Mars Spectacular

oriel36 wrote:
On Friday, August 15, 2014 8:08:32 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:

On Friday, August 15, 2014 4:17:20 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:



But everything except satellites will seem to move around the poles as the



Earth turns.



This is a simple observable fact. To deny this is ignorance or madness.







You just have to live with it!



Here is circumpolar motion taken from England -



http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...-_2141744i.jpg



Ignorance and madness indeed !, if you can get the Sun to follow that

path as the Sun emerges from the horizon then none of you have ever

adored a sunrise or a sunset as the Sun moves directly West by virtue of

a round and rotating Earth -



Think about this very carefully. This view is to the Northeast, The sun is

below the horizon. As Tacitus pointed out almost 2,000 years ago in the

north of Britain the glow of the sun can be seen all night during the

summer passing below the horizon. When below the horizon the Sun follows

exactly the same arc as the stars behind the body of the Angel Of ther

North.

Here's another set of star trails but facing South. You will see that they

follow the same type of arc as the sun but facing south it's easier to

think of these arcs as centred on the South Pole.







http://www.hoydalsvik.net/astrofoto/...t_20101201.jpg



This photo is magnified and occupies only about 12 degrees.



The difference between a genuine astronomer and a celestial sphere

cultist like yourself is that the astronomer refers the apparent motion

of the Sun to the actual motions and shape of the Earth while a cultist

will try to reference the motion of the Sun to a rotating celestial

sphere with its opposing arcs for each hemisphere -



http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140620.html



All it shows Collins is that you and your kind lack that love which makes

knowledge meaningful insofar as sunrise, sunset and the trajectory of the

Sun's arc resonates in a special way with humans in that it draws

attention to the central star that makes life possible and the motions of

the Earth which bring the Sun into view and make it disappear beyond the horizon.



You can't show me a circumpolar arc at all latitudes as the Sun makes its

way from horizon to horizon but again,all that shows are tired middle

class phonies calling themselves 'astronomers' by virtue of magnification equipment.



I have just shown you these arcs.

You have shown me an arc within the Arctic circle created by the daily
and annual surface rotations of the Earth with the major surface rotation
as a function of the Earth's orbital motion causing the Sun to move from
horizon to horizon over a space of 6 months. I don't care if you don't
have the talent to appreciate that any apparent motion of the Sun must be
due to the surface rotation of the planet with the planet's surface
rotation as a function of its orbital motion as a cause for 6 months of
daylight following 6 months of darkness at the North/South poles.

You can't show me the Sun's arc at mid latitudes in circumpolar motion
because the Sun's motion is due West from horizon to horizon and what a
beautiful arc it is as it is seen in either hemisphere looking towards
the Equator where all motions to the Sun are referenced to -

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithab...ice_pivato.jpg


It is not just that a cultist can't reference the daily arcs of the Sun
and the seasonal variations in those arcs to the motions and shape of the
Earth ,they can't even accept the apparent motion of the Sun and its arc
from horizon to horizon.

Those who lack heart will always find things of beauty and simplicity
painful to look at and most certainly here in this topic more than
anywhere else. You could all enjoy your circumpolar motion as I do but
the difference in the arcs it traces from horizon to horizon and that of our central Sun.

There is nowhere to go for your cult once it sees an apparent arc of the
Sun across all latitudes that is not there hence inspirational and intellectual nadir.

Here you are, The Sun's arc at mid - latitudes. Bangor in North Wales.

https://picasaweb.google.com/1122531...E&noredirect=1

"Quadibloc" wrote in message
...

So when are you going to explain your 8" aperture needed to make Mars look
as big as the Moon, Savard?

-- The Reverend Lord Androcles, Archbishop of Ballistic Light.

On Friday, August 15, 2014 10:06:37 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:

On Friday, August 15, 2014 8:08:32 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

oriel36 wrote:



On Friday, August 15, 2014 4:17:20 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:







But everything except satellites will seem to move around the poles as the







Earth turns.







This is a simple observable fact. To deny this is ignorance or madness.















You just have to live with it!







Here is circumpolar motion taken from England -







http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...-_2141744i.jpg







Ignorance and madness indeed !, if you can get the Sun to follow that



path as the Sun emerges from the horizon then none of you have ever



adored a sunrise or a sunset as the Sun moves directly West by virtue of



a round and rotating Earth -







Think about this very carefully. This view is to the Northeast, The sun is



below the horizon. As Tacitus pointed out almost 2,000 years ago in the



north of Britain the glow of the sun can be seen all night during the



summer passing below the horizon. When below the horizon the Sun follows



exactly the same arc as the stars behind the body of the Angel Of ther



North.



Here's another set of star trails but facing South. You will see that they



follow the same type of arc as the sun but facing south it's easier to



think of these arcs as centred on the South Pole.















http://www.hoydalsvik.net/astrofoto/...t_20101201.jpg







This photo is magnified and occupies only about 12 degrees.







The difference between a genuine astronomer and a celestial sphere



cultist like yourself is that the astronomer refers the apparent motion



of the Sun to the actual motions and shape of the Earth while a cultist



will try to reference the motion of the Sun to a rotating celestial



sphere with its opposing arcs for each hemisphere -







http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140620.html







All it shows Collins is that you and your kind lack that love which makes



knowledge meaningful insofar as sunrise, sunset and the trajectory of the



Sun's arc resonates in a special way with humans in that it draws



attention to the central star that makes life possible and the motions of



the Earth which bring the Sun into view and make it disappear beyond the horizon.







You can't show me a circumpolar arc at all latitudes as the Sun makes its



way from horizon to horizon but again,all that shows are tired middle



class phonies calling themselves 'astronomers' by virtue of magnification equipment.







I have just shown you these arcs.



You have shown me an arc within the Arctic circle created by the daily

and annual surface rotations of the Earth with the major surface rotation

as a function of the Earth's orbital motion causing the Sun to move from

horizon to horizon over a space of 6 months. I don't care if you don't

have the talent to appreciate that any apparent motion of the Sun must be

due to the surface rotation of the planet with the planet's surface

rotation as a function of its orbital motion as a cause for 6 months of

daylight following 6 months of darkness at the North/South poles.



You can't show me the Sun's arc at mid latitudes in circumpolar motion

because the Sun's motion is due West from horizon to horizon and what a

beautiful arc it is as it is seen in either hemisphere looking towards

the Equator where all motions to the Sun are referenced to -



http://scienceblogs.com/startswithab...ice_pivato.jpg





It is not just that a cultist can't reference the daily arcs of the Sun

and the seasonal variations in those arcs to the motions and shape of the

Earth ,they can't even accept the apparent motion of the Sun and its arc

from horizon to horizon.



Those who lack heart will always find things of beauty and simplicity

painful to look at and most certainly here in this topic more than

anywhere else. You could all enjoy your circumpolar motion as I do but

the difference in the arcs it traces from horizon to horizon and that of our central Sun.



There is nowhere to go for your cult once it sees an apparent arc of the

Sun across all latitudes that is not there hence inspirational and intellectual nadir.



Here you are, The Sun's arc at mid - latitudes. Bangor in North Wales.



https://picasaweb.google.com/1122531...E&noredirect=1

You people are dangerous cultists or have you forgotten that in the Southern hemisphere it is noon at the same time as latitudes in the Northern hemisphere hence the arcs are always towards the Equator and never in circumpolar motion.

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithab...ice_pivato.jpg

It is noon in Cape Town South Africa at the same time it is noon in central Europe and both observers will see the same arc of the Sun looking towards the Equator even though the arcs vary because of seasonal variations between Southern and Northern hemispheres.

Your particular holocaust is a particularly dangerous one as it defies what is observed thereby freezing the mind in a hopeless state where no inspiration or love ever goes. The saying 'raising the spirits' comes to those who love sunrise and sunset as it actually happens as the Sun moves West in its graceful arc.

On Friday, August 15, 2014 3:36:13 PM UTC-6, oriel36 wrote:

You people are dangerous cultists or have you forgotten that in the Southern
hemisphere it is noon at the same time as latitudes in the Northern hemisphere

No, we didn't forget that. So you're quite correct that an observer would have
to be in the Southern Hemisphere, where you can't see Polaris, to see the Sun's
arc "bent the right way" to circle Polaris, whereas in the Northern Hemisphere,
it's bent away from Polaris.

Since it's still due to the Earth's rotation, though, we viewed that as...
irrelevant. Maybe it's silly of us, but I have my doubts.

John Savard

oriel36 wrote:
On Friday, August 15, 2014 10:06:37 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:

On Friday, August 15, 2014 8:08:32 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

oriel36 wrote:



On Friday, August 15, 2014 4:17:20 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:







But everything except satellites will seem to move around the poles as the







Earth turns.







This is a simple observable fact. To deny this is ignorance or madness.















You just have to live with it!







Here is circumpolar motion taken from England -







http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...-_2141744i.jpg







Ignorance and madness indeed !, if you can get the Sun to follow that



path as the Sun emerges from the horizon then none of you have ever



adored a sunrise or a sunset as the Sun moves directly West by virtue of



a round and rotating Earth -







Think about this very carefully. This view is to the Northeast, The sun is



below the horizon. As Tacitus pointed out almost 2,000 years ago in the



north of Britain the glow of the sun can be seen all night during the



summer passing below the horizon. When below the horizon the Sun follows



exactly the same arc as the stars behind the body of the Angel Of ther



North.



Here's another set of star trails but facing South. You will see that they



follow the same type of arc as the sun but facing south it's easier to



think of these arcs as centred on the South Pole.















http://www.hoydalsvik.net/astrofoto/...t_20101201.jpg







This photo is magnified and occupies only about 12 degrees.







The difference between a genuine astronomer and a celestial sphere



cultist like yourself is that the astronomer refers the apparent motion



of the Sun to the actual motions and shape of the Earth while a cultist



will try to reference the motion of the Sun to a rotating celestial



sphere with its opposing arcs for each hemisphere -







http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140620.html







All it shows Collins is that you and your kind lack that love which makes



knowledge meaningful insofar as sunrise, sunset and the trajectory of the



Sun's arc resonates in a special way with humans in that it draws



attention to the central star that makes life possible and the motions of



the Earth which bring the Sun into view and make it disappear beyond the horizon.







You can't show me a circumpolar arc at all latitudes as the Sun makes its



way from horizon to horizon but again,all that shows are tired middle



class phonies calling themselves 'astronomers' by virtue of magnification equipment.







I have just shown you these arcs.



You have shown me an arc within the Arctic circle created by the daily

and annual surface rotations of the Earth with the major surface rotation

as a function of the Earth's orbital motion causing the Sun to move from

horizon to horizon over a space of 6 months. I don't care if you don't

have the talent to appreciate that any apparent motion of the Sun must be

due to the surface rotation of the planet with the planet's surface

rotation as a function of its orbital motion as a cause for 6 months of

daylight following 6 months of darkness at the North/South poles.



You can't show me the Sun's arc at mid latitudes in circumpolar motion

because the Sun's motion is due West from horizon to horizon and what a

beautiful arc it is as it is seen in either hemisphere looking towards

the Equator where all motions to the Sun are referenced to -



http://scienceblogs.com/startswithab...ice_pivato.jpg





It is not just that a cultist can't reference the daily arcs of the Sun

and the seasonal variations in those arcs to the motions and shape of the

Earth ,they can't even accept the apparent motion of the Sun and its arc

from horizon to horizon.



Those who lack heart will always find things of beauty and simplicity

painful to look at and most certainly here in this topic more than

anywhere else. You could all enjoy your circumpolar motion as I do but

the difference in the arcs it traces from horizon to horizon and that of our central Sun.



There is nowhere to go for your cult once it sees an apparent arc of the

Sun across all latitudes that is not there hence inspirational and intellectual nadir.



Here you are, The Sun's arc at mid - latitudes. Bangor in North Wales.



https://picasaweb.google.com/1122531...E&noredirect=1

You people are dangerous cultists or have you forgotten that in the
Southern hemisphere it is noon at the same time as latitudes in the
Northern hemisphere hence the arcs are always towards the Equator and
never in circumpolar motion.

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithab...ice_pivato.jpg

It is noon in Cape Town South Africa at the same time it is noon in
central Europe and both observers will see the same arc of the Sun
looking towards the Equator even though the arcs vary because of seasonal
variations between Southern and Northern hemispheres.

So what you are saying is that they will see the same arc except that it
won't be the same.
Also it will be clockwise in the northern hemisphere and anticlockwise in
the southern .



Your particular holocaust is a particularly dangerous one as it defies
what is observed thereby freezing the mind in a hopeless state where no
inspiration or love ever goes. The saying 'raising the spirits' comes to
those who love sunrise and sunset as it actually happens as the Sun moves
West in its graceful arc.

Mike Collins:
...
This is a simple observable fact. To deny this is ignorance or madness.
You just have to live with it!

Davoud:
Well, that settles it. You have put Oriel straight once and for all
time and it seems unlikely he will post here again, right? I mean, you
must be pretty certain of that, otherwise you wouldn't waste your time
answering him, right?

Mike Collins:
Eventually the horse may learn to sing. But I'm not taking bets.

O, I would definitely take a bet. I would bet that he will continue to
sucker people into replying, i.e., that some people will continue to
kick that dead horse.

The only reason I care is that my kill-file is defeated every time I
unsuspectingly open a post from someone other than one of the trolls
that I have kill-filed and find their post quoted in its entirety at
the top. No harm done, just one more minor annoyance on the Internet.

--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

On Friday, August 15, 2014 11:10:42 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:

On Friday, August 15, 2014 10:06:37 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

oriel36 wrote:



On Friday, August 15, 2014 8:08:32 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:



oriel36 wrote:







On Friday, August 15, 2014 4:17:20 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:















But everything except satellites will seem to move around the poles as the















Earth turns.















This is a simple observable fact. To deny this is ignorance or madness.































You just have to live with it!















Here is circumpolar motion taken from England -















http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...-_2141744i.jpg















Ignorance and madness indeed !, if you can get the Sun to follow that







path as the Sun emerges from the horizon then none of you have ever







adored a sunrise or a sunset as the Sun moves directly West by virtue of







a round and rotating Earth -















Think about this very carefully. This view is to the Northeast, The sun is







below the horizon. As Tacitus pointed out almost 2,000 years ago in the







north of Britain the glow of the sun can be seen all night during the







summer passing below the horizon. When below the horizon the Sun follows







exactly the same arc as the stars behind the body of the Angel Of ther







North.







Here's another set of star trails but facing South. You will see that they







follow the same type of arc as the sun but facing south it's easier to







think of these arcs as centred on the South Pole.































http://www.hoydalsvik.net/astrofoto/...t_20101201.jpg















This photo is magnified and occupies only about 12 degrees.















The difference between a genuine astronomer and a celestial sphere







cultist like yourself is that the astronomer refers the apparent motion







of the Sun to the actual motions and shape of the Earth while a cultist







will try to reference the motion of the Sun to a rotating celestial







sphere with its opposing arcs for each hemisphere -















http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140620.html















All it shows Collins is that you and your kind lack that love which makes







knowledge meaningful insofar as sunrise, sunset and the trajectory of the







Sun's arc resonates in a special way with humans in that it draws







attention to the central star that makes life possible and the motions of







the Earth which bring the Sun into view and make it disappear beyond the horizon.















You can't show me a circumpolar arc at all latitudes as the Sun makes its







way from horizon to horizon but again,all that shows are tired middle







class phonies calling themselves 'astronomers' by virtue of magnification equipment.















I have just shown you these arcs.







You have shown me an arc within the Arctic circle created by the daily



and annual surface rotations of the Earth with the major surface rotation



as a function of the Earth's orbital motion causing the Sun to move from



horizon to horizon over a space of 6 months. I don't care if you don't



have the talent to appreciate that any apparent motion of the Sun must be



due to the surface rotation of the planet with the planet's surface



rotation as a function of its orbital motion as a cause for 6 months of



daylight following 6 months of darkness at the North/South poles.







You can't show me the Sun's arc at mid latitudes in circumpolar motion



because the Sun's motion is due West from horizon to horizon and what a



beautiful arc it is as it is seen in either hemisphere looking towards



the Equator where all motions to the Sun are referenced to -







http://scienceblogs.com/startswithab...ice_pivato.jpg











It is not just that a cultist can't reference the daily arcs of the Sun



and the seasonal variations in those arcs to the motions and shape of the



Earth ,they can't even accept the apparent motion of the Sun and its arc



from horizon to horizon.







Those who lack heart will always find things of beauty and simplicity



painful to look at and most certainly here in this topic more than



anywhere else. You could all enjoy your circumpolar motion as I do but



the difference in the arcs it traces from horizon to horizon and that of our central Sun.







There is nowhere to go for your cult once it sees an apparent arc of the



Sun across all latitudes that is not there hence inspirational and intellectual nadir.







Here you are, The Sun's arc at mid - latitudes. Bangor in North Wales.







https://picasaweb.google.com/1122531...E&noredirect=1



You people are dangerous cultists or have you forgotten that in the

Southern hemisphere it is noon at the same time as latitudes in the

Northern hemisphere hence the arcs are always towards the Equator and

never in circumpolar motion.



http://scienceblogs.com/startswithab...ice_pivato.jpg



It is noon in Cape Town South Africa at the same time it is noon in

central Europe and both observers will see the same arc of the Sun

looking towards the Equator even though the arcs vary because of seasonal

variations between Southern and Northern hemispheres.



So what you are saying is that they will see the same arc except that it

won't be the same.


On Dec 21st it will be noon along the same longitude across both hemispheres so that in Cape Town they will see the familiar arc of the Sun from horizon to horizon looking towards the Equator while at the same time somebody in Poland will see the smallest arc of the Sun for that same day . Similar daily arcs as a mirror image but seasonal variations in arc as the Solstice image of the arc demonstrates -

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithab...ice_pivato.jpg




Also it will be clockwise in the northern hemisphere and anticlockwise in

the southern .



Davoud was trying to tell you to stop digging as it is making you cultists even worse than you already are but he needn't have bothered,disputing the apparent daily arc of the Sun or trying to put the Sun in circumpolar motion is already inspirational and intellectual rock bottom. I had to look into a cult mentality so don't mind jumping through hoops in the hope that some flicker of recognition may enter an observer's soul so they could see how their minds are frozen solid with contrived nonsense passed on from one generation to the next.

The Earth rotates from West to East across its entire surface making the Sun appear to move from East to West with the daily arcs as it moves from the horizon a feature of its roundness,something easily recognizable with the lengths of a shadow through the day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B7KLstUZbI

Again there will be a mirror image between hemispheres as the Sun arcs higher and shortens the shadow so the focus is on the motions of the Earth and the central Sun rather than the need to drag in a circumpolar framework.

If need be then enjoy circumpolar motion but as a separate arc to the Sun's motion but ultimately it is always sunrise and sunset that always raises the spirits.

On Friday, August 15, 2014 4:17:22 PM UTC-7, oriel36 wrote:

On Dec 21st it will be noon along the same longitude across both hemispheres so that in Cape Town they will see the familiar arc of the Sun from horizon to horizon looking towards the Equator while at the same time somebody in Poland will see the smallest arc of the Sun for that same day...

.... and someone on that same day at the south pole would see the biggest arc possible, as the Sun circles the entire sky and never crosses the horizon at all... and where do you suppose the center of that 360-degree arc lies.... hmmmm, any guess?

On Friday, August 15, 2014 3:49:35 PM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
whereas in the Northern Hemisphere,
it's bent away from Polaris.

At least if you're north of the tropics... or during Fall and Winter.

John Savard

On Friday, August 15, 2014 5:17:22 PM UTC-6, oriel36 wrote:
trying to put the Sun in circumpolar motion is already inspirational and
intellectual rock bottom.

OK, you're actually telling me it is intellectual rock bottom to fail to
distinguish between the stars whose declination is north of my latitude, which
are in apparent circumpolar motion, and the stars whose declination is south of
my latitude, and thus have an apparent motion in the opposite direction, like
the Sun and the planets that are also found in that part of the sky.

Seriously?

John Savard