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Old July 4th 03, 02:49 PM
Dale
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On Fri, 04 Jul 2003 09:31:05 -0400, "Scott M. Kozel" wrote:

Leonardo da Vinci lived 1452-1519, centuries before the actual aviation
and aerospace era. Did anyone else on the list predate the actual
practice by a large margin?


Well, Daniel Bernoulli died in 1782. Maybe that's the second largest "margin"
on the list. (?)

Dale

Richard Branson one notch ahead of Yuri Gagarin? Weird...
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Old July 4th 03, 03:14 PM
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....This one'll no doubt raise some eyebrows, especially some of the
ties, such as positions 25, 67 and 71, or why some were ranked rather
lower than their contributions deserved, especially Tsiolkovsky. And
lord knows what Buzz will say about position 9 vs position 11 and/or
13.

....Of course, the most important question most of us will have is why
Henry isn't on the list :-)

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1 Wilbur and Orville Wright
2 Wernher von Braun
3 Robert Goddard
4 Leonardo da Vinci
5 Glenn Curtiss
6 Charles A. Lindbergh
7 William L. "Billy" Mitchell
8 Clarence L. "Kelly" Johnson
9 Neil A. Armstrong
10 Daniel Bernoulli
11 Charles E. "Chuck" Yeager
12 Otto Lilienthal
13 Buzz Aldrin
14 William Boeing
15 Alan B. Shepard, Jr.
16 Henry H. "Hap" Arnold
17 Manfred von Richthofen
18 Samuel P. Langley
19 Igor I. Sikorsky
20 Jules Verne
21 John K. Northrop
22 Herb Kelleher
23 Edward V. "Eddie" Rickenbacker
24 Jacques-Etienne and Joseph-Michel Montgolfier
25 tie Christopher Kraft
25 tie Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
26 Curtis LeMay
27 Ernst Mach
28 Juan Trippe
29 Elbert "Burt" Rutan
30 Theodore von Karman
31 Alberto Santos-Dumont
32 James Van Allen
33 Alexander Graham Bell
34 Ben Rich
35 Alvin M. "Tex" Johnston
36 Richard Branson
37 Yuri Gagarin
38 Octave Chanute
39 James "Jimmy" H. Doolittle
40 Alexandre Gustave Eiffel
41 Robert "Bob" Crandall
42 Space Shuttle Challenger Crew
43 Louis Bleriot
44 Donald Douglas
45 Claire L. Chenault
46 Will Rogers
47 James A. Lovell, Jr.
48 Robert "Bob" Hoover
49 tie Thomas H. Kelly
49 tie Clément Ader
50 Hugh Dryden
51 Pierre-Georges Latécoère
52 tie Marcel Bloch (Dassault)
52 tie Roger Béteille
53 Virgil I. "Gus" Grissom
54 Ferdinand von Zeppelin
55 Jacqueline Auriol
56 Arthur C. Clarke
57 Isoroku Yamamoto
58 Daniel and Harry Guggenheim
59 Anne Morrow Lindbergh
60 Robert J. Collier
61 Gregory "Pappy" Boyington
62 Elmer Sperry
63 James "Jimmy" Stewart
64 Douglas "Wrong Way" Corrigan
65 Konstantin Tsiolkovsky
66 tie Patricia "Patty" Wagstaff
66 tie Frank Whittle
67 tie Carl Sagan
67 tie Sergey Korolyov
68 Albert Boyd
69 René Leduc
70 John W. Young
71 Gene Roddenberry
72 Valentina Tereshkova
73 Thomas E. Braniff
74 Walter C. "Walt" Williams
75 Jean Mermoz
76 Henri and Maurice Farman
77 Paul Poberezny
78 Jean Bertin
79 Sally K. Ride
80 Roland Garros
81 Osborne Reynolds
82 Amelia Earhart
83 Georges Guynemer
84 H.G. Wells
85 Jean-Pierre Haigneré
86 tie James S. McDonnell, Jr.
86 tie Robert Esnault-Pelterie
87 tie Allan and Malcom Loughhead (Lockheed)
87 tie Marcel Bouilloux-Lafont
88 Richard Bong
89 John H. Glenn, Jr.
90 tie James E. Webb
90 tie Freddie Laker
91 Lawrence Sperry
92 Douglas Bader
93 Howard Hughes
94 Willy Messerschmitt
95 Louis Breguet
96 William A. Moffett
97 William "Bull" Halsey
98 George Mueller
99 Henri Deutsch de la Meurthe
100 Boris Petrov

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....Figure we should probably fill in just who these guys are. Might
make a nice FAQ of sorts :-)


OM

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Old July 4th 03, 03:56 PM
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In article ,
Dale wrote:
Weird list. Why is Will Rogers on it (at #46), but Wiley Ford isn't?
John Glenn is at #89; 25 places below "Wrong Way" Corrigan?


Al Shepard is much higher than Yuri Gagarin.

Richard Branson is way above Korolev.

Willy Ley and Chesley Bonestell aren't there at all.

Yeager is there, but Crossfield, Apt, Walker, Kincheloe, etc. aren't.

Rickenbacker, von Richthofen, Boyington, Bader, etc. are there --
charismatic fighter pilots, yes, but contributors to aviation?? -- and
Erich Hartmann isn't.

The Challenger crew (killed on a supposedly-routine flight) are there, but
Vladimir Komarov (killed testing a new manned spacecraft) is missing.

Langley (who as far as I know, never got anything to fly) is near the
top, while Paul MacCready (Gossamer Condor etc.) is nowhere to be found.

It's good that Burt Rutan is listed, but I miss Dick Rutan and Jeana Yeager
(it was they and their helpers, not Burt, who built Voyager).

Tsiolkovsky, who came first but was too little known to be very influential,
is there, but Oberth isn't.

Bleriot below Eiffel? Curtiss and Messerschmitt and Boeing but not Fokker
or de Havilland or Mikoyan?? James Van Allen but not Max Faget or William
Pickering???

A very strange list.
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Old July 4th 03, 05:02 PM
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Dale wrote:

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote:

Leonardo da Vinci lived 1452-1519, centuries before the actual aviation
and aerospace era. Did anyone else on the list predate the actual
practice by a large margin?


Well, Daniel Bernoulli died in 1782. Maybe that's the second largest "margin"
on the list. (?)


Isn't the Montgolfier Balloon considered to be the first manned
vehicular flight? That was in 1783.

http://inventors.about.com/library/i.../blairship.htm

Then, the first successful manned airplane flight was in 1903.

Even though Leonardo da Vinci did work on the theoretical foundation of
aviation, it was literally centuries later before it came to fruition
with actual manned vehicular flight. As such, I'm surprised that he got
the #4 ranking.

Also --
42 Space Shuttle Challenger Crew

But the Space Shuttle Columbia Crew didn't rank within the 100.
Illogical, IMO.


I see that Richard E. Byrd (1888-1957) didn't make the list of 100.

"The exploring expedition organized by Richard E. Byrd in 1928 may be
considered the first of the mechanical age of exploration in
Antarctica. The program was the first of its kind to utilize the
airplane, aerial camera, snowmobile and massive communications
resources".

http://www.south-pole.com/p0000107.htm

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Old July 4th 03, 06:07 PM
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I wrote:
Rickenbacker, von Richthofen, Boyington, Bader, etc. are there --
charismatic fighter pilots, yes, but contributors to aviation?? -- and
Erich Hartmann isn't.


Oh yes, forgot to explain this one... For those who don't recognize the
name, Hartmann is the top-scoring air ace of all time, 352 confirmed kills.

(He spent nearly four years on the Eastern Front -- none of this business
of "fifty missions and then you go home" -- where he routinely flew
several combat missions a day in a target-rich environment. And he was
very good and very careful, never taking wild chances that might cut his
career short. He may have been aided a little by poorly-trained opponents
in poor aircraft, but that wasn't the whole story, as witness the fact
that in a brief rotation to the Mediterranean, he added 8 Mustangs to his
kill record.)
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Old July 4th 03, 07:36 PM
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Laker?
Mr Virgin??

What exactly are the rules behind the list?

I mean, first UK in space was helen Sharman and who was the person
responsible for the first space collision? :-)

What about the pilots of the X planes? or maybe my reader skipped a row
somewhere.

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Old July 4th 03, 08:43 PM
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What about Sergei Korolev?

M. Ota

OM wrote:

...This one'll no doubt raise some eyebrows, especially some of the
ties, such as positions 25, 67 and 71, or why some were ranked rather
lower than their contributions deserved, especially Tsiolkovsky. And
lord knows what Buzz will say about position 9 vs position 11 and/or
13.

...Of course, the most important question most of us will have is why
Henry isn't on the list :-)


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Old July 4th 03, 08:59 PM
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"Rand Simberg" wrote in message
...
Ehricke's missing, as is Max Hunter and Juan Tripp. And Don Douglas
and Bill Boeing and Glenn Martin and Jack Northrop and Kelly Johnson
and Howard Hughes, and Jimmy Doolittle. They've got Roddenberry, but
where's Heinlein and O'Neill, who also inspired so many, often in a
more fruitful direction?


I like that Roddenberry is there, but you're right, where's Heinlein and
Doolittle?

And what about Bob Gilruth?


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Old July 4th 03, 09:18 PM
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In article ,
Rand Simberg wrote:
Ehricke's missing, as is Max Hunter and Juan Tripp. And Don Douglas
and Bill Boeing and Glenn Martin and Jack Northrop and Kelly Johnson
and Howard Hughes, and Jimmy Doolittle.


It's not quite that bad... Trippe is 28, Douglas is 44, Boeing 14,
Northrop 21, Johnson 8, Hughes 93, Doolittle 39. No Ehricke, Hunter,
or Martin, though. No Karel Bossart or Milton Rosen either.

They list Lovell, but no Borman or Conrad. (One might suspect that
Jim Lovell made it onto the list by virtue of a certain movie...)

They've got Roddenberry, but
where's Heinlein and O'Neill, who also inspired so many, often in a
more fruitful direction?


Indeed so. Clarke, but no Asimov.
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Old July 4th 03, 10:58 PM
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OM om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote in message . ..
...This one'll no doubt raise some eyebrows, especially some of the
ties, such as positions 25, 67 and 71, or why some were ranked rather
lower than their contributions deserved, especially Tsiolkovsky. And
lord knows what Buzz will say about position 9 vs position 11 and/or
13.


1 Wilbur and Orville Wright
2 Wernher von Braun
3 Robert Goddard
....
29 Elbert "Burt" Rutan
...
33 Alexander Graham Bell
...
36 Richard Branson
37 Yuri Gagarin
...
67 tie Carl Sagan
67 tie Sergey Korolyov


How could these listmakers not have placed Korolyov in the
top 10, or even top 5? He was certainly more important for
aerospace than Richard Branson, Burt Rutan, etc. (to date
at least). Korolyov's Semyorka has launched far more space
flights than any other machine (at least four times as many
as the nearest competitor). It launched the first satellite,
it still flies today, carrying crews and supplies to ISS,
and it may soon begin flying from Kourou.

- Ed Kyle
 




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