China launch will prep for Moon landing

On Thu, 24 May 2018 18:39:04 -0700 (PDT), "Scott M. Kozel"
wrote:
Without Kennedy there would have been no Vietnam War to begin with.

There was a Vietnam war before Kennedy. It was fought by the French
before the US took over.

On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 11:57:56 PM UTC-7, Paul Schlyter wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2018 18:39:04 -0700 (PDT), "Scott M. Kozel"

Without Kennedy there would have been no Vietnam War to begin with.

There was a Vietnam war before Kennedy. It was fought by the French
before the US took over.

Vietnam was was all about oil and not communism!!!

On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 12:49:08 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2018 20:22:02 -0700 (PDT), "Scott M. Kozel"
wrote:

The national economy was moribund under Johnson. It didn’t start to go
through the roof until Reagan.

The one consistent factor in the economy since Truman is that GDP
growth increases almost twice as fast with Democratic administrations
as compared with Republican ones. This partisan gap in growth is large
and statistically significant.

That's baloney, any way you slice it. GDP growth under Oblamer
never reached 3% per year and averaged under 2%.

On Friday, 25 May 2018 09:19:24 UTC-4, Mike Collins wrote:
RichA wrote:
On Thursday, 24 May 2018 04:50:11 UTC-4, Mike Collins wrote:
RichA wrote:
On Monday, 21 May 2018 11:59:43 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-44198673

China has launched a relay satellite to prepare for a lunar rover
mission planned for later in the year.

China is very ambitious?

The tragic thing is they are more less replicating things that were done
what, 55 YEARS ago? We should have colonized the Moon AND Mars y now,
visited all the other planets, and have a ship headed to a near star
system. But lack of interest by an increasingly science-illiterate public
and increasing weak-willed politicians means the space program is back at
square one, wondering slack-jawed if they can cobble together another
Saturn V for a return trip to the Moon and keeping that worthless
money-pit the ISS in orbit.


If the USA had a second Johnson term instead of Nixon the Vietnam war would
have ended years earlier and the USA would have been on Mars before the end
of the 20th century.

Johnson had already set the U.S. down the debt road with his "Great
Society" which cost as much as Vietnam. He was also a paper tiger who
bailed because he could't take the pressure.


Without Kennedy and Johnson there’d have been no Apollo.

OUTSTANDING! Then Project Orion would have happened (Kennedy killed it and went with Apollo) and we'd already have COLONIES on Mars and the Moon.

On Friday, 25 May 2018 18:41:51 UTC-4, Razzmatazz wrote:
On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 8:28:19 AM UTC-5, wrote:
Johnson had already set the U.S. down the debt road with his "Great Society" which cost as much as Vietnam. He was also a paper tiger who bailed because he could't take the pressure.

Poppycock.

The US could easily afford the Great Society.

The winner:
Franklin D. Roosevelt: Added $236 billion, a 1,048 percent increase from the $23 billion debt at the end of Hoover's last budget, FY 1933.

FY 1945 - $58 billion.
FY 1944 - $64 billion.
FY 1943 - $64 billion.
FY 1942 - $23 billion.
FY 1941 - $6 billion.
FY 1940 - $3 billion.
FY 1939 - $3 billion.
FY 1938 - $1 billion.
FY 1937 - $3 billion.
FY 1936 - $5 billion.
FY 1935 - $2 billion.
FY 1934 - $5 billion.

RichA wrote:
On Friday, 25 May 2018 09:19:24 UTC-4, Mike Collins wrote:
RichA wrote:
On Thursday, 24 May 2018 04:50:11 UTC-4, Mike Collins wrote:
RichA wrote:
On Monday, 21 May 2018 11:59:43 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-44198673

China has launched a relay satellite to prepare for a lunar rover
mission planned for later in the year.

China is very ambitious?

The tragic thing is they are more less replicating things that were done
what, 55 YEARS ago? We should have colonized the Moon AND Mars y now,
visited all the other planets, and have a ship headed to a near star
system. But lack of interest by an increasingly science-illiterate public
and increasing weak-willed politicians means the space program is back at
square one, wondering slack-jawed if they can cobble together another
Saturn V for a return trip to the Moon and keeping that worthless
money-pit the ISS in orbit.


If the USA had a second Johnson term instead of Nixon the Vietnam war would
have ended years earlier and the USA would have been on Mars before the end
of the 20th century.

Johnson had already set the U.S. down the debt road with his "Great
Society" which cost as much as Vietnam. He was also a paper tiger who
bailed because he could't take the pressure.


Without Kennedy and Johnson there’d have been no Apollo.

OUTSTANDING! Then Project Orion would have happened (Kennedy killed it
and went with Apollo) and we'd already have COLONIES on Mars and the Moon.


Project Orion would never have happened. Too much radiation from planetary
takeoff. Ok from space made from asteroid resources
Nixon was agitating to massively increase US forces in Vietnam when Kennedy
was President (listen to Simon and Garfunkel six o’clock news/silent night
for confirmation).
All the money would have been spent in an earlier more violent war.

On Wed, 30 May 2018 23:23:13 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

On Friday, 25 May 2018 18:41:51 UTC-4, Razzmatazz wrote:
On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 8:28:19 AM UTC-5, wrote:
Johnson had already set the U.S. down the debt road with his "Great Society" which cost as much as Vietnam. He was also a paper tiger who bailed because he could't take the pressure.

Poppycock.

The US could easily afford the Great Society.

The winner:
Franklin D. Roosevelt: Added $236 billion, a 1,048 percent increase from the $23 billion debt at the end of Hoover's last budget, FY 1933.

It has not been established that debt is necessarily bad, and it's not
recognized as a strong indicator of the state of an economy.

On Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 9:32:21 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2018 23:23:13 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

On Friday, 25 May 2018 18:41:51 UTC-4, Razzmatazz wrote:
On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 8:28:19 AM UTC-5, wrote:
Johnson had already set the U.S. down the debt road with his "Great Society" which cost as much as Vietnam. He was also a paper tiger who bailed because he could't take the pressure.

Poppycock.

The US could easily afford the Great Society.

The winner:
Franklin D. Roosevelt: Added $236 billion, a 1,048 percent increase from the $23 billion debt at the end of Hoover's last budget, FY 1933.

It has not been established that debt is necessarily bad, and it's not
recognized as a strong indicator of the state of an economy.

Then why don't you max out all your credit cards, and then report back to us.

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in
:

On Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 9:32:21 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson
wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2018 23:23:13 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

On Friday, 25 May 2018 18:41:51 UTC-4, Razzmatazz wrote:
On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 8:28:19 AM UTC-5,
wrote:
Johnson had already set the U.S. down the debt road with
his "Great Society" which cost as much as Vietnam. He
was also a paper tiger who bailed because he could't
take the pressure.

Poppycock.

The US could easily afford the Great Society.

The winner:
Franklin D. Roosevelt: Added $236 billion, a 1,048 percent
increase from the $23 billion debt at the end of Hoover's last
budget, FY 1933.

It has not been established that debt is necessarily bad, and
it's not recognized as a strong indicator of the state of an
economy.

Then why don't you max out all your credit cards, and then
report back to us.

As stupid as Chris is (and he is, it seems to be inherent in all
people named Chris), personal credit cards are not "the economy."
And making use of credit is not "maxing it out."

Many companies do, in fact, use credit extensively, and more so
when times are good, with a business model build around the idea.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On Thu, 31 May 2018 13:06:53 -0700 (PDT), "Scott M. Kozel"
wrote:

On Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 9:32:21 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2018 23:23:13 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

On Friday, 25 May 2018 18:41:51 UTC-4, Razzmatazz wrote:
On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 8:28:19 AM UTC-5, wrote:
Johnson had already set the U.S. down the debt road with his "Great Society" which cost as much as Vietnam. He was also a paper tiger who bailed because he could't take the pressure.

Poppycock.

The US could easily afford the Great Society.

The winner:
Franklin D. Roosevelt: Added $236 billion, a 1,048 percent increase from the $23 billion debt at the end of Hoover's last budget, FY 1933.

It has not been established that debt is necessarily bad, and it's not
recognized as a strong indicator of the state of an economy.

Then why don't you max out all your credit cards, and then report back to us.

The country has been at economic high points with high debt, and at
economic low points with low debt. The economy is much more complex
than just debt. And while personal economics bears little resemblance
to national economics, the reality is that there are people with high
debt who are managing their resources far better than people with no
debt at all.

As noted, debt is a lousy indicator of economic status.