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Hi everyone,
I'm new to this forum and want to learn more about our solar system and beyond. I'm eight years old and feel too advanced for what my school are teaching me (poems about the order of the planets in our solar system!) I want to learn more. I know the basics but I'm struggling to understand the more advanced books and documentaries. Is there anyone who can help me understand beyond the basics? |
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 11:48:19 +0000, Lunar
wrote: Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum and want to learn more about our solar system and beyond. I'm eight years old and feel too advanced for what my school are teaching me (poems about the order of the planets in our solar system!) I want to learn more. I know the basics but I'm struggling to understand the more advanced books and documentaries. Is there anyone who can help me understand beyond the basics? Pick a topic and ask a specific question. See if anyone here can help. -- Remove del for email |
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On 23/10/2012 12:48, Lunar wrote:
Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum and want to learn more about our solar system and beyond. I'm eight years old and feel too advanced for what my school are teaching me (poems about the order of the planets in our solar system!) I want to learn more. Ask away and we will try to answer at the right level. There is also http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/...StarChild.html And probably more. ISTR there are some space fact trivia trading cards. The childrens books on science and astronomy review with wildly different 5* and 1* ratings for the same book so I'd try and borrow them from a public or school library until you find one you like! I know the basics but I'm struggling to understand the more advanced books and documentaries. Is there anyone who can help me understand beyond the basics? Decide which areas interest you and we can try and point you towards a book or online resource at about the right level. Worth a look in your local library to see if they have anything. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On Oct 23, 8:42*am, Martin Brown
wrote: On 23/10/2012 12:48, Lunar wrote: Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum and want to learn more about our solar system and beyond. I'm eight years old and feel too advanced for what my school are teaching me (poems about the order of the planets in our solar system!) I want to learn more. Ask away and we will try to answer at the right level. There is also http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/...StarChild.html And probably more. ISTR there are some space fact trivia trading cards. The childrens books on science and astronomy review with wildly different 5* and 1* ratings for the same book so I'd try and borrow them from a public or school library until you find one you like! I know the basics but I'm struggling to understand the more advanced books and documentaries. Is there anyone who can help me understand beyond the basics? Decide which areas interest you and we can try and point you towards a book or online resource at about the right level. Worth a look in your local library to see if they have anything. -- Regards, Martin Brown You lot crack me up,the child asks for basic planetary facts and NASA can't give it to them - http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/...rth_facts.html Is there an intelligent adult who can work out that the fundamental unit of timekeeping is the number of rotations,to the nearest rotation,corresponding to 4 orbital circuits of the Earth.The Egyptians worked out it takes an extra day after 4 year for the star Sirius to reappear from behind the glare of the Sun due specifically to the orbital motion of the Earth - " on account of the precession of the rising of Sirius by one day in the course of 4 years.. therefore it shall be, that the year of 360 days and the 5 days added to their end, so one day shall be from this day after every 4 years added to the 5 epagomenae before the New Year, whereby all men shall learn, that what was a little defective in the order as regards the seasons and the year, as also the opinions which are contained in the rules of the learned on the heavenly orbits, are now corrected and improved.." Canopus Decree There are 1461 AM/PM cycles inclusive of 4 orbital circuits and the averaging process which creates the 24 hour day also asserts that rotation is constant without any external reference save the number of times it occurs in 4 years.The whole process which uses the calendar format of 365/366 days to create the 24 hour AM/PM cycle in tandem with the Lat/Long system and maintains a correspondence of 15 degrees/ 1037.5 miles per hour at the equator prohibits the Ra/Dec extensions which NASA tries to present as planetary facts. An 8 year old may not be able to process the necessary geometric judgments needed to make sense of the transfer of days/years into rotations/orbital circuits but teenagers should with the aid of graphics and modern imaging,of course,this supposes that adults can get their act together with time,space and motion as it actually exist rather than following the poor conclusion created by John Flamsteed. The error should be treated with the utmost urgency and transparency and especially as the key to the resolution partly resides with John Harrison who defies the silly fact sheet of NASA - "The application of a Timekeeper to this discovery is founded upon the following principles: the earth's surface is divided into 360 equal parts (by imaginary lines drawn from North to South) which are called Degrees of Longitude; and its daily revolution Eastward round its own axis is performed in 24 hours; consequently in that period, each of those imaginary lines or degrees, becomes successively opposite to the Sun (which makes the noon or precise middle of the day at each of those degrees and it must follow, that from the time any one of those lines passes the Sun, till the next passes, must be just four minutes, for 24 hours being divided by 360 will give that quantity; so that for every degree of Longitude we sail Westward, it will be noon with us four minutes the later, and for every degree Eastward four minutes the sooner, and so on in proportion for any greater or less quantity. Now, the exact time of the day at the place where we are, can be ascertained by well known and easy observations of the Sun if visible for a few minutes at any time from his being ten degrees high until within an hour of noon, or from an hour after noon until he is only 10 degrees high in the afternoon; if therefore, at any time when such observation is made, a Timekeeper tells us at the same moment what o'clock it is at the place we sailed from, our Longitude is clearly discovered." John Harrison The English get to decide,albeit the window of opportunity is closing,whether they wish to continue on with the worst possible conclusion ever drawn or have an external source fix it for them,after all,NASA itself is veering rapidly away from the error and adopting the correct planetary facts - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDWHM00sZJc |
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On 23/10/2012 19:50, oriel36 wrote:
On Oct 23, 8:42 am, Martin Brown wrote: On 23/10/2012 12:48, Lunar wrote: Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum and want to learn more about our solar system and beyond. I'm eight years old and feel too advanced for what my school are teaching me (poems about the order of the planets in our solar system!) I want to learn more. Ask away and we will try to answer at the right level. There is also http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/...StarChild.html And probably more. ISTR there are some space fact trivia trading cards. The childrens books on science and astronomy review with wildly different 5* and 1* ratings for the same book so I'd try and borrow them from a public or school library until you find one you like! I know the basics but I'm struggling to understand the more advanced books and documentaries. Is there anyone who can help me understand beyond the basics? Decide which areas interest you and we can try and point you towards a book or online resource at about the right level. Worth a look in your local library to see if they have anything. -- Regards, Martin Brown You lot crack me up,the child asks for basic planetary facts and NASA can't give it to them - http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/...rth_facts.html Is there an intelligent adult who can work out that the fundamental unit of timekeeping is the number of rotations,to the nearest rotation,corresponding to 4 orbital circuits of the Earth.The Egyptians worked out it takes an extra day after 4 year for the star Sirius to reappear from behind the glare of the Sun due specifically to the orbital motion of the Earth - " on account of the precession of the rising of Sirius by one day in the course of 4 years.. therefore it shall be, that the year of 360 days and the 5 days added to their end, so one day shall be from this day after every 4 years added to the 5 epagomenae before the New Year, whereby all men shall learn, that what was a little defective in the order as regards the seasons and the year, as also the opinions which are contained in the rules of the learned on the heavenly orbits, are now corrected and improved.." Canopus Decree There are 1461 AM/PM cycles inclusive of 4 orbital circuits and the averaging process which creates the 24 hour day also asserts that rotation is constant without any external reference save the number of times it occurs in 4 years.The whole process which uses the calendar format of 365/366 days to create the 24 hour AM/PM cycle in tandem with the Lat/Long system and maintains a correspondence of 15 degrees/ 1037.5 miles per hour at the equator prohibits the Ra/Dec extensions which NASA tries to present as planetary facts. An 8 year old may not be able to process the necessary geometric judgments needed to make sense of the transfer of days/years into rotations/orbital circuits but teenagers should with the aid of graphics and modern imaging,of course,this supposes that adults can get their act together with time,space and motion as it actually exist rather than following the poor conclusion created by John Flamsteed. The error should be treated with the utmost urgency and transparency and especially as the key to the resolution partly resides with John Harrison who defies the silly fact sheet of NASA - "The application of a Timekeeper to this discovery is founded upon the following principles: the earth's surface is divided into 360 equal parts (by imaginary lines drawn from North to South) which are called Degrees of Longitude; and its daily revolution Eastward round its own axis is performed in 24 hours; consequently in that period, each of those imaginary lines or degrees, becomes successively opposite to the Sun (which makes the noon or precise middle of the day at each of those degrees and it must follow, that from the time any one of those lines passes the Sun, till the next passes, must be just four minutes, for 24 hours being divided by 360 will give that quantity; so that for every degree of Longitude we sail Westward, it will be noon with us four minutes the later, and for every degree Eastward four minutes the sooner, and so on in proportion for any greater or less quantity. Now, the exact time of the day at the place where we are, can be ascertained by well known and easy observations of the Sun if visible for a few minutes at any time from his being ten degrees high until within an hour of noon, or from an hour after noon until he is only 10 degrees high in the afternoon; if therefore, at any time when such observation is made, a Timekeeper tells us at the same moment what o'clock it is at the place we sailed from, our Longitude is clearly discovered." John Harrison The English get to decide,albeit the window of opportunity is closing,whether they wish to continue on with the worst possible conclusion ever drawn or have an external source fix it for them,after all,NASA itself is veering rapidly away from the error and adopting the correct planetary facts - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDWHM00sZJc The OP would do well to note that there are some right nutters and kooks on the internet who post meaningless word salad text - a sample of which is now conveniently between my original reply and this post. If you can't make sense of Oriel36 ramblings then don't worry - nobody else can either. You are not alone. You as an eight year old probably already have a better understanding of modern physics than he does. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On Oct 23, 12:26*pm, Martin Brown
wrote: On 23/10/2012 19:50, oriel36 wrote: On Oct 23, 8:42 am, Martin Brown wrote: On 23/10/2012 12:48, Lunar wrote: Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum and want to learn more about our solar system and beyond. I'm eight years old and feel too advanced for what my school are teaching me (poems about the order of the planets in our solar system!) I want to learn more. Ask away and we will try to answer at the right level. There is also http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/...StarChild.html And probably more. ISTR there are some space fact trivia trading cards.. The childrens books on science and astronomy review with wildly different 5* and 1* ratings for the same book so I'd try and borrow them from a public or school library until you find one you like! I know the basics but I'm struggling to understand the more advanced books and documentaries. Is there anyone who can help me understand beyond the basics? Decide which areas interest you and we can try and point you towards a book or online resource at about the right level. Worth a look in your local library to see if they have anything. -- Regards, Martin Brown You lot crack me up,the child asks for basic planetary facts and NASA can't give it to them - http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/...tem_level1/ear... Is there an intelligent adult who can work out that the fundamental unit of timekeeping is the number of rotations,to the nearest rotation,corresponding to 4 orbital circuits of the Earth.The Egyptians worked out it takes an extra day after 4 year for the star Sirius to reappear from behind the glare of the Sun due specifically to the orbital motion of the Earth - " on account of the precession of the rising of Sirius by one day in the course of 4 years.. therefore it shall be, that the year of 360 days and the 5 days added to their end, so one day shall be from this day after every 4 years added to the 5 epagomenae before the New Year, whereby all men shall learn, that what was a little defective in the order as regards the seasons and the year, as also the opinions which are contained in the rules of the learned on the heavenly orbits, are now corrected and improved.." Canopus Decree There are 1461 AM/PM cycles inclusive of 4 orbital circuits and the averaging process which creates the 24 hour day also asserts that rotation is constant without any external reference save the number of times it occurs in 4 years.The whole process which uses the calendar format of 365/366 days to create the 24 hour AM/PM cycle in tandem with the Lat/Long system and maintains a correspondence of 15 degrees/ 1037.5 miles per hour at the equator prohibits the Ra/Dec extensions which NASA tries to present as planetary facts. An 8 year old may not *be able to process the necessary geometric judgments needed to make sense of the transfer of days/years into rotations/orbital circuits but teenagers should with the aid of graphics and modern imaging,of course,this supposes that adults can get their act together with time,space and motion as it actually exist rather than following the poor conclusion created by John Flamsteed. The error should be treated with the utmost urgency and transparency and especially as the key to the resolution partly resides with John Harrison who defies the silly fact sheet of NASA - "The application of a Timekeeper to this discovery is founded upon the following principles: the earth's surface is divided into 360 equal parts (by imaginary lines drawn from North to South) which are called Degrees of Longitude; and its daily revolution Eastward round its own axis is performed in 24 hours; consequently in that period, each of those imaginary lines or degrees, becomes successively opposite to the Sun (which makes the noon or precise middle of the day at each of those degrees and it must follow, that from the time any one of those lines passes the Sun, till the next passes, must be just four minutes, for 24 hours being divided by 360 will give that quantity; so that for every degree of Longitude we sail Westward, it will be noon with us four minutes the later, and for every degree Eastward four minutes the sooner, and so on in proportion for any greater or less quantity. Now, the exact time of the day at the place where we are, can be ascertained by well known and easy observations of the Sun if visible for a few minutes at any time from his being ten degrees high until within an hour of noon, or from an hour after noon until he is only 10 degrees high in the afternoon; if therefore, at any time when such observation is made, a Timekeeper tells us at the same moment what o'clock it is at the place we sailed from, our Longitude is clearly discovered." John Harrison The English get to decide,albeit the window of opportunity is closing,whether they wish to continue on with the worst possible conclusion ever drawn or have an external source fix it for them,after all,NASA itself is veering rapidly away from the error and adopting the correct planetary facts - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDWHM00sZJc The OP would do well to note that there are some right nutters and kooks on the internet who post meaningless word salad text - a sample of which is now conveniently between my original reply and this post. Why would you send an 8 year old to a website which does not give the accurate basic facts for the Earth ?.Even I allow that NASA has changed it position and is now moving towards a stable astronomical narrative but has not handled the error in a transparent way however the English response to an English problem is quite different in a dismaying sort of way. Even when principles and insights expounded by the great John Harrison are ignored and that takes some doing as it is the equivalent of the Americans ignoring the achievement of Armstrong and the moon landing If the English are presently occupied by a scandal centering on the misuse of trust of children by a celebrity then they have no idea what is looming in the background when empiricists/physicists are brought to task in simple astronomical matters.There are no hastily assembled committees asking how in God's name did an entire community lose basic planetary facts and lose them they did. If you can't make sense of Oriel36 ramblings then don't worry - nobody else can either. You are not alone. You as an eight year old probably already have a better understanding of modern physics than he does. Leave him alone,he is a child. I hold nobody accountable over the last 3 centuries for making a mistake and taking a step too far with the Ra/Dec system,after all,it is a great calendar based convenience for predicting eclipses and the relationship of celestial bodies to each other but it cannot supplant the 24 hour AM/PM system in tandem with the Lat/Long system as a means to extract the daily and annual motions of the Earth. On the other hand,I do hold people here accountable for the mistake and whether the English choose to fix this mistake or not,it is already being dealt with,even in a poor sort of way.Bluster all you will Brown,I still hold people like John Harrison and William Blake as true Englishmen who display the individuality, the creative/ productive nature and the sense of fair play rather than the empirical thugs who now occupy English science. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On 23/10/2012 12:48, Lunar wrote:
Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum and want to learn more about our solar system and beyond. I'm eight years old and feel too advanced for what my school are teaching me (poems about the order of the planets in our solar system!) I want to learn more. I know the basics but I'm struggling to understand the more advanced books and documentaries. Is there anyone who can help me understand beyond the basics? One afterthought. You should write or email to the UK magazine "Astronomy Now" suggesting that they have a junior page or column that explains the basics. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On Oct 24, 12:59*am, Martin Brown
wrote: On 23/10/2012 12:48, Lunar wrote: Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum and want to learn more about our solar system and beyond. I'm eight years old and feel too advanced for what my school are teaching me (poems about the order of the planets in our solar system!) I want to learn more. I know the basics but I'm struggling to understand the more advanced books and documentaries. Is there anyone who can help me understand beyond the basics? One afterthought. You should write or email to the UK magazine "Astronomy Now" suggesting that they have a juniotic r page or column that explains the basics. -- Regards, Martin Brown How a bunch of empirical thugs managed to subvert astronomy is quite a story and a very complicated one but ultimately it filters down to the education system where it surfaces as ridiculous ideas fit for no man nor student - "Each solar day the Earth rotates 360º with respect to the Sun. Similarly the Earth rotates 360º with respect to the background stars in a sidereal day. During each solar day, the motion of the Earth around the Sun means the Earth rotates 361º with respect to the background stars." http://certificate.ulo.ucl.ac.uk/mod...bDoc.5458.html Don't talk to me about abuse of children by celebrities and the response to it,the systematic abuse of position by teachers is far more damaging and it is not possible to plead ignorance, a society which cannot keep 24 hour days in step with one rotation of the Earth has failed as the priority of interpretative faculties which drive a healthy society are replaced by the speculative nonsense of modelers. This is not 'Piltdown man' where empirical thugs can conceal a hoax for 40 years until people retire or die before they attempt to set things right,this is the 21st century and as the Italian judgment demonstrates,the era of wild 'predictive' agendas without responsibility or accountability is over.Again,the English must face the mess created within their borders or have it done for them externally. |
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In uk.sci.astronomy message , Tue, 23 Oct
2012 16:42:09, Martin Brown posted: On 23/10/2012 12:48, Lunar wrote: Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum and want to learn more about our solar system and beyond. I'm eight years old and feel too advanced for what my school are teaching me (poems about the order of the planets in our solar system!) I want to learn more. Ask away and we will try to answer at the right level. There is also http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/...StarChild.html H'mmm - all it has relevant to the Lagrange Points (popular nowadays) is a GIF of Lagrange. The deficiency has been pointed out. Contrary to common opinion, Lagrange did not discover the Lagrange Points - although the final step to the Points from what he did is trivial, he did not take it in the /Essai/, and, AFAICS, nowhere else either. Euler discovered L1 & L2, quietly. Details on my site. -- (c) John Stockton, nr London, UK. Mail via homepage. Turnpike v6.05 MIME. Web http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/ - FAQqish topics, acronyms and links; Astro stuff via astron-1.htm, gravity0.htm ; quotings.htm, pascal.htm, etc. No Encoding. Quotes before replies. Snip well. Write clearly. Don't Mail News. |
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On 24/10/2012 21:14, Dr J R Stockton wrote:
In uk.sci.astronomy message , Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:42:09, Martin Brown posted: On 23/10/2012 12:48, Lunar wrote: Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum and want to learn more about our solar system and beyond. I'm eight years old and feel too advanced for what my school are teaching me (poems about the order of the planets in our solar system!) I want to learn more. Ask away and we will try to answer at the right level. There is also http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/...StarChild.html H'mmm - all it has relevant to the Lagrange Points (popular nowadays) is a GIF of Lagrange. The deficiency has been pointed out. Contrary to common opinion, Lagrange did not discover the Lagrange Points - although the final step to the Points from what he did is trivial, he did not take it in the /Essai/, and, AFAICS, nowhere else either. Euler discovered L1 & L2, quietly. Details on my site. Be fair John! The intricacies of the Lagrange points are not within easy grasp of an average eight year old. A picture of the guy is more than enough - he was a great mathematician. Most physics undergraduates today would struggle to derive the orbital Lagrangian points from first principles. Another interesting site for the OP is Stellarium which provides a realtime simulated view of the sky on a PC which shows where to look for planets and comets. Jupiter is easy in the evening sky now. http://sourceforge.net/projects/stellarium/ Or simpler and online by month/Zodiac sign http://www.skyguide.org.uk/months/skywheel.htm Or by constellation http://www.skyguide.org.uk/constella...cassiopeia.htm I remember being interested in astronomy too at about that age and the main thing that frustrated me was that the star maps in books did not include the planets! Obvious why when you know that they move about! "Planet" literally means "wandering star". BTW It would be nice to know if these replies are reaching spacebanter.com and if the OP is still there. I hope he hasn't been frightened off by Oriel36 blather. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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