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Lee wrote: "John Doe" wrote in message ... Z 1 Y 0 N 3 X wrote: (IMHO) The ISS is a huge waste of time. Yeah, it's the first of it's kind and it was cool for a while, but if you think about it, what the hell are we going to do with it? Super, we have a lab in zero-g. We would be much better off going to Mars right now. ISS is far more useful to go to mars than CEV. Consider all the technologies and designs that have been developped for the ISS and which can be used for the mars expedition ship (which would be tantamount to an ISS with big engines, and a lander ship attached to it as well as MPLMs for stowage of consumables. (as well as shielding for the whole complex). Snipped for brevity. Ok, it's simple. Any attempt to put men/women on Mars is lunacy and suicidal. Do the research, read the material do your own thinking. The cost alone will run into the tens of billions of dollars--the numbers are mind numbing. The chances of the crew actually reaching Mars are slim; returning to earth is even worse. Hell, outerspace is a dangerous place. Humans to Mars is a wrongheaded drunken pipe-dream a fantasy that can't happen, at least not in this century. Explore the cosmos yes, but with robots and a mature sane plan that is sustainable. Just my two cents. So how much more does the Iraq war cost that going to Mars? See this link for numbers if you need them: http://nationalpriorities.org/index....per&Itemid=182 Spaceflight is chump change in comparison. Eric |
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In article .com,
"Z 1 Y 0 N 3 X" wrote: (IMHO) The ISS is a huge waste of time. Yeah, it's the first of it's kind and it was cool for a while, but if you think about it, what the hell are we going to do with it? Use it as a test bed for space technologies? Use its resupply as a driver of commercial launch services? Super, we have a lab in zero-g. We would be much better off going to Mars right now. What for? It's much too far away for any serious development, and even a flags & footprints mission would be ridiculously expensive (and dangerous). Screw the moon, the only plus about colonizing on the moon is that it is close to us. Right, and that's a HUGE plus. If God had wanted us to colonize space, He would have given us a large moon. Oh wait, He did... Mars has far more minerals Like what, exactly? an atmosphere (for what it's worth) ....which is very little, though I'll admit it does have its uses. and water to some extent. So does the Moon, to some extent. Though it's easier to get to on Mars -- it's just that Mars itself is ridiculously harder to get to. Waiting until 2010 is a waste of time, and billions of dollars spent on the ISS every flight is a waste of money as well. "Waiting" until 2010? It's almost 2007 now. What's waiting? As for ISS, it's got many problems, but it IS there and it has its uses. I dunno, I guess we might need to rely on private enterprises to get us to where we really need to be going. This is the first sensible thing I've read in your whole message. I'm rooting for the Space Elevator. I'll root for it too, but I'm not holding my breath either. Best, - Joe |
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"Eric Chomko" wrote in message
oups.com... Lee wrote: "John Doe" wrote in message ... Z 1 Y 0 N 3 X wrote: (IMHO) The ISS is a huge waste of time. Yeah, it's the first of it's kind and it was cool for a while, but if you think about it, what the hell are we going to do with it? Super, we have a lab in zero-g. We would be much better off going to Mars right now. ISS is far more useful to go to mars than CEV. Consider all the technologies and designs that have been developped for the ISS and which can be used for the mars expedition ship (which would be tantamount to an ISS with big engines, and a lander ship attached to it as well as MPLMs for stowage of consumables. (as well as shielding for the whole complex). Snipped for brevity. Ok, it's simple. Any attempt to put men/women on Mars is lunacy and suicidal. Do the research, read the material do your own thinking. The cost alone will run into the tens of billions of dollars--the numbers are mind numbing. The chances of the crew actually reaching Mars are slim; returning to earth is even worse. Hell, outerspace is a dangerous place. Humans to Mars is a wrongheaded drunken pipe-dream a fantasy that can't happen, at least not in this century. Explore the cosmos yes, but with robots and a mature sane plan that is sustainable. Just my two cents. So how much more does the Iraq war cost that going to Mars? See this link for numbers if you need them: http://nationalpriorities.org/index....per&Itemid=182 Spaceflight is chump change in comparison. Eric Good link, Thanks. |
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You all must have miss-read my message. I essentially said why keep
building it until 2010? We have a dockable space station as it is. Is much more really going to happen to it in 3 years? I didn't say destroy it. I think some of you are still stuck on the fact it currently takes 6 months to get to Mars. By the time we would have made camp on the Moon, we would have technology already to cut that time to a 6 week journey. There are far too many bonuses about Mars than there are the Moon. I've read so many articles about why we should be going to Mars instead of the moon. "The chances of the crew actually reaching Mars are slim; returning to earth is even worse. Hell, outerspace is a dangerous place. Humans to Mars is a wrongheaded drunken pipe-dream a fantasy that can't happen, at least not in this century." Good thing you aren't and won't ever be an astronaut then? And don't get started on being a realist, thats pessimism. And I remember someone earlier posting something about god actually existing. Oh, and that he gave us a Moon. Thats pretty funny. God gave us life and animals and water and fire too, didn't he? Screw evolution and combustion, and those darned scientists proving daily that he doesn't exist, he does... |
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Eric Chomko wrote: So how much more does the Iraq war cost that going to Mars? See this link for numbers if you need them: http://nationalpriorities.org/index....per&Itemid=182 Spaceflight is chump change in comparison. Eric I forgot to quote this guy. Perfect example of expenses and where our current financial priorities are right now. Like some of you said, it will take tens of billions of dollars to get to Mars... whoa, thats like... 3% of what we are currently spending on the WAR!!1!one The polls from americans about being in the oil war speak for themselves. |
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:20:43 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Lee"
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Ok, it's simple. Any attempt to put men/women on Mars is lunacy and suicidal. Do the research, read the material do your own thinking. The cost alone will run into the tens of billions of dollars--the numbers are mind numbing. The chances of the crew actually reaching Mars are slim; returning to earth is even worse. Hell, outerspace is a dangerous place. Humans to Mars is a wrongheaded drunken pipe-dream a fantasy that can't happen, at least not in this century. Explore the cosmos yes, but with robots and a mature sane plan that is sustainable. Just my two cents. A lot more than your thoughts are worth. |
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"Z 1 Y 0 N 3 X" wrote in message
oups.com... Eric Chomko wrote: So how much more does the Iraq war cost that going to Mars? See this link for numbers if you need them: http://nationalpriorities.org/index....per&Itemid=182 Spaceflight is chump change in comparison. Eric I forgot to quote this guy. Perfect example of expenses and where our current financial priorities are right now. Like some of you said, it will take tens of billions of dollars to get to Mars... whoa, thats like... 3% of what we are currently spending on the WAR!!1!one The polls from americans about being in the oil war speak for themselves. Figures as high as 600 billion dollars to put humans on Mars isn't exactly chump change [1]. Yeah, and the war in Iraq isn't cheap either. A few billion dollars here a few billion there and pretty soon it adds up to a bankrupt country. I can see it now in big headlines the "US space industry is sold to China to cover its debt". Yes, it's far fetched, and the US people wouldn't allow it, but you get the point. [1] http://maroon.uchicago.edu/viewpoint..._600_billi.php And by the way, have a nice day. |
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"Lee" wrote:
I can see it now in big headlines the "US space industry is sold to China to cover its debt". Yes, it's far fetched, and the US people wouldn't allow it, but you get the point. Actually, I don't think there's a valid point to be got. The US space industry isn't exactly owned by the government, so selling it wouldn't exactly help cover the government's debt. |
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 22:06:51 -0400, in a place far, far away, Alan
Anderson made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: "Lee" wrote: I can see it now in big headlines the "US space industry is sold to China to cover its debt". Yes, it's far fetched, and the US people wouldn't allow it, but you get the point. Actually, I don't think there's a valid point to be got. The US space industry isn't exactly owned by the government, so selling it wouldn't exactly help cover the government's debt. Shhhhhhh... Don't confuse him with reality... |
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"Alan Anderson" wrote in message
... "Lee" wrote: I can see it now in big headlines the "US space industry is sold to China to cover its debt". Yes, it's far fetched, and the US people wouldn't allow it, but you get the point. Actually, I don't think there's a valid point to be got. The US space industry isn't exactly owned by the government, so selling it wouldn't exactly help cover the government's debt. The point being a country has a limited amount of resources/wealth at its disposal. If a country spends more than it takes in from its citizens in the form of taxes it acquires debt. This debt must be paid. Now a country could borrow money from its citizens or from another country or it could sell resources oil, coal, land or any government item, whatever has value. In anycase, too much debt limits a countries choices. Here is the full text: Figures as high as 600 billion dollars to put humans on Mars isn't exactly chump change [1]. Yeah, and the war in Iraq isn't cheap either. A few billion dollars here a few billion there and pretty soon it adds up to a bankrupt country. I can see it now in big headlines the "US space industry is sold to China to cover its debt". Yes, it's far fetched, and the US people wouldn't allow it, but you get the point. [1] http://maroon.uchicago.edu/viewpoint..._600_billi.php And by the way, have a nice day. |
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