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....BUZZ Aldrin Launches New Space Solar Power Alliance.
It's just so much fun to watch an idea spread and gather steam. How many times do I have to say it's only a matter of time before Space Solar Power becomes the new goal of NASA. The day Pres Bush leaves office, it'll be like the "Vision never happened. New Alliance for Space Solar Power to Be Announced On October 10, 2007, leading space advocacy organizations and Apollo astronaut Buzz Aldrin will announce the formation of a new alliance to advance a common goal: Ensuring that the benefits of renewable clean energy from space solar power are understood and supported by business, governments and the general public. The inaugural event of the new alliance, to be held at the National Press Club in Washington D.C., will highlight a study underway by the National Security Space Office (NSSO) on the viability of space-based solar power. Space Solar Power means gathering energy in space and transmitting it wirelessly for use on Earth. Such technology could be a major solution to humanity's long-term energy needs, providing limitless renewable power with zero carbon emissions. We invite you to join us for this special event, to hear interim results of the study, and to learn about the initial goals and members of the new alliance. http://www.comspacewatch.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=23696 |
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....BUZZ Aldrin Launches New Space Solar Power Alliance.
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:14:05 -0500, in a place far, far away,
"Jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: It's just so much fun to watch an idea spread and gather steam. How many times do I have to say it's only a matter of time before Space Solar Power becomes the new goal of NASA. Who knows? No matter how many times you say it, it remains a fantasy. If you think that Buzz Aldrin saying something lends it credibility, you've been toking even more than you thought. I like Buzz, but the notion that his imprimatur increases its likelihood defies history. |
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....BUZZ Aldrin Launches New Space Solar Power Alliance.
"Rand Simberg" I like Buzz, but the notion that his imprimatur increases its likelihood defies history. Dunno why this space power thing attracts people, other than the Buck Rogers fantasy. I think the effort to do this is like a moon landing times 1000. Aldrin has the vision thing, but lacks the "scale" thing. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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....BUZZ Aldrin Launches New Space Solar Power Alliance.
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"Revision" wrote: "Rand Simberg" I like Buzz, but the notion that his imprimatur increases its likelihood defies history. Dunno why this space power thing attracts people, other than the Buck Rogers fantasy. I think the effort to do this is like a moon landing times 1000. Aldrin has the vision thing, but lacks the "scale" thing. It attracts people because it's a reasonably good idea, and one of the few ways we can reasonably provide large-scale baseline power for the Earth without either increasing our carbon burden, or encouraging nuclear proliferation. (This assuming that polywell fusion doesn't work out, of course -- we should know something more about that within a year, I would guess.) Of course, the fact that it's a good idea doesn't change the fact that Jonathan is a nut. -- "Polywell" fusion -- an approach to nuclear fusion that might actually work. Learn more and discuss via: http://www.strout.net/info/science/polywell/ |
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....BUZZ Aldrin Launches New Space Solar Power Alliance.
On Oct 31, 9:28 am, Joe Strout wrote:
In article , "Revision" wrote: "Rand Simberg" I like Buzz, but the notion that his imprimatur increases its likelihood defies history. Dunno why this space power thing attracts people, other than the Buck Rogers fantasy. I think the effort to do this is like a moon landing times 1000. Aldrin has the vision thing, but lacks the "scale" thing. It attracts people because it's a reasonably good idea, and one of the few ways we can reasonably provide large-scale baseline power for the Earth without either increasing our carbon burden, or encouraging nuclear proliferation. (This assuming that polywell fusion doesn't work out, of course -- we should know something more about that within a year, I would guess.) Of course, the fact that it's a good idea doesn't change the fact that Jonathan is a nut. Einstein was also a weird kind of Jewish nut that didn't believe in God, so what's your point? - Brad Guth - |
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....BUZZ Aldrin Launches New Space Solar Power Alliance.
"Revision" wrote in message .. . "Rand Simberg" I like Buzz, but the notion that his imprimatur increases its likelihood defies history. Dunno why this space power thing attracts people, other than the Buck Rogers fantasy. I think the effort to do this is like a moon landing times 1000. Aldrin has the vision thing, but lacks the "scale" thing. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com So, how exactly would it be done? A GEO satellite would be in the dark half the time, Right? A Polar orbit satellite would not have a place to "Beam" the power to. Wouldn't such an installation have to be huge? Would you want to live next door to the target area? With many(thousands?) of expensive and polluting launches required to get a 1/2 time Microwave beam with it's own losses and risks, how is this "limitless clean power"? Al G |
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....BUZZ Aldrin Launches New Space Solar Power Alliance.
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:02:19 -0700, in a place far, far away, "Al G"
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: "Revision" wrote in message . .. "Rand Simberg" I like Buzz, but the notion that his imprimatur increases its likelihood defies history. Dunno why this space power thing attracts people, other than the Buck Rogers fantasy. I think the effort to do this is like a moon landing times 1000. Aldrin has the vision thing, but lacks the "scale" thing. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com So, how exactly would it be done? A GEO satellite would be in the dark half the time, Right? Wrong. It gets continuous sunlight except for a few minutes a day during the solstices. With many(thousands?) of expensive and polluting launches If launches remain expensive, then it will make no sense, but they won't. |
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....BUZZ Aldrin Launches New Space Solar Power Alliance.
"Al G" wrote in message
... "Revision" wrote in message A GEO satellite would be in the dark half the time, Right? No. Note the Earth has a tilt to it, so at 22,300 miles, you're "above" or "below" the pole at least as far as the being able to see the Sun is. A Polar orbit satellite would not have a place to "Beam" the power to. Wouldn't such an installation have to be huge? Would you want to live next door to the target area? Sure, power would be cheap and I like living next to large open fields. With many(thousands?) of expensive and polluting launches required to get a 1/2 time Microwave beam with it's own losses and risks, how is this "limitless clean power"? Expensive, none. Since it's not cost effective. When launch costs start to drop we'll see more talk. As for polluting, moving to something like a LH2/LOX launcher solves most of that problem (but not all). Al G -- Greg Moore SQL Server DBA Consulting Remote and Onsite available! Email: sql (at) greenms.com http://www.greenms.com/sqlserver.html |
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....BUZZ Aldrin Launches New Space Solar Power Alliance.
"Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)" wrote:
"Al G" wrote in message With many(thousands?) of expensive and polluting launches required Expensive, none. Since it's not cost effective. When launch costs start to drop we'll see more talk. As for polluting, moving to something like a LH2/LOX launcher solves most of that problem (but not all). And is it really that big a problem even if it is RP1(?)/LOX. Apart from maint, those are a one time thing, not like the recurring release of carbon et al from running a conventional power plant. rick jones -- portable adj, code that compiles under more than one compiler these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH... |
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....BUZZ Aldrin Launches New Space Solar Power Alliance.
"Revision" wrote in message .. . "Rand Simberg" I like Buzz, but the notion that his imprimatur increases its likelihood defies history. Dunno why this space power thing attracts people, other than the Buck Rogers fantasy. I think the effort to do this is like a moon landing times 1000. Aldrin has the vision thing, but lacks the "scale" thing. Oil was $92 a barrel the other day. A lot of people, including Congress and NASA thought it was a good idea when oil was as low as $8 under Clinton. And with C02 rising at over 2% per year, and our biosphere only 10% away from it's Co2 tipping point, SSP is an idea that gets more attractive each and every day. You guys think in such narrow ways. You see only all the problems, time and effort, building such a system entails...and throw your hands up in the air...saying it's all just too much. And given the circumstances today you'd be correct. But your classical training leaves you so limited. You wait for some problem to come along, then try to find the best solution(s) you can think of. SSP would not be seen as the best solution right now since there's so many unanswerable questions from one end to the other. Such large amounts of uncertainty can't be fashioned into the kind of exact answers your objective methods are inherently attracted to. I just look at it as another complex dynamic system. A complex adaptive system (CAS), according to complexity science, defines the abstract idealized naturally evolving system. Or, a CAS is what the perfect evolving system would look like...if there could be a perfect system. Which of course is not possible in reality. Thematic Complexity Introductions http://www.calresco.org/themes.htm Don't you see what this means? A CAS is the abstract 'perfect' solution to any given real world problem. You merely must learn how to apply the abstract to the real world system at hand. Any naturally evolving systems are ultimately a system initiated by ...two... primary driving forces/variables Complex Adaptive Systems - Webs of Delight http://www.calresco.org/lucas/cas.htm One of those variables, in this case, would be your conventional analysis, what can actually do the job. But the other driving force, which serves to generate a self organizing system, would be the level of connectivity the whole (idea) has to the components involved. In this case people. You must /limit your solution/ to the region that is equally attractive to all concerned. Before I gave a whit about NASA or SSP, and before I even knew we were going back to the moon I wondered if I could apply complexity science to finding the idealized solution to, not a problem but an idea. Treat deriving an idea as a system. The two primary variables must always be the system specific static and chaotic forms. Or..the classical and quantum forms. Or...the deterministic and statistical sciences. The static variable of the perfect idea.... .....would be the simplest solution to the largest possible problem. The chaotic variable of the perfect idea... ....would be the region of greatest attraction to to the most possible. Since finding those two variables will find the perfect solution, you simply reapply those two questions ...at every step in the process from here on. This is a universal problem solving method. Each step is simply solved in the same rote way. For instance, the first question to be answered is what is the largest and most difficult problem that exists? Well... we must translate this question from the abstract to the real. Find the static and chaotic or as I call it....the opposite extremes in possibility. For the greatest problem those two opposite extremes are simply the present and the future. Which problem is optimized for both....and....also appeals to the most possible for the present and the future also. So I merely compiled a short list of the greatest global problems. CBS News/New York Times Poll. July 9-17, 2007. N=1,554 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults). |
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