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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:27:33 GMT, Dave Michelson
wrote: Derek Lyons wrote: The Pentagon 'decided' to obey the President, who ordered that the initial group of astronauts come from the services. (The DoDs interest in space comes somewhat later.) Sorry, the bracketed remark is incorrect. Both the USAF's X-15 and MISS (Main in Space Soonest) projects pre-date both the formation of NASA and the selection of the Original 7. The X-15 was an NACA/NASA project that the USAF participated in. It was never a USAF project. Instead it was always a joint NASA/USAF project, except early on when it was an NACA/USAF project. In fact, the first ever U.S. (preliminary) astronaut selection was announced in a USAF briefing concerning MISS on 25 June 1958. The list included test pilots Robert Walker, Scott Crossfield, Neil Armstrong, Robert Rushworth, William Bridgeman, Alvin White, Iven Kincheloe, Robert White, and Jack McKay. Scotty, Neil, and Jack were civilians, not military. They all worked at NASA FRC until Scotty went to NAA. It's interesting to note that it seems that Armstrong was simply destined to get into space one way or another. (MISS candidate, X-15 pilot, X-20 candidate, NASA Group II.) NASA test pilot, not military, so he was highly unlikely to be an X-20 candidate. However, he did fly in a NASA project in support of X-20, mimicking the RTLS escape sequence for the X-20 if the rocket had a problem on launch and the X-20 had to set itself free and land. Mary -- Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer |
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:07:17 -0700, Mary Shafer
wrote: However, he did fly in a NASA project in support of X-20, mimicking the RTLS escape sequence for the X-20 if the rocket had a problem on launch and the X-20 had to set itself free and land. ....Details! Details! Aunt Mary, tell us a bedtime story about this one, PLEASE!!! :-) :-) :-) :-) OM -- "No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr |
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Mary Shafer wrote:
The X-15 was an NACA/NASA project that the USAF participated in. It was never a USAF project. Instead it was always a joint NASA/USAF project, except early on when it was an NACA/USAF project. Actually, it was a joint NASA/USAF/USN project, although the USAF took a much larger and more visible role. And it was a strictly NACA project until July 1954, when the services signed on :-) In fact, the first ever U.S. (preliminary) astronaut selection was announced in a USAF briefing concerning MISS on 25 June 1958. The list included test pilots Robert Walker, Scott Crossfield, Neil Armstrong, Robert Rushworth, William Bridgeman, Alvin White, Iven Kincheloe, Robert White, and Jack McKay. Scotty, Neil, and Jack were civilians, not military. Who said they were military? BTW, mention of this "preliminary selection" is mentioned in, among other places, NASM Air & Space Magazine http://www.airspacemag.com/asm/mag/i.../AS/First.html If this is incorrect, the Smithsonian should be notified so the on-line version of the article can be corrected. They all worked at NASA FRC until Scotty went to NAA. At the time, they worked for NACA ;-) ...NASA test pilot, not military, so he was highly unlikely to be an X-20 candidate. However, he did fly in a NASA project in support of X-20, mimicking the RTLS escape sequence for the X-20 if the rocket had a problem on launch and the X-20 had to set itself free and land. Mark Wade lists Armstrong as one of seven pilots who were selected in Apr 1960 as pilots for X-20A Dyna-Soar spaceplane flights. Qualification: Assigned from pool of active USAF and NASA Test Pilots. If this is incorrect, we should notify Mark. http://www.astronautix.com/astrogrp/usap1960.htm -- Dave Michelson |
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It's interesting to note that it seems that Armstrong was simply destined to get into space one way or another. (MISS candidate, X-15 pilot, X-20 candidate, NASA Group II.) The word "destined" implies that a "higher power" is pulling the strings....It just ain't true, gents.though OM was "destined" to be a turd breath |
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Scottso wrote:
It's interesting to note that it seems that Armstrong was simply destined to get into space one way or another. (MISS candidate, X-15 pilot, X-20 candidate, NASA Group II.) The word "destined" implies that a "higher power" is pulling the strings.... Only to you, I'm afraid. Destiny simply implies long term inevitability. Fate might be a useful synonym. No need to invoke "higher powers." -- Dave Michelson |
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"LaDonna Wyss" wrote in message om... In fact, I have a cute piece of information for you: A serious investigator would not refer to information as "cute". Those of you who have emailed me to send information, "The lurkers support me in email!" Who has been emailing you? Why not post their addresses here? I've tried the Pentagon, Air Force and Navy headquarters in Washington *Who* did you contact? Please post copies of your letters, including addresses. You *were* responsible enough to keep copies, weren't you? |
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"LaDonna Wyss" wrote in message om... I deal in psycho-babble I also don't care about truth. After weeding out the excess verbiage, we see the truth. |
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:00:02 -0400, "Scott Hedrick"
wrote: "LaDonna Wyss" wrote in message . com... In fact, I have a cute piece of information for you: A serious investigator would not refer to information as "cute". ....Scott, since I killfiled her, it's obvious her affections have turned towards you. Then again, since she's just trying to make "scott" jealous, it's obvious how sincere her admiration is. OM -- "No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr |
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