Can Orion Fly on other Boosters?

"Jonathan" wrote in message
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Gencorp makes the engines for Orion, and their stock just
tanked some 40% on heavy shorting.

Has Orion been canceled in the budget?
I'm thinking about buying a bunch of their stock
looking for a short term bounce/short squeeze.

Have you been living under a rock? This news has even made it to the
popular media. Essentially the entire Constellation program is cancelled
from the Administration's proposed NASA budget. This includes Ares I, Ares
V, Orion, Altair, and etc.

Jeff
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"Take heart amid the deepening gloom
that your dog is finally getting enough cheese" - Deteriorata - National
Lampoon

He wants financial advice, and from the fact that it was the finance folk
who caused the whole bubble to burst by believing their own pr, its hardly
surprising if they have no idea what is going on.

However, seems to me, that there has been significant investment in
development of the tin can end, and if one could find the right tin can
flinger, then it might actually be worth doing. However, the real worry
about all this is that in a few years when another administration comes
along with different principals and agenda, it could all turn on its head
again. One needs to ask this question, I think.

When such programs are given the go ahead, first, realistic protected
funding to allow completion should be agreed for the full development
cycle, uncancellable by the next administration. Effectively, this means the
various parties working to tether at the start.. A toufh thing, I know, but
more good money is thrown down bottomless pits by stop go programs with
unrealistic funding as it is, so some common sense needs to come into this.
With no bad guy out there to beat, then it comes down to doing it because
we can. Forget the brownie points culture.

At least if such a program was started, there would not have been the half
baked make do and mend bodges of launchers this program had to adopt to
actually get anywhere near a working system under the criteria of Bush
bluster economics.


Other than that, it should be a truly international effort to get to
somewhere really useful on a scale hitherto unseen I think.


It is though, obvious that for some time humans need to develop reliable,
repairable hardware for their life support in remote places, and I guess
this is best done close to home.


Brian

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"Jeff Findley" wrote in message
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"Jonathan" wrote in message
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Gencorp makes the engines for Orion, and their stock just
tanked some 40% on heavy shorting.

Has Orion been canceled in the budget?
I'm thinking about buying a bunch of their stock
looking for a short term bounce/short squeeze.

Have you been living under a rock? This news has even made it to the
popular media. Essentially the entire Constellation program is cancelled
from the Administration's proposed NASA budget. This includes Ares I,
Ares V, Orion, Altair, and etc.

Jeff
--
"Take heart amid the deepening gloom
that your dog is finally getting enough cheese" - Deteriorata - National
Lampoon

I suspect we are in the middle of the W of this economic
depression.

When a rainy day fund is proposed in the State house
the idea is watered down and/or raided. So how likely
is steady funding for a space project likely
to be mandated? The old women males (mainly) in both
houses of congress need to be able to milk this "cow" every year
and to mention their famous yearly pork hunt.

Yes, a big projects need a better avenue of funding.
Allow NASA to directly tax airlines or imports?

It's past midnight literally and figuratively.............Trig

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:16:08 -0500, "Jeff Findley"
wrote:


Have you been living under a rock? This news has even made it to the
popular media. Essentially the entire Constellation program is cancelled
from the Administration's proposed NASA budget. This includes Ares I, Ares
V, Orion, Altair, and etc.

Altair was already dead.

Brian

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:00:59 -0800, Pat Flannery
wrote:


Have you been living under a rock? This news has even made it to the
popular media. Essentially the entire Constellation program is cancelled
from the Administration's proposed NASA budget. This includes Ares I, Ares
V, Orion, Altair, and etc.

Altair was already dead.

Did they nail Altair earlier than Ares-1/Orion?

Yep. It was zero-funded in FY09. Ares I eating everybody else's
lunch... again.

Brian

Brian Thorn wrote:

Have you been living under a rock? This news has even made it to the
popular media. Essentially the entire Constellation program is cancelled
from the Administration's proposed NASA budget. This includes Ares I, Ares
V, Orion, Altair, and etc.

Altair was already dead.

Did they nail Altair earlier than Ares-1/Orion?
Last I had heard, they were still going to the Moon, but just on
weeks-long expeditions rather than to set up a permanent base.

Pat

On Feb 13, 1:53�pm, Brian Thorn wrote:
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:00:59 -0800, Pat Flannery
wrote:

Have you been living under a rock? �This news has even made it to the
popular media. �Essentially the entire Constellation program is cancelled
from the Administration's proposed NASA budget. �This includes Ares I, Ares
V, Orion, Altair, and etc.

Altair was already dead.

Did they nail Altair earlier than Ares-1/Orion?

Yep. It was zero-funded in FY09. Ares I eating everybody else's
lunch... again.

Brian

We really dont need nasa to launch stuff including people......

Just put launch services out for bid, lowest price wins, foreign
countries are fine.

why build ANYTHING in the US? When foreign countries can provide all
we need or want for dead cheap prices

Gencorp makes the engines for Orion, and their stock just
tanked some 40% on heavy shorting.

Has Orion been canceled in the budget?
I'm thinking about buying a bunch of their stock
looking for a short term bounce/short squeeze.


Thanks in advance

Brian Thorn wrote:

Did they nail Altair earlier than Ares-1/Orion?

Yep. It was zero-funded in FY09. Ares I eating everybody else's
lunch... again.

Constellation was screwed, blued, and tattooed from the word "go" wasn't
it?
Way over-ambitious in what they were going to build on their budget, and
when they would have it ready to fly.
I wonder if Jupiter/DIRECT would have faired any better if they had gone
that route right from day one?

Pat

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:34:20 -0800, Pat Flannery
wrote:

I wonder if Jupiter/DIRECT would have faired any better if they had gone
that route right from day one?

I think so, due to much less uncertainty and considerably greater
progress. Orion would be going into production by now since it didn't
have to go back to the drawing board repeatedly due to Ares I's
performance sinking, and the DIRECT equivalent of Ares I-X would
probably have flown 12-15 months ago, and actually would have been
representative of the operational booster.

The moon goal would still be an expensive program, though, and
President Obama/Congress would still be unlikely to want to pay for
it, leaving ISS support only. But I think it would have been a lot
harder for Obama to kill outright the way Ares/Orion was slaughtered.

Brian