715.stm Dr Griffin says the US and Chinese space agencies are co-operating China is capable of sending a manned mission to the Moon within the next decade, if it so wishes, Nasa administrator Michael Griffin has said. The US space agency plans to return people to the lunar surface by 2020 using its new Orion spacecraft. But it is just possible the first people on the Moon since the Apollo 17 mission in 1972 could be planting a flag with five stars, not 50. In 2003, China became only the third country to launch a person into orbit. Speaking to the BBC News website during a visit to London, Dr Griffin said: "Certainly it is possible that if China wants to put people on the Moon, and if it wishes to do so before the United States, it certainly can. As a matter of technical capability, it absolutely can." Chinese officials say there is no plan and no timetable for a Moon landing, and have expressed doubt that one could be made by 2020. Ambitious programmes But Sun Laiyan, chief of the China National Space Administration (CNSA), told journalists last year that an eventual lunar excursion was inevitable. On whether it mattered who reached the Moon next, Dr Griffin replied: "I'm not a psychologist, so I can't say if it matters or not. That would just be an opinion and I don't want to air an opinion in an area that I'm not qualified to discuss." We do have some early co-operative initiatives that we are trying to put in place with China, mostly centred around scientific enterprises I would say that it's nigh impossible for the Chinese to reach the moon before the U.S. does. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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On 16 Jul, 02:34, calvin wrote:
Michael Griffin is a delusional liar who will say or do anything to salvage his legacy, which is now beyond salvaging, but he doesn't realize that. This guy is almost an exact clone of George W. Bush. Bush is not a liar, whatever this Michael Griffin is. Oh, so there was WMD in Iraq. - Ian Parker |
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China 'could reach Moon by 2020'
Ian Parker wrote:
:On 16 Jul, 02:34, calvin wrote: : : Michael Griffin is a delusional liar who will say or do anything to : salvage his legacy, which is now beyond salvaging, but he doesn't : realize that. This guy is almost an exact clone of George W. Bush. : : Bush is not a liar, whatever this Michael Griffin is. : :Oh, so there was WMD in Iraq. : There is a difference between being wrong and being a liar. Of course, you are both, so perhaps you cannot differentiate... -- "You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear." -- Mark Twain |
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