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Cooray et al - A Possible Solution to IR/X-ray Correlation?
In article , "Richard D. Saam"
writes: I've said many times that if one reads just one paper in cosmology, this should be it. and available at: NASA astrophysics data system http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1966MNRAS.132..379S Underlying these many Friedman Equation solutions is the assumption that universe mass Mu is constant with time such that constant Mu = rho_m*R^3. Having universe mass Mu not constant with time may complicate the solution but does not in itself negate the Friedman Equations or supporting Einstein theory. This is not really an assumption but follows from basic conservation laws. If mass is converted to radiation, then this changes the expansion behaviour, but this is important only in the early universe (at least for models which even broadly agree with current observations). |
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Cooray et al - A Possible Solution to IR/X-ray Correlation?
On 11/6/12 2:32 PM, Phillip Helbig---undress to reply wrote:
In article , "Richard D. Saam" writes: I've said many times that if one reads just one paper in cosmology, this should be it. and available at: NASA astrophysics data system http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1966MNRAS.132..379S Underlying these many Friedman Equation solutions is the assumption that universe mass Mu is constant with time such that constant Mu = rho_m*R^3. Having universe mass Mu not constant with time may complicate the solution but does not in itself negate the Friedman Equations or supporting Einstein theory. This is not really an assumption but follows from basic conservation laws. If mass is converted to radiation, then this changes the expansion behaviour, but this is important only in the early universe (at least for models which even broadly agree with current observations). I thought logic dictated radiation came first repeating from befo let the radiation CMB density component be sigma*Tb^4*4/c^3 = rho_b = 4.67E-34 g/cc (present value at Tb = 2.73K) and mass density component (3/8pi)*H^2/G = rho_c = 9.57E-30 g/cc (present value) rho_b scales as (1+z)^4 and rho_c scales as (1+z)^3 Looking back, the mass dominated universe transitions into radiation dominated universe at: Tb = 37,200 K z= 13,600 age = 8,600 years rho_b = rho_c = 1.62E-17 g/cc From this point back the universe extrapolates to 100 percent radiation. These discussions are in terms of densities and relative abundances. Until universe volumetrics are known, absolute universe masses remain unknown. Richard D. Saam |
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Cooray et al - A Possible Solution to IR/X-ray Correlation?
In article , "Richard D. Saam"
writes: This is not really an assumption but follows from basic conservation laws. If mass is converted to radiation, then this changes the expansion behaviour, but this is important only in the early universe (at least for models which even broadly agree with current observations). I thought logic dictated radiation came first repeating from befo Well, yes; I was thinking of going back in time. the mass dominated universe transitions into radiation dominated universe at: Tb = 37,200 K z= 13,600 age = 8,600 years rho_b = rho_c = 1.62E-17 g/cc From this point back the universe extrapolates to 100 percent radiation. Yes. These discussions are in terms of densities and relative abundances. Until universe volumetrics are known, absolute universe masses remain unknown. Right; we don't even know if the universe is finite or not. |
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Cooray et al - A Possible Solution to IR/X-ray Correlation?
On 11/6/12 2:32 PM, Phillip Helbig---undress to reply wrote:
In article , "Richard D. Saam" writes: I've said many times that if one reads just one paper in cosmology, this should be it. and available at: NASA astrophysics data system http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1966MNRAS.132..379S Underlying these many Friedman Equation solutions is the assumption that universe mass Mu is constant with time such that constant Mu = rho_m*R^3. Having universe mass Mu not constant with time may complicate the solution but does not in itself negate the Friedman Equations or supporting Einstein theory. This is not really an assumption but follows from basic conservation laws. If mass is converted to radiation, then this changes the expansion behaviour, but this is important only in the early universe (at least for models which even broadly agree with current observations). That appears to be the basic premise: that something happened at the early universe that thermodynamically proceeds to the current state. Robertson, H. P., "Relativistic Cosmology," Rev. Mod. Phys., 5, 62-90 (1933) Available at: http://link.springer.com/article/10....714-012-1401-0 Robertson gives all the options flowing from Einstein's theory with a very good timeline of the preceding logic VI. Bibliography Current observations (including dark matter and dark energy) indicate a need for more emphasis related to ongoing synthetic processes the nature of which is problematic. |
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