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AvLeak's all-time top 100 stars of aerospace & aviation list
On Fri, 04 Jul 2003 09:31:05 -0400, "Scott M. Kozel" wrote:
Leonardo da Vinci lived 1452-1519, centuries before the actual aviation and aerospace era. Did anyone else on the list predate the actual practice by a large margin? Well, Daniel Bernoulli died in 1782. Maybe that's the second largest "margin" on the list. (?) Dale Richard Branson one notch ahead of Yuri Gagarin? Weird... |
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AvLeak's all-time top 100 stars of aerospace & aviation list
....This one'll no doubt raise some eyebrows, especially some of the
ties, such as positions 25, 67 and 71, or why some were ranked rather lower than their contributions deserved, especially Tsiolkovsky. And lord knows what Buzz will say about position 9 vs position 11 and/or 13. ....Of course, the most important question most of us will have is why Henry isn't on the list :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1 Wilbur and Orville Wright 2 Wernher von Braun 3 Robert Goddard 4 Leonardo da Vinci 5 Glenn Curtiss 6 Charles A. Lindbergh 7 William L. "Billy" Mitchell 8 Clarence L. "Kelly" Johnson 9 Neil A. Armstrong 10 Daniel Bernoulli 11 Charles E. "Chuck" Yeager 12 Otto Lilienthal 13 Buzz Aldrin 14 William Boeing 15 Alan B. Shepard, Jr. 16 Henry H. "Hap" Arnold 17 Manfred von Richthofen 18 Samuel P. Langley 19 Igor I. Sikorsky 20 Jules Verne 21 John K. Northrop 22 Herb Kelleher 23 Edward V. "Eddie" Rickenbacker 24 Jacques-Etienne and Joseph-Michel Montgolfier 25 tie Christopher Kraft 25 tie Antoine de Saint-Exupéry 26 Curtis LeMay 27 Ernst Mach 28 Juan Trippe 29 Elbert "Burt" Rutan 30 Theodore von Karman 31 Alberto Santos-Dumont 32 James Van Allen 33 Alexander Graham Bell 34 Ben Rich 35 Alvin M. "Tex" Johnston 36 Richard Branson 37 Yuri Gagarin 38 Octave Chanute 39 James "Jimmy" H. Doolittle 40 Alexandre Gustave Eiffel 41 Robert "Bob" Crandall 42 Space Shuttle Challenger Crew 43 Louis Bleriot 44 Donald Douglas 45 Claire L. Chenault 46 Will Rogers 47 James A. Lovell, Jr. 48 Robert "Bob" Hoover 49 tie Thomas H. Kelly 49 tie Clément Ader 50 Hugh Dryden 51 Pierre-Georges Latécoère 52 tie Marcel Bloch (Dassault) 52 tie Roger Béteille 53 Virgil I. "Gus" Grissom 54 Ferdinand von Zeppelin 55 Jacqueline Auriol 56 Arthur C. Clarke 57 Isoroku Yamamoto 58 Daniel and Harry Guggenheim 59 Anne Morrow Lindbergh 60 Robert J. Collier 61 Gregory "Pappy" Boyington 62 Elmer Sperry 63 James "Jimmy" Stewart 64 Douglas "Wrong Way" Corrigan 65 Konstantin Tsiolkovsky 66 tie Patricia "Patty" Wagstaff 66 tie Frank Whittle 67 tie Carl Sagan 67 tie Sergey Korolyov 68 Albert Boyd 69 René Leduc 70 John W. Young 71 Gene Roddenberry 72 Valentina Tereshkova 73 Thomas E. Braniff 74 Walter C. "Walt" Williams 75 Jean Mermoz 76 Henri and Maurice Farman 77 Paul Poberezny 78 Jean Bertin 79 Sally K. Ride 80 Roland Garros 81 Osborne Reynolds 82 Amelia Earhart 83 Georges Guynemer 84 H.G. Wells 85 Jean-Pierre Haigneré 86 tie James S. McDonnell, Jr. 86 tie Robert Esnault-Pelterie 87 tie Allan and Malcom Loughhead (Lockheed) 87 tie Marcel Bouilloux-Lafont 88 Richard Bong 89 John H. Glenn, Jr. 90 tie James E. Webb 90 tie Freddie Laker 91 Lawrence Sperry 92 Douglas Bader 93 Howard Hughes 94 Willy Messerschmitt 95 Louis Breguet 96 William A. Moffett 97 William "Bull" Halsey 98 George Mueller 99 Henri Deutsch de la Meurthe 100 Boris Petrov ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ....Figure we should probably fill in just who these guys are. Might make a nice FAQ of sorts :-) OM -- "No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr |
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AvLeak's all-time top 100 stars of aerospace & aviation list
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Dale wrote: Weird list. Why is Will Rogers on it (at #46), but Wiley Ford isn't? John Glenn is at #89; 25 places below "Wrong Way" Corrigan? Al Shepard is much higher than Yuri Gagarin. Richard Branson is way above Korolev. Willy Ley and Chesley Bonestell aren't there at all. Yeager is there, but Crossfield, Apt, Walker, Kincheloe, etc. aren't. Rickenbacker, von Richthofen, Boyington, Bader, etc. are there -- charismatic fighter pilots, yes, but contributors to aviation?? -- and Erich Hartmann isn't. The Challenger crew (killed on a supposedly-routine flight) are there, but Vladimir Komarov (killed testing a new manned spacecraft) is missing. Langley (who as far as I know, never got anything to fly) is near the top, while Paul MacCready (Gossamer Condor etc.) is nowhere to be found. It's good that Burt Rutan is listed, but I miss Dick Rutan and Jeana Yeager (it was they and their helpers, not Burt, who built Voyager). Tsiolkovsky, who came first but was too little known to be very influential, is there, but Oberth isn't. Bleriot below Eiffel? Curtiss and Messerschmitt and Boeing but not Fokker or de Havilland or Mikoyan?? James Van Allen but not Max Faget or William Pickering??? A very strange list. -- MOST launched 1015 EDT 30 June, separated 1046, | Henry Spencer first ground-station pass 1651, all nominal! | |
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Dale wrote:
"Scott M. Kozel" wrote: Leonardo da Vinci lived 1452-1519, centuries before the actual aviation and aerospace era. Did anyone else on the list predate the actual practice by a large margin? Well, Daniel Bernoulli died in 1782. Maybe that's the second largest "margin" on the list. (?) Isn't the Montgolfier Balloon considered to be the first manned vehicular flight? That was in 1783. http://inventors.about.com/library/i.../blairship.htm Then, the first successful manned airplane flight was in 1903. Even though Leonardo da Vinci did work on the theoretical foundation of aviation, it was literally centuries later before it came to fruition with actual manned vehicular flight. As such, I'm surprised that he got the #4 ranking. Also -- 42 Space Shuttle Challenger Crew But the Space Shuttle Columbia Crew didn't rank within the 100. Illogical, IMO. I see that Richard E. Byrd (1888-1957) didn't make the list of 100. "The exploring expedition organized by Richard E. Byrd in 1928 may be considered the first of the mechanical age of exploration in Antarctica. The program was the first of its kind to utilize the airplane, aerial camera, snowmobile and massive communications resources". http://www.south-pole.com/p0000107.htm -- Scott M. Kozel Highway and Transportation History Websites Virginia/Maryland/Washington, D.C. http://www.roadstothefuture.com Philadelphia and Delaware Valley http://www.pennways.com |
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Rickenbacker, von Richthofen, Boyington, Bader, etc. are there -- charismatic fighter pilots, yes, but contributors to aviation?? -- and Erich Hartmann isn't. Oh yes, forgot to explain this one... For those who don't recognize the name, Hartmann is the top-scoring air ace of all time, 352 confirmed kills. (He spent nearly four years on the Eastern Front -- none of this business of "fifty missions and then you go home" -- where he routinely flew several combat missions a day in a target-rich environment. And he was very good and very careful, never taking wild chances that might cut his career short. He may have been aided a little by poorly-trained opponents in poor aircraft, but that wasn't the whole story, as witness the fact that in a brief rotation to the Mediterranean, he added 8 Mustangs to his kill record.) -- MOST launched 1015 EDT 30 June, separated 1046, | Henry Spencer first ground-station pass 1651, all nominal! | |
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Laker?
Mr Virgin?? What exactly are the rules behind the list? I mean, first UK in space was helen Sharman and who was the person responsible for the first space collision? :-) What about the pilots of the X planes? or maybe my reader skipped a row somewhere. Brian -- Brian Gaff.... graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them Email: __________________________________________________ __________________________ __________________________________ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 - Release Date: 30/06/03 |
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AvLeak's all-time top 100 stars of aerospace & aviation list
What about Sergei Korolev?
M. Ota OM wrote: ...This one'll no doubt raise some eyebrows, especially some of the ties, such as positions 25, 67 and 71, or why some were ranked rather lower than their contributions deserved, especially Tsiolkovsky. And lord knows what Buzz will say about position 9 vs position 11 and/or 13. ...Of course, the most important question most of us will have is why Henry isn't on the list :-) |
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AvLeak's all-time top 100 stars of aerospace & aviation list
"Rand Simberg" wrote in message ... Ehricke's missing, as is Max Hunter and Juan Tripp. And Don Douglas and Bill Boeing and Glenn Martin and Jack Northrop and Kelly Johnson and Howard Hughes, and Jimmy Doolittle. They've got Roddenberry, but where's Heinlein and O'Neill, who also inspired so many, often in a more fruitful direction? I like that Roddenberry is there, but you're right, where's Heinlein and Doolittle? And what about Bob Gilruth? |
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Rand Simberg wrote: Ehricke's missing, as is Max Hunter and Juan Tripp. And Don Douglas and Bill Boeing and Glenn Martin and Jack Northrop and Kelly Johnson and Howard Hughes, and Jimmy Doolittle. It's not quite that bad... Trippe is 28, Douglas is 44, Boeing 14, Northrop 21, Johnson 8, Hughes 93, Doolittle 39. No Ehricke, Hunter, or Martin, though. No Karel Bossart or Milton Rosen either. They list Lovell, but no Borman or Conrad. (One might suspect that Jim Lovell made it onto the list by virtue of a certain movie...) They've got Roddenberry, but where's Heinlein and O'Neill, who also inspired so many, often in a more fruitful direction? Indeed so. Clarke, but no Asimov. -- MOST launched 1015 EDT 30 June, separated 1046, | Henry Spencer first ground-station pass 1651, all nominal! | |
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AvLeak's all-time top 100 stars of aerospace & aviation list
OM om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote in message . ..
...This one'll no doubt raise some eyebrows, especially some of the ties, such as positions 25, 67 and 71, or why some were ranked rather lower than their contributions deserved, especially Tsiolkovsky. And lord knows what Buzz will say about position 9 vs position 11 and/or 13. 1 Wilbur and Orville Wright 2 Wernher von Braun 3 Robert Goddard .... 29 Elbert "Burt" Rutan ... 33 Alexander Graham Bell ... 36 Richard Branson 37 Yuri Gagarin ... 67 tie Carl Sagan 67 tie Sergey Korolyov How could these listmakers not have placed Korolyov in the top 10, or even top 5? He was certainly more important for aerospace than Richard Branson, Burt Rutan, etc. (to date at least). Korolyov's Semyorka has launched far more space flights than any other machine (at least four times as many as the nearest competitor). It launched the first satellite, it still flies today, carrying crews and supplies to ISS, and it may soon begin flying from Kourou. - Ed Kyle |
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