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Suggestions for finding M49 from Vindemiatrix?
What will M49 look like in a 4.5 Dob? Thanks. Bruce |
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Suggestions for finding M49 from Vindemiatrix?
What will M49 look like in a 4.5 Dob? Thanks. Bruce It will look at least as good as it does in most binos, so do a Google on "M49 binoculars" and you will get a bunch of hits about finding it and what it will look like. In fact, it would probably be worth your while to first find it in binos before trying your scope. Dennis |
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Bruce wrote:
Suggestions for finding M49 from Vindemiatrix? What will M49 look like in a 4.5 Dob? Start from the star and go west to the finderscope double star Rho Virginis. If you are using a Dob, you can use a finderscope to form a very thin triangle or slightly curved arc between Epsilon, Rho, and M49 out on the far end about the same distance from Rho as Rho is from Epsilon. It is a fairly bright galaxy, but in a 4.5 inch, it will basically be a small faint fuzzy spot with a brighter middle. It will show no other detail in your scope, as it is an elliptical galaxy. Clear skies to you. -- David W. Knisely Prairie Astronomy Club: http://www.prairieastronomyclub.org Hyde Memorial Observatory: http://www.hydeobservatory.info/ ********************************************** * Attend the 14th Annual NEBRASKA STAR PARTY * * July 15th-20th, 2007, Merritt Reservoir * * http://www.NebraskaStarParty.org * ********************************************** |
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It is a fairly bright galaxy, but in a 4.5 inch, it will
basically be a small faint fuzzy spot with a brighter middle. It will show no other detail in your scope, as it is an elliptical galaxy. Clear skies to you. David, Thanks for your reply. I am thinking of upgrading to a Nexstar Se 6 or 8. How would the view of M49 compare with the view in the 4.5 Dob? Clear Skies. Bruce |
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On 11 May 2007 07:06:38 -0700, brucegooglegroups
wrote: Thanks for your reply. I am thinking of upgrading to a Nexstar Se 6 or 8. How would the view of M49 compare with the view in the 4.5 Dob? Why the obsession with M49? It is just another run-of-the-mill elliptical (i.e. round) fuzzball galaxy with the only thing of visual interest being the bright'ish foreground star situated near its nucleus. Are you confusing M49 with some other object? In my experience, the Nexstar 8SE is a great starter goto scope for almost anyone. That's how I restarted in the hobby after years of inactivity. It was a great scope that was highly portable and gave big views. The views of the same objects will be brighter in the 8 vs. the 4.5 dob, with the downside of a generally narrower field of view, and you'll be able to use more power on solar system objects and resolve more details. You'll need to get away from the city lights for the best view of deep sky objects with any telescope. --- Michael McCulloch |
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David,
Thanks for your reply. I am thinking of upgrading to a Nexstar Se 6 or 8. How would the view of M49 compare with the view in the 4.5 Dob? Well, a larger scope will make M49 a lot easier to see, but it will add little other detail. Elliptical galaxies are just huge spheres of stars with little gas and dust, so you won't see spiral arms or other structure, other than an oval fuzzy blob with a brighter middle. You might be able to see a tiny brighter core in a moderate to large scope, but otherwise, ellipticals are almost featureless. An 8 inch might show some spiral detail in a few galaxies, but it is often subtle detail at best. I have the NexStar 9.25 inch SCT, and it shows some detail in some of the brighter spiral galaxies, although again, much of the detail is faint and requires averted vision to see well. Clear skies to you -- David W. Knisely Prairie Astronomy Club: http://www.prairieastronomyclub.org Hyde Memorial Observatory: http://www.hydeobservatory.info/ ********************************************** * Attend the 14th Annual NEBRASKA STAR PARTY * * July 15th-20th, 2007, Merritt Reservoir * * http://www.NebraskaStarParty.org * ********************************************** |
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Why the obsession with M49? It is just another run-of-the-mill
elliptical (i.e. round) fuzzball galaxy with the only thing of visual interest being the bright'ish foreground star situated near its nucleus. Are you confusing M49 with some other object? In my experience, the Nexstar 8SE is a great starter goto scope for almost anyone. That's how I restarted in the hobby after years of inactivity. It was a great scope that was highly portable and gave big views. The views of the same objects will be brighter in the 8 vs. the 4.5 dob, with the downside of a generally narrower field of view, and you'll be able to use more power on solar system objects and resolve more details. You'll need to get away from the city lights for the best view of deep sky objects with any telescope. Let's face it - many/most objects don't look all that great in any 8" (or 10", or 12.5", etc) scope, which is why a lot of folks find much of their enjoyment in learning how to navigate the sky and locate stuff. For my sons and me, finding M49, and learning the area around it and noticing other stuff in the process is what observing is largely about, and is why we regularly spend time on targets that don't have much of a visual "wow" factor. Dennis |
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"brucegooglegroups" wrote in message oups.com... It is a fairly bright galaxy, but in a 4.5 inch, it will basically be a small faint fuzzy spot with a brighter middle. It will show no other detail in your scope, as it is an elliptical galaxy. Clear skies to you. David, Thanks for your reply. I am thinking of upgrading to a Nexstar Se 6 or 8. How would the view of M49 compare with the view in the 4.5 Dob? Stick with a Dob. Get more aperture. M49 won't look much different, but it will be brighter. I could go into the pros and cons of GoTo vs Dob, but it's been beaten to death in here. I will only say from my own experience, I found that with a GoTo scope, I was too complacent in doing my homework and found myself setting up, sitting back in the observing chair and staring up at the sky saying to myself, "what the hell am I suppose to do now?" I'd then go get a chart and figure out what was in my sky to look at. Usually that was too little too late and I'd not use the scope all that much once it was setup, but rather spend the time looking up and contemplating the miracle of existence, which I can do without a scope at all. ;-) With the Dob, I'm forced to self reliance and planning ahead, to figure out what constellations are up tonight, what objects each holds within its boundaries, and exactly between which two or three stars I need to aim my scope to see it. I plop the Dob out in the backyard and wait for darkness to fall. I then head out with the finder charts and a red LED flashlight, aim my Telrad to the predetermined location, and look into a low power (wide field of view) eyepiece and nudge around a little until I can find my target object. If I can't after a while, I move on to the next object. Either way, you have to know what's up there, when, and generally where. If you already know generally what, when, and where to look, then honing in on it isn't really that much trouble, in fact, it turns out to be a big part of why you're out there, not to mention it's a skill that will serve you well should you be without GoTo for some unforseen circumstance. -Steve Paul -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On May 10, 10:55 am, brucegooglegroups
wrote: Suggestions for finding M49 from Vindemiatrix? What will M49 look like in a 4.5 Dob? Thanks. Bruce As with all galaxies, that depends a whole lot more on how much light pollution you have than on the size of your scope. But as everyone else says, like most elliptical galaxies, M49 basically just looks like a blob. - Tony Flanders |
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On May 11, 12:00 pm, Michael McCulloch
wrote: Why the obsession with M49? It's one of the brightest galaxies in the Virgo Cluster -- maybe *the* brightest, depending which sources you believe. So it's a logical starting point for somebody trying to break into the Virgo Cluster. - Tony Flanders |
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