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Old July 4th 03, 11:27 PM
Rand Simberg
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On 4 Jul 2003 14:58:57 -0700, in a place far, far away,
(ed kyle) made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

How could these listmakers not have placed Korolyov in the
top 10, or even top 5?


Did the mention Tsien?

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Old July 5th 03, 04:30 AM
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Are any wing-walkers on the list?

The Wright brothers borrowed ideas from others. I don't know their names,
but they were influential.


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Old July 5th 03, 05:06 AM
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In article ,
(Henry Spencer) writes:
In article ,
Dale wrote:
Weird list. Why is Will Rogers on it (at #46), but Wiley Ford isn't?
John Glenn is at #89; 25 places below "Wrong Way" Corrigan?


Well, Corrigan _was_ a better storyteller.

Willy Ley and Chesley Bonestell aren't there at all.


Or Hermann Oberth.

Or for that matter, Lee Begin, Ed Schmued... But Leduc is there. Go
figure.

Yeager is there, but Crossfield, Apt, Walker, Kincheloe,

etc. aren't.


Rickenbacker, von Richthofen, Boyington, Bader, etc. are there --
charismatic fighter pilots, yes, but contributors to aviation?? -- and
Erich Hartmann isn't.


Well, in Rickenbacker's defense, he was a lot more than a "Charismatic
fighter pilot". He was also a very early and long-term mover and
shaker in the development of Air Transportation, running Eastern Air
Transport/Eastern Air Lines from teh 1930s through the 1950s. He was
also a key member of a number of wartime Production and Advisory
Boards during WW 2.



The Challenger crew (killed on a supposedly-routine flight) are there, but
Vladimir Komarov (killed testing a new manned spacecraft) is
missing.


Or, for that matter, teh Columbia crew, as well.

Langley (who as far as I know, never got anything to fly) is near the
top, while Paul MacCready (Gossamer Condor etc.) is nowhere to be found.

It's good that Burt Rutan is listed, but I miss Dick Rutan and Jeana Yeager
(it was they and their helpers, not Burt, who built Voyager).
Bleriot below Eiffel? Curtiss and Messerschmitt and Boeing but not Fokker
or de Havilland or Mikoyan?? James Van Allen but not Max Faget or William
Pickering???


And why Leduc, and Latecoere, and not Farman?

And no Sam Heron, Halford, Renschler, or von Ohain.

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Old July 5th 03, 02:26 PM
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In sci.space.policy Scott M. Kozel wrote:
: OM om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org
: wrote:
:
: ...This one'll no doubt raise some eyebrows, especially some of the
: ties, such as positions 25, 67 and 71, or why some were ranked rather
: lower than their contributions deserved, especially Tsiolkovsky. And
: lord knows what Buzz will say about position 9 vs position 11 and/or
: 13.
:
: ...Of course, the most important question most of us will have is why
: Henry isn't on the list :-)
:
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
:
: 1 Wilbur and Orville Wright
: 2 Wernher von Braun
: 3 Robert Goddard
: 4 Leonardo da Vinci

: Leonardo da Vinci lived 1452-1519, centuries before the actual aviation
: and aerospace era. Did anyone else on the list predate the actual
: practice by a large margin?

Sounds like a pretty ethno-centric list. If you're going to include
da Vinci so high, then what about early Chinese pioneers in rocketry and
kite flying?

regards,
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Old July 5th 03, 06:14 PM
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In article ,
"Mike Rhino" writes:
Are any wing-walkers on the list?

The Wright brothers borrowed ideas from others. I don't know their names,
but they were influential.


Well, the Wrights studied what was going on with the others at the
time who were pursuing powered flight. (The credible ones, anyway,
like Lilienthal, Chanute, Pilcher, adn Langley - Octave Chanute was a
good friend of theirs, and kept them informed) They realized, though,
after studying the work of these folks that none of them really
understood what they were up to, either in terms of basic
aerodynamics, or the more critical factors of stability and control.
The Wrights approached the problem of flying systematically, using
models adn wind tunnels to produce the first accurate tables of teh
characteristics of airfoils, and their behavior under various
conditions. They then decided on a rather different approach than had
been taken by others, namely, building a reliably-flying comtrollable
aircraft first, then adding power to it. They used this glider
experimentation, initially in Ohio, and from 'bout 1900 on, at Kill
Devil Hills in North Carolina, to teach themselves how to fly.
Everybody else was of the mind that they'd build a full-up aircraft,
and just jump into it and fly it. That method doesn't work so very
well - just ask the ghost of Charles Manley, Samuel Langley's engineer
and test pilot, and the pioneer in water ditching (Having crashed
twice before the Wrights flew in 1903). The Wrights, as a result of
this incremental development and test program went to North Carolina
on their 1903 expedition armed with a better knowledge of the
fundamentals of aerodynamics, a proven flyable airframe (The 1903
Flyer was a slight incremental development of their phenomenal 1902
glider) and more piloting time than anyone else in the world.

While they certainly examined the ideas of others, they examined them
on their merits, and found most of the previous work lacking.

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Old July 5th 03, 07:15 PM
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OM wrote:
...This one'll no doubt raise some eyebrows, especially some of the
ties, such as positions 25, 67 and 71, or why some were ranked rather
lower than their contributions deserved, especially Tsiolkovsky. And
lord knows what Buzz will say about position 9 vs position 11 and/or
13.

...Of course, the most important question most of us will have is why
Henry isn't on the list :-)

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20 Jules Verne
32 James Van Allen
46 Will Rogers
67 tie Carl Sagan
71 Gene Roddenberry
84 H.G. Wells
97 William "Bull" Halsey


Why are these guy on the list?

2 authors from the 1800's ( yea I know Wells was also in the 1900's)
2 scientists.
1 humorist
1 TV producer
1 Admiral.

What did any of them have to do with aviation?

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Old July 5th 03, 07:40 PM
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OM om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote in message . ..
...This one'll no doubt raise some eyebrows, especially some of the
ties, such as positions 25, 67 and 71, or why some were ranked rather
lower than their contributions deserved, especially Tsiolkovsky. And
lord knows what Buzz will say about position 9 vs position 11 and/or
13.


Obviously Avleak is still part of the problem not the solution. Who
has pointed out the error in our wayward socialist space programs?
Robert Truax has! He was pushing for "a rocket for the rest of us"
decades before anyone else, and he actually built rockets. He was not
hung up on reusability like NASA is or was.

I think Goddard should be on top of that list because he actually
built the first liquid fueled rocket. Thinking about it just isn't as
important as actually doing something, so davinci and the russian
should go to the bottom of the list. Thinking is 1% of the work. 99%
of the work is actually doing something. That is why Goddard should be
ahead of Von Braun, because he learned from Goddard.
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Old July 5th 03, 09:36 PM
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Jack Frillman wrote:

20 Jules Verne
32 James Van Allen
46 Will Rogers
67 tie Carl Sagan
71 Gene Roddenberry
84 H.G. Wells
97 William "Bull" Halsey


Why are these guy on the list?

2 authors from the 1800's ( yea I know Wells was also in the 1900's)
2 scientists.
1 humorist
1 TV producer
1 Admiral.

What did any of them have to do with aviation?


Halsey was one of the top commanders and tacticians of the U.S. fast
aircraft carrier task forces in WWII.

'Designated a naval aviator in 1935 at the age of 52, he took command of
USS Saratoga from 1935 until 1937. In February 1942, then Vice Adm.
Halsey while serving as commander, Carrier Division Two aboard the
flagship USS Enterprise, led the first counter-strikes of World War II
against the Japanese with carrier raids on the Gilbert and Marshall
Islands. Later that year, his task force launched the famous "Doolittle
Raid" against targets on the Japanese homeland.'

'Assigned as commander, South Pacific Force and South Pacific Area on
October 18, 1942, Halsey led the Navy, Marine Corps, and Army forces
that conquered the strategically important Solomon Islands.
Subsequently as commander, Third Fleet, his task forces consistently won
hard fought victories during campaigns in the Philippines, Okinawa, and
other islands. Nicknamed "Bull" Halsey he embodied his slogan, "Hit
hard, hit fast, hit often." On December 11, 1945, he became the fourth
officer to hold the rank of fleet admiral.'

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/halsejr.htm

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Old July 6th 03, 04:24 AM
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Jack Frillman said:
[quotes re-sequenced]
What did any of them have to do with aviation?


Note the title: 100 stars of aero*SPACE* and aviation.


20 Jules Verne
67 tie Carl Sagan
71 Gene Roddenberry
84 H.G. Wells


Each of these people has been an important influence, encouraging
others to get involved in space exploration.


32 James Van Allen


The first space scientist? He should clearly be on the list. (We can
debate the position on the list.)
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We'd spend the remaining time trying to fix the engine.
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