Science out the window when it comes to political issues like "gun control" and Global Warming!

They do not proof causation, however strong correlations tend to
indicate causation to be likelly.


"Rand Simberg" wrote
No, they don't, and even if they did, they provide no information as
to which is cause, and which is effect, or whether both are effects of
some other, unknown cause.

Excellent, then you hold that repeating an experiment and getting the same
results doesn't verify the results of the experiment. It could just be a
coincidence.

Apparently Simberg is too stupid to understand that if the probability of
any single correlation is x 1 then the probabiility of n events being
repeated and showing the same correlation is x**n. Meaning that the
likelyhood of error becomes exponentially small with the number of
correlations.

Stupid.. Stupid Simberg.

"Fred J. McCall" wrote
Well, one more short lesson. Remember, correlation does NOT imply
causation.

Correlation implies common causation.

"Rand Simberg" wrote
But there could also be (at least in theory) some mechanism by which
higher temperatures generate additional CO2. Let's hope not, though,
since that would be a very nasty positive feedback.

You mean like warmer oceans outgassing CO2 - as is anticipated?

You mean like warmer weather promoting more air conditioning, which means
more carbon consumption and more CO2 - as is anticipated?

You mean like warmer arctic temps causing the permafrost to melt, rot, and
release CO2? - as is occurring.

"Whata Fool" wrote
Now you are really getting stupid, how do you suppose that the
atmospheric concentration of CO2 could get to 5 times current?

Through the continued consumption of carbon based fuels at rates that are
twice the rate of sequestration, and through the positive feedback of ocean
CO2 outgassing as the deep oceans warm.


"Whata Fool" wrote
The oil will run out almost totally as a fuel within a hundred
years, and making plastics is different than burning oil.

There will be plenty of coal left for another thousand years of CO2
production.


"Whata Fool" wrote
There are only about 3 possible technologies that can prevent
large scale freezing, inertial containment fusion, solar energy, and
geothermal.

And fission, magnetic confignment fusion, and of course adding additional
insulating gasses like methane to the atmosphere.


"Whata Fool" wrote
The time wasted on magnetic confinement fusion was the result
of a poor assumption about fusion "releasing" energy, in stars it is
gravity that "squeezes" the energy out.

Ah the wording of a child.

Inertial confignment fusion is dead in the water- and now exists mostly as
a means of nuclear weapons validation and research.


"Whata Fool" wrote
The time and money being wasted on the global warming
nonsense is disgraceful, it seems that telling a big lie causes half the
people to believe it, but telling a bigger lie causes almost everybody
to believe it, for a little while.

Yawn. We heard the same tripe coming from know nothing denialists who
were whining about the Montreal Protocol for the reduction of CFC's..

**** off and Die. Ignorant Fool.


"Whata Fool" wrote
Possibly the only thing that can stop the nonsense is what
temperature data does over the next 10 years or so.

It's guaranteed to do so.


"Whata Fool" wrote
Pray to your God that it doesn't go up.

It will, and you will look even more the fool than you do today.

"Whata Fool" wrote
Hopefully the ocean is self cooling.

Ya, lets hope it has invested in a central air conditioning system on the
moon.

Stupid. KKKonservative Foool.

"Whata Fool" wrote
I definitely am not a socialist.

Whata Fool.


"Whata Fool" wrote
The good thing about free enterprise is that the inefficient
businesses fail, and new ones take their place.

The bad thing about free enterprise is that it is 80 to 95% inefficient.

"Bill Ward" wrote
That's assuming CO2 has a significant heating effect. Negative
feedback from the water cycle may swamp it out.

Hasen't happened so far. Why would anyone risk the future on the fantasy
that future warming might be limited by such a fortunate turn of events?

Maybe shooting yourself in the head will make you smarter.

Be my guest.

"Bill Ward" wrote
An effect cannot occur before its cause. For ice cores, CO2 causing
temperature to change is ruled out by CO2 lagging after temperature.
temperature..

Wrong. While cause and effect have a set order (outside of the
microscopic quantum world), CO2 effects can still be delayed and still alter
current temperatures.

Rising CO2 isn't a light switch, a big truck you can dump something on, or
a series of tubes. Higher ocean temperatures today mean more CO2
outgassing today and higher temperatures tomorrow. Now the rates of change
may be different between the rate of heating and the rate of CO2 production,
and that is what produces the delay. But the CO2 that is currently
outgassing will immediately change the temperature.

The delay tells you that the CO2 wasn't in the drivers seat at that time -
it was acting as an amplifier with a phase delay due to ocean heating.

Now if this was a periodic oscillation the CO2 could be in the drivers
seat and still be delayed - just look how damped driven harmonic oscillators
work. In such systems you can even have the driver pushing the system in
one direction and the system seeming to respond in the opposite direction -
due to the cumulative stresses induced on the system earlier.

Now go read a book....

"columbiaaccidentinvestigation"
wrote
I believe people have a little more to vote for than adhering to a
party block vote, such as regional or local issues that cross party
lines, but if one has 70% of the national electorate that is willing
to listen to new ideas, and then I think there is a pretty good chance
of changes being made.

Once 30% of the body is cancerous, the patient dies.

So it is with AmeriKKKa.


"columbiaaccidentinvestigation"
wrote
And like I said before nobody said we don't
have a lot of work to do, financial, social, etc. but times are
relative, and this nation will survive these turbulent times just as
it has in the past.

No oil + No Money + No International Support + No Time + No Brains + 30%
tissue Necrosis = No Future.

Do you hear the dirt hitting the roof of AmeriKKKa's coffin?

Everyone else in the world does.



"columbiaaccidentinvestigation"
wrote
The guidelines set from the founding fathers in
the U.S. constitution gives our nation a great advantage when dealing
with turbulent times, so I do have confidence that America will
continue to be strong,

Largest debtor nation on earth, imports more food than exports, no
manufacturing sector, even Microsoft can't find adequate workers in the
intellectual sector so Microsoft is moving to the Socialist nations. Same
with IBM, and virtually every other high tech company.

Can't even tame a stone age culture in Afghanistan or Iraq.

Other than the powerful stench of rot coming from the AmeriKKKan state,
how is AmeriKKKa powerful?
Remind us again?


Now no with respect to
pursuing al queda there is no sympathy needed, just a motivation to
pursue a common enemy.

Al Queda isn't my enemy. AmeriKKKa is the enemy of all good people.

As to Al Queda, it is an organization manufactured by AmeriKKKan war
Propaganda.

To the extent that the organization now exists. I wish it well in killing
as many AmeriKKKans as it sees fit.


And yes I care, I care about the dead or
injured civilians who were caught in the cross fire, and I care about
the 18 year kid who I have never seen, from some part of this country
I never been to, but that same kid joined the U.S. military for
whatever reason I don't know, but he is dead now, never to live the
years I have, and that just sucks...

Oh well, the AmeriKKKan ****er chose to murder and die on a whim. It's
excellent that murderous criminals like him be executed ASAP, and the more
the better.


So go on, rant you petty little
down with America crap, as it is a lot easier to sit there complain
and antagonize others, rather than look for positive solutions, build
a consensus based on compromise, and make positive changes happen for
our nation.

AmeriKKKa is a disease that is being exterminated.

And the sooner the better for everyone. Including AmeriKKKans

"Whata Fool" wrote
Yes, and that one to the left is moving further left. :-)

Excellent, it has only a few thousand miles to go before it becomes as
enlightened as the rest of the world.