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Old September 30th 17, 10:45 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Elon Musk says his new rocket will fly you anywhere in the world in under an hour for the cost of economy airline ticket

http://business.financialpost.com/te...musks-new-plan

A rocket plane like that , commercial flights, flying passengers must be bulletproof, absolutely safe!
Did he think of that?
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Old October 1st 17, 08:52 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Saturday, 30 September 2017 05:45:18 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
Elon Musk says his new rocket will fly you anywhere in the world in under an hour for the cost of economy airline ticket

http://business.financialpost.com/te...musks-new-plan

A rocket plane like that , commercial flights, flying passengers must be bulletproof, absolutely safe!
Did he think of that?


That scumbag is an idol to the progressive idiots out there. He got $5 billion in government subsidies for Tesla and Space-X. They still don't make a profit, despite MORE tax-payer paid incentives of up to $14,000 PER CAR (nice for rich people to help them buy a $100,000 Tesla).
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Old October 1st 17, 09:35 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 12:52:44 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
On Saturday, 30 September 2017 05:45:18 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
Elon Musk says his new rocket will fly you anywhere in the world in under an hour for the cost of economy airline ticket

http://business.financialpost.com/te...musks-new-plan

A rocket plane like that , commercial flights, flying passengers must be bulletproof, absolutely safe!
Did he think of that?


That scumbag is an idol to the progressive idiots out there. He got $5 billion in government subsidies for Tesla and Space-X. They still don't make a profit, despite MORE tax-payer paid incentives of up to $14,000 PER CAR (nice for rich people to help them buy a $100,000 Tesla).


His cheapest Tesla car cost $35,000. It can do 235 miles on a charge, not bad.
Still not cheap, cost of 3 Ford Fiestas.
I figured , this is some gov. conspiracy to convert old economy into gadget economy!
Gov. found a useful idiot to throw his ideas and G's money around.
Some thing like the dot.com economy of the 90's. LOL!


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Old October 2nd 17, 09:22 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 4:35:48 PM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 12:52:44 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
On Saturday, 30 September 2017 05:45:18 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
Elon Musk says his new rocket will fly you anywhere in the world in under an hour for the cost of economy airline ticket

http://business.financialpost.com/te...musks-new-plan

A rocket plane like that , commercial flights, flying passengers must be bulletproof, absolutely safe!
Did he think of that?


That scumbag is an idol to the progressive idiots out there. He got $5 billion in government subsidies for Tesla and Space-X. They still don't make a profit, despite MORE tax-payer paid incentives of up to $14,000 PER CAR (nice for rich people to help them buy a $100,000 Tesla).


His cheapest Tesla car cost $35,000. It can do 235 miles on a charge, not bad.
Still not cheap, cost of 3 Ford Fiestas.
I figured , this is some gov. conspiracy to convert old economy into gadget economy!
Gov. found a useful idiot to throw his ideas and G's money around.
Some thing like the dot.com economy of the 90's. LOL!


The mileage of those cars was already shown by European tests to be considerably less than claimed. Real-world conditions and all.
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Old October 2nd 17, 11:54 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 1:22:22 AM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 4:35:48 PM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 12:52:44 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
On Saturday, 30 September 2017 05:45:18 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
Elon Musk says his new rocket will fly you anywhere in the world in under an hour for the cost of economy airline ticket

http://business.financialpost.com/te...musks-new-plan

A rocket plane like that , commercial flights, flying passengers must be bulletproof, absolutely safe!
Did he think of that?

That scumbag is an idol to the progressive idiots out there. He got $5 billion in government subsidies for Tesla and Space-X. They still don't make a profit, despite MORE tax-payer paid incentives of up to $14,000 PER CAR (nice for rich people to help them buy a $100,000 Tesla).


His cheapest Tesla car cost $35,000. It can do 235 miles on a charge, not bad.
Still not cheap, cost of 3 Ford Fiestas.
I figured , this is some gov. conspiracy to convert old economy into gadget economy!
Gov. found a useful idiot to throw his ideas and G's money around.
Some thing like the dot.com economy of the 90's. LOL!


The mileage of those cars was already shown by European tests to be considerably less than claimed. Real-world conditions and all.


All cars are like that! On gasoline cars the EPA estimate all ways higher, because it was tested under ideal conditions. After the car is driven 5-10K miles, gas/millage settles at some what lower.
I think, for electric cars as time goes by performance of the batteries goes down too.
With electric cars, if it breaks down, I don't think there's a mechanic at every corner, who can fix it.
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Old October 2nd 17, 02:26 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 03:54:55 -0700 (PDT), StarDust
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With electric cars, if it breaks down, I don't think there's a mechanic at every corner, who can fix it.


Electric cars are mechanically simpler and therefore easier to repair
(although like all electronics, these days that essentially means
board swaps). When there are enough electric cars, there will be more
mechanics who can deal with them than mechanics who know what to do
with a gasoline vehicle. In 20 years most of the cars on the road will
be electric.
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Old October 2nd 17, 05:00 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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StarDust wrote in
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All cars are like that! On gasoline cars the EPA estimate all
ways higher, because it was tested under ideal conditions.


That is apparently, not universally the case any more. I can't speak
for any other models, but my Corolla, bought new in January, had
highway mileage on the sticker of 36 mpg, but on the open road, I get
38-40, depending on how hilly it is. I've seen it as high as 42. It's
not much over 6k miles so far, but it hasn't gone down at all that
I've seen.

After
the car is driven 5-10K miles, gas/millage settles at some what
lower. I think, for electric cars as time goes by performance of
the batteries goes down too. With electric cars, if it breaks
down, I don't think there's a mechanic at every corner, who can
fix it.


Right now, cars are being sold with pretty comprehensive warranties,
which means you'd be a fool to take it anywhere but the dealership
for servicing. But I suspect that independant mechanics will surprise
you. The basic skills are the same as any other car. The only
differences are in the details, and there are *way* too many models
for *any* mechcanic to memorize the details for all of them. That's
why they have manuals with detailed instructions. The real key is
whether or not they have the diagnostic software for a particular
model.

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Old October 13th 17, 11:03 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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When will electrics pay a road tax for maintenance and construction, or will all roads be toll roads?
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Old October 13th 17, 02:47 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 03:03:46 -0700 (PDT), "
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When will electrics pay a road tax for maintenance and construction, or will all roads be toll roads?


Different places have different ways of collecting taxes for roads. In
many jurisdictions, electric cars already pay through registration
fees. Where gas taxes are used, no doubt other methods will be
developed.
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Old October 13th 17, 05:42 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Friday, 13 October 2017 15:47:14 UTC+2, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 03:03:46 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

When will electrics pay a road tax for maintenance and construction, or will all roads be toll roads?


Different places have different ways of collecting taxes for roads. In
many jurisdictions, electric cars already pay through registration
fees. Where gas taxes are used, no doubt other methods will be
developed.


A Danish professor is claiming the CO2 involved in the construction and transport of large car batteries in China is no better than the infernal combustion engine. The main problem is the continuing use of coal fired energy in China for vehicle and battery construction. There may well be a long time lag until the electric car overtakes the gas guzzler.

Charging the car battery using coal-fired, power stations at their eventual destination is hardly CO2 neutral either. A better [CO2] scenario is wind or solar powered recharging. Best of all, would be small scale, local, solar power charging the battery for the car owner from his own roof.

There would be no large and wasteful energy corporation and all the added costs [and extra CO2!] Particularly where they are demanding their quarterly bills be paid from whichever fuel is considered cheapest regardless of CO2 efficiency. Importing fuel for energy production, from right around the world, is hardly 'green' or CO2 neutral. It often has a green or political negative attached as some despot fells his nation's inherited forests. It's all about recognizing the full lifetime, CO2 footprint, rather than wishful thinking.

I'll just have to keep pedalling my bike until I am crushed by the weight of all awards and financial benefits from a grateful society. Why can't I sell my CO2 savings to VW diesel guzzlers? ;-)
 




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