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AvLeak's all-time top 100 stars of aerospace & aviation list
On 4 Jul 2003 14:58:57 -0700, in a place far, far away,
(ed kyle) made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: How could these listmakers not have placed Korolyov in the top 10, or even top 5? Did the mention Tsien? -- simberg.interglobal.org * 310 372-7963 (CA) 307 739-1296 (Jackson Hole) interglobal space lines * 307 733-1715 (Fax) http://www.interglobal.org "Extraordinary launch vehicles require extraordinary markets..." Swap the first . and @ and throw out the ".trash" to email me. Here's my email address for autospammers: |
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Are any wing-walkers on the list?
The Wright brothers borrowed ideas from others. I don't know their names, but they were influential. |
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In sci.space.policy Scott M. Kozel wrote:
: OM om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org : wrote: : : ...This one'll no doubt raise some eyebrows, especially some of the : ties, such as positions 25, 67 and 71, or why some were ranked rather : lower than their contributions deserved, especially Tsiolkovsky. And : lord knows what Buzz will say about position 9 vs position 11 and/or : 13. : : ...Of course, the most important question most of us will have is why : Henry isn't on the list :-) : : ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ : : 1 Wilbur and Orville Wright : 2 Wernher von Braun : 3 Robert Goddard : 4 Leonardo da Vinci : Leonardo da Vinci lived 1452-1519, centuries before the actual aviation : and aerospace era. Did anyone else on the list predate the actual : practice by a large margin? Sounds like a pretty ethno-centric list. If you're going to include da Vinci so high, then what about early Chinese pioneers in rocketry and kite flying? regards, ---------------------------------------------- |
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"Mike Rhino" writes: Are any wing-walkers on the list? The Wright brothers borrowed ideas from others. I don't know their names, but they were influential. Well, the Wrights studied what was going on with the others at the time who were pursuing powered flight. (The credible ones, anyway, like Lilienthal, Chanute, Pilcher, adn Langley - Octave Chanute was a good friend of theirs, and kept them informed) They realized, though, after studying the work of these folks that none of them really understood what they were up to, either in terms of basic aerodynamics, or the more critical factors of stability and control. The Wrights approached the problem of flying systematically, using models adn wind tunnels to produce the first accurate tables of teh characteristics of airfoils, and their behavior under various conditions. They then decided on a rather different approach than had been taken by others, namely, building a reliably-flying comtrollable aircraft first, then adding power to it. They used this glider experimentation, initially in Ohio, and from 'bout 1900 on, at Kill Devil Hills in North Carolina, to teach themselves how to fly. Everybody else was of the mind that they'd build a full-up aircraft, and just jump into it and fly it. That method doesn't work so very well - just ask the ghost of Charles Manley, Samuel Langley's engineer and test pilot, and the pioneer in water ditching (Having crashed twice before the Wrights flew in 1903). The Wrights, as a result of this incremental development and test program went to North Carolina on their 1903 expedition armed with a better knowledge of the fundamentals of aerodynamics, a proven flyable airframe (The 1903 Flyer was a slight incremental development of their phenomenal 1902 glider) and more piloting time than anyone else in the world. While they certainly examined the ideas of others, they examined them on their merits, and found most of the previous work lacking. -- Pete Stickney A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures. -- Daniel Webster |
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OM wrote: ...This one'll no doubt raise some eyebrows, especially some of the ties, such as positions 25, 67 and 71, or why some were ranked rather lower than their contributions deserved, especially Tsiolkovsky. And lord knows what Buzz will say about position 9 vs position 11 and/or 13. ...Of course, the most important question most of us will have is why Henry isn't on the list :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 20 Jules Verne 32 James Van Allen 46 Will Rogers 67 tie Carl Sagan 71 Gene Roddenberry 84 H.G. Wells 97 William "Bull" Halsey Why are these guy on the list? 2 authors from the 1800's ( yea I know Wells was also in the 1900's) 2 scientists. 1 humorist 1 TV producer 1 Admiral. What did any of them have to do with aviation? |
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OM om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote in message . ..
...This one'll no doubt raise some eyebrows, especially some of the ties, such as positions 25, 67 and 71, or why some were ranked rather lower than their contributions deserved, especially Tsiolkovsky. And lord knows what Buzz will say about position 9 vs position 11 and/or 13. Obviously Avleak is still part of the problem not the solution. Who has pointed out the error in our wayward socialist space programs? Robert Truax has! He was pushing for "a rocket for the rest of us" decades before anyone else, and he actually built rockets. He was not hung up on reusability like NASA is or was. I think Goddard should be on top of that list because he actually built the first liquid fueled rocket. Thinking about it just isn't as important as actually doing something, so davinci and the russian should go to the bottom of the list. Thinking is 1% of the work. 99% of the work is actually doing something. That is why Goddard should be ahead of Von Braun, because he learned from Goddard. |
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Jack Frillman wrote:
20 Jules Verne 32 James Van Allen 46 Will Rogers 67 tie Carl Sagan 71 Gene Roddenberry 84 H.G. Wells 97 William "Bull" Halsey Why are these guy on the list? 2 authors from the 1800's ( yea I know Wells was also in the 1900's) 2 scientists. 1 humorist 1 TV producer 1 Admiral. What did any of them have to do with aviation? Halsey was one of the top commanders and tacticians of the U.S. fast aircraft carrier task forces in WWII. 'Designated a naval aviator in 1935 at the age of 52, he took command of USS Saratoga from 1935 until 1937. In February 1942, then Vice Adm. Halsey while serving as commander, Carrier Division Two aboard the flagship USS Enterprise, led the first counter-strikes of World War II against the Japanese with carrier raids on the Gilbert and Marshall Islands. Later that year, his task force launched the famous "Doolittle Raid" against targets on the Japanese homeland.' 'Assigned as commander, South Pacific Force and South Pacific Area on October 18, 1942, Halsey led the Navy, Marine Corps, and Army forces that conquered the strategically important Solomon Islands. Subsequently as commander, Third Fleet, his task forces consistently won hard fought victories during campaigns in the Philippines, Okinawa, and other islands. Nicknamed "Bull" Halsey he embodied his slogan, "Hit hard, hit fast, hit often." On December 11, 1945, he became the fourth officer to hold the rank of fleet admiral.' http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/halsejr.htm -- Scott M. Kozel Highway and Transportation History Websites Virginia/Maryland/Washington, D.C. http://www.roadstothefuture.com Philadelphia and Delaware Valley http://www.pennways.com |
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Jack Frillman said:
[quotes re-sequenced] What did any of them have to do with aviation? Note the title: 100 stars of aero*SPACE* and aviation. 20 Jules Verne 67 tie Carl Sagan 71 Gene Roddenberry 84 H.G. Wells Each of these people has been an important influence, encouraging others to get involved in space exploration. 32 James Van Allen The first space scientist? He should clearly be on the list. (We can debate the position on the list.) -- Kevin Willoughby lid We'd spend the remaining time trying to fix the engine. -- Neil Armstrong |
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