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Time is, intrinsically, a spatial dimension / Jeff-Relf.Me



 
 
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Old May 9th 14, 01:50 AM posted to sci.space.science
Brad Guth[_3_]
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Default Time is, intrinsically, a spatial dimension / Jeff-Relf.Me

Despite our inablity to fully comprehend it...
time is, intrinsically, a spatial dimension.

In four dimensions ( space*time ),
nature is static, immutable, eternal,
changeless and choiceless.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eterna...phy_of_time%29
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/The_Cosmic_Horizon_.HTM


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Really stretching the topic, but permitted for now.

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Old May 13th 14, 10:31 AM posted to sci.space.science
Brad Guth[_3_]
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Default Time is, intrinsically, a spatial dimension / Jeff-Relf.Me

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 5:50:10 PM UTC-7, Brad Guth wrote:
Despite our inablity to fully comprehend it...
time is, intrinsically, a spatial dimension.

In four dimensions ( space*time ),
nature is static, immutable, eternal,
changeless and choiceless.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eterna...phy_of_time%29
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/The_Cosmic_Horizon_.HTM


====================================== MODERATOR'S COMMENT:

Really stretching the topic, but permitted for now.


I thought this was a good enough topic to share, as from Jeff-Relf that's n
ot always easy to appreciate, because he is somewhat if not extremely weird
like Einstein, and isn't always as focused as this topic at least starts o
ut.

Some of his notions are off the charts (like those of William Mook), but th
is one has somewhat better grounding in physics and mainstream science wort
h debating. Jeff-Relf has even been known to change his thinking in order
to fit in with mainstream science, though it isn't always as soon or obviou
s, because for the most part he's mostly dead set in his ways and not easil
y diverted or converted in order to suit what others think.

I personally do not agree with several aspects of this one, but there are a
few common ground issues of nature and science representing a sort of cosm
ic creation matrix.

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Old May 14th 14, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Brad Guth[_3_] View Post
Despite our inablity to fully comprehend it...
time is, intrinsically, a spatial dimension.

In four dimensions ( space*time ),
nature is static, immutable, eternal,
changeless and choiceless.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eterna...phy_of_time%29
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/The_Cosmic_Horizon_.HTM
For example: you see a Chair and then move it 2 meters. No longer in the same place because time moved it.

Time does not exist. Exists are movements.
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Old May 18th 14, 01:30 PM posted to sci.space.science
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Default Time is, intrinsically, a spatial dimension / Jeff-Relf.Me

====================================== MODERATOR'S COMMENT:

Really stretching the topic, but permitted for now.


Agreed. I'm going to dismiss it. Eternalism is irrelevant because it is not
observable. Ergo falls into all the other "speculative fictions" such as t
hose who like to speculate about what existed before the big bang, what exi
sts at the singularity of a black hole, etc.

Time as a spatial dimension fails for me because you cannot freely travel a
cross it in any "direction". In fact an argument can be made that time does
n't really exist, outside of a perceptive measurement. Therefore it has no
physical reality beyond that which we (humans) give it. Any more so than do
es an "inch", or "centimeter".

Heisenberg put the nail in the coffin of determinism with the Uncertainty P
rinciple. Otherwise, if we could somehow "know" the per-determined course o
f the Universe, we ought to be able to harness "free-energy" machines by ma
king use of that knowledge. If the per-determined universe is not observabl
e (i.e. is unknowable), then we are back at square one and speculative fict
ion. QED.


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Thanks. I will continue to keep this topic on a tight leash, but this seems to be relevant.

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Old May 18th 14, 01:31 PM posted to sci.space.science
Brad Guth[_3_]
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Default Time is, intrinsically, a spatial dimension / Jeff-Relf.Me

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 5:50:10 PM UTC-7, Brad Guth wrote:
Despite our inablity to fully comprehend it...

time is, intrinsically, a spatial dimension.



In four dimensions ( space*time ),

nature is static, immutable, eternal,

changeless and choiceless.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eterna...phy_of_time%29

http://Jeff-Relf.Me/The_Cosmic_Horizon_.HTM


At least this topic has gotten some views. So, why not offer Jeff-Relf some feedback?

Jeff is mostly an X-Mormon Atheist, and doesn't like much of anything that isn't scientific and physics founded.



 




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