O'keefe says Zubrin's op-ed = 'wrong headed thinking...'

...especially since, prior to a multi-year mission to Mars, the crew
would have their tonsils and appendices removed... and their tubes tied.
Foreseeable medical issues that can be reasonably prevented WILL BE
prevented.

Human beings selected for a Mars mission can be assumed to be intelligent
responsible adults who don't need to be spayed like animals. If a human being
isn't house trained, he shouldn't be on this mission. The selection criteria is
very strigent. Few people get to go and those few that make it have an interest
in the mission succeeding.

Tom

"TKalbfus" wrote in message
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Gemini XI

Will McLean


It wasn't deliberate and a result of malfunctioning thrusters. Besides,
the
spin radius was too small.

You're confusing your Gemini's.



Tom

TKalbfus wrote:

The only other thing that might make it plausible
is if Mission Control was moved from where it is now to a place where
protestors could be right outside. Were talking ten years in the future so who
knows what the layout of the place would look like.

Even if it moves, iot's not going to be moved to right next to a public
space.



Completely unrealistic and insultingly silly.


It was clearly her responsibility not to get pregnant, I don't think it should
be necessary to have each female astronaut's tubes tied and to give each male
astronaut a vasectomy before each mission.

Sure it should. I note you snipped the tonsil/appendix issue: it is jsut
basic common sense to take prevantative emasures to preclude easily
precludable medical emergencies.

--
Scott Lowther, Engineer

"Any statement by Edward Wright that starts with 'You seem to think
that...' is wrong. Always. It's a law of Usenet, like Godwin's."
- Jorge R. Frank, 11 Nov 2002

TKalbfus wrote:

...especially since, prior to a multi-year mission to Mars, the crew
would have their tonsils and appendices removed... and their tubes tied.
Foreseeable medical issues that can be reasonably prevented WILL BE
prevented.

Human beings selected for a Mars mission can be assumed to be...

....human beings. It stretches imagination well beyond the breaking point
to try to swallow the notion that young, healthy men and women will
ignore basic human passions for two years while cooped up in somethign
notably smaller thana good house.

intelligent
responsible adults who don't need to be spayed like animals. If a human being
isn't house trained, he shouldn't be on this mission. The selection criteria is
very strigent.

Eunuchs only?

--
Scott Lowther, Engineer

"Any statement by Edward Wright that starts with 'You seem to think
that...' is wrong. Always. It's a law of Usenet, like Godwin's."
- Jorge R. Frank, 11 Nov 2002

Chris Vancil wrote:

BTW when mentioning anything here that has Zubrin's name involved,
expect Scott and crew to descend on you...

I see no reason why experience should be ignored.

--
Scott Lowther, Engineer

"Any statement by Edward Wright that starts with 'You seem to think
that...' is wrong. Always. It's a law of Usenet, like Godwin's."
- Jorge R. Frank, 11 Nov 2002

Chris Vancil wrote:

..."wrong headed thinking."
I think O'Keeke was actually talking about the idea of converting the
STS into a cargo carrying system (Shuttle-C)

In which case he would be correct. There are not payloads enough for the
boosters we have *now*. HLLVs would be astonishingly superflouous.

And worst of all would sort of require some function for the large
cargo launcher...like going back to the Moon or on to Mars or
both...this is surely wrong headed think!

It is indeed. It'd be like building a giant cargo ship, and then
wondering what you could possible put in it. Great Eastern, anyone?

If you want HLLV's, come up with and justify the program that would
require them *first.* There is currently no lunar program. There is no
manned Mars program, not new space stations in planning, no solar power
satellites, so on. Without those programs (or something along the same
lines), there is absolutely no justification for starting an HLLV
development program. An HLLV is, not an end unto itself, but a tool. You
do not buy extremely expensive tools with the intention of coming up
with something to do with them.


--
Scott Lowther, Engineer

"Any statement by Edward Wright that starts with 'You seem to think
that...' is wrong. Always. It's a law of Usenet, like Godwin's."
- Jorge R. Frank, 11 Nov 2002

Sure it should. I note you snipped the tonsil/appendix issue: it is jsut
basic common sense to take prevantative emasures to preclude easily
precludable medical emergencies.


So you fix them so they never can have children? These procedures are hard to
reverse. Wouldn't it be better just to trust their good behavior than to force
them to undergo an irreversable procedure?

Tom

Eunuchs only?

--
Scott Lowther, Engineer

If you do it to women, its only fair that you do it to men as well so they
can't father any children. They could instead practise safe sex or
autostimulate themselves, or download lots of dirty picture from Earth. I don't
like unnecessary medical operations. The people their should realize that
having children on a mission is not a good idea. Your not going to select
rapists, and perverts to go on this mission. There is no way they can get away
with it anyway unless they choose never to return to Earth. If someone rapes
somebody up there, the cops are going to be waiting for them when they return
to Earth, its as simple as that.

Tom

TKalbfus wrote:

Sure it should. I note you snipped the tonsil/appendix issue: it is jsut
basic common sense to take prevantative emasures to preclude easily
precludable medical emergencies.


So you fix them so they never can have children? These procedures are hard to
reverse.

A mission to Mars that fails due to the needless death of crewmembers is
even harder to reverse.

--
Scott Lowther, Engineer

"Any statement by Edward Wright that starts with 'You seem to think
that...' is wrong. Always. It's a law of Usenet, like Godwin's."
- Jorge R. Frank, 11 Nov 2002

TKalbfus wrote:

If you do it to women, its only fair that you do it to men as well so they
can't father any children.

Nobody has argued otherwise.

much blather snipped

--
Scott Lowther, Engineer

"Any statement by Edward Wright that starts with 'You seem to think
that...' is wrong. Always. It's a law of Usenet, like Godwin's."
- Jorge R. Frank, 11 Nov 2002