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Bye-bye Moon program, hello ISS to 2020
Damien Valentine wrote:
On Jan 27, 4:56 pm, Pat Flannery wrote: Ares-1, Ares-V, Constellation - all dead:http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-a...-budget27-2010... Possibly a heavy lift booster at some future point. But ISS will be manned till 2020 instead of 2015. Have we got any official confirmation for this? For all we know, the "LA Times" just interviewed a couple of janitors and called them "anonymous". The story was reported in several differnt places, so it sounds like a administration leak to lessen the surprise when the program termination comes. Incidentally, since at least half the people on this newsgroup hated the Constellation program in the first place...shouldn't we consider this a good thing? It suits me fine, that's for sure. Pat |
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On Jan 29, 4:02�am, Pat Flannery wrote:
Damien Valentine wrote: On Jan 27, 4:56 pm, Pat Flannery wrote: Ares-1, Ares-V, Constellation - all dead:http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-a...-budget27-2010... Possibly a heavy lift booster at some future point. But ISS will be manned till 2020 instead of 2015. Have we got any official confirmation for this? �For all we know, the "LA Times" just interviewed a couple of janitors and called them "anonymous". The story was reported in several differnt places, so it sounds like a administration leak to lessen the surprise when the program termination comes. Incidentally, since at least half the people on this newsgroup hated the Constellation program in the first place...shouldn't we consider this a good thing? It suits me fine, that's for sure. Pat I too am happy, NASA just spent money with little return on investment other than enriching some military contractors and piles of receipts: ( Its time for private industry to take over |
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On Jan 28, 6:51*pm, Damien Valentine wrote:
On Jan 27, 4:56*pm, Pat Flannery wrote: Ares-1, Ares-V, Constellation - all dead:http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-a...-budget27-2010... Possibly a heavy lift booster at some future point. But ISS will be manned till 2020 instead of 2015. Have we got any official confirmation for this? *For all we know, the "LA Times" just interviewed a couple of janitors and called them "anonymous". Incidentally, since at least half the people on this newsgroup hated the Constellation program in the first place...shouldn't we consider this a good thing? It's on NY Times too, and NY Times said it came from an administration official. And it will be officially released next Monday. I don't think it's junk news since it's pretty standard for new policies to be intentionally released to the news media if only to gauge public and congressional reaction. |
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Bye-bye Moon program, hello ISS to 2020
Pat Flannery wrote:
Damien Valentine wrote: On Jan 27, 4:56 pm, Pat Flannery wrote: Ares-1, Ares-V, Constellation - all dead:http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-a...-budget27-2010... Possibly a heavy lift booster at some future point. But ISS will be manned till 2020 instead of 2015. Have we got any official confirmation for this? For all we know, the "LA Times" just interviewed a couple of janitors and called them "anonymous". The story was reported in several differnt places, so it sounds like a administration leak to lessen the surprise when the program termination comes. Or it could be, as has happened before, they are just repeating what the LA times said in order to escape being seen as having been scooped. Today, when we can compare and contrast stories from multiple sources, we have to carefully avoid the error of assuming "that everyone is saying it, therefore it must be so". D. -- Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/ -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL |
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On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:51:13 -0800 (PST), Damien Valentine
wrote: Incidentally, since at least half the people on this newsgroup hated the Constellation program in the first place The program, or NASA's implementation of it? I don't recall too many here screaming bloody murder about going back to the moon and on to Mars (although some wanted to go straight to Mars.) "1 1/2 Launch" met great skepticism, and the slow death spiral as less cheap, off-the-shelf tech was replaced by expensive all-new, incompatible designs unleashed a cacophony of critisicm. But Constellation as a whole? Not so much. But I do think NASA screwed the pooch once too often with the Ares debacle, and this might have been the last chance it was ever given. Brian |
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On Jan 29, 10:47�pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
Derek Lyons wrote: O Today, when we can compare and contrast stories from multiple sources, we have to carefully avoid the error of assuming "that everyone is saying it, therefore it must be so". You're right, let's see what Fox News has to say: "President betrays humanity's future by cancelling all space research that doesn't further his idiotic global warming hidden agenda - America will be completly communist by around noon next Tuesday." Pat NASA COULD of had atlas and delta heavies carrying capsules by now. But they got greedy wanted a new program and its probably their last chance, they dont deserve another... |
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Bye-bye Moon program, hello ISS to 2020
Derek Lyons wrote:
O Today, when we can compare and contrast stories from multiple sources, we have to carefully avoid the error of assuming "that everyone is saying it, therefore it must be so". You're right, let's see what Fox News has to say: "President betrays humanity's future by cancelling all space research that doesn't further his idiotic global warming hidden agenda - America will be completly communist by around noon next Tuesday." Pat |
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Brian Thorn wrote:
But I do think NASA screwed the pooch once too often with the Ares debacle, and this might have been the last chance it was ever given. Yeah, their whole post-Shuttle manned program initiatives have been one long string of cancellations. It would be fun to tally up how many billions of dollars have been wasted that way over the past years. Up to the moment, Constellation has cost $9.1 billion: http://www.seattlepi.com/national/15...sa_future.html Pat |
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" It would be fun to tally up how many billions of dollars have been wasted that way over the past years. Air Force DSP IR Early warning replacement has to hold the record - First launched in the 60s, replacement started as MSP in 1974, then became DSP II, BSTS, FEWS, AWS, SBIRS and a few I forgot. . The first SBIRS GEO is slated to launch in 2012. |
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Bye-bye Moon program, hello ISS to 2020
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:49:43 -0500, "Jeff Findley"
wrote: ..... Rumblings are that Orion isn't dead and that a shuttle derived launch vehicle (similar to Direct's Jupiter) will still go forward .... News reports so far today don't say anything about either one. I hope you're right, but I wouldn't be surprised if you're wrong. |
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