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Discovery launch debris
We have some interesting debris pictures recently acquired and only on
our site. well for now anyhow http://usspacenews.com/ Cheers! |
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On 29 Jul 2005 19:56:53 -0700, "editor" wrote:
We have some interesting debris pictures recently acquired and only on our site. well for now anyhow http://usspacenews.com/ Very nice job! Still needs a bit of proofreading though... i.e., its "execute package" not "executive package". Brian |
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Brian Thorn wrote:
On 29 Jul 2005 19:56:53 -0700, "editor" wrote: We have some interesting debris pictures recently acquired and only on our site. well for now anyhow http://usspacenews.com/ Very nice job! Still needs a bit of proofreading though... i.e., its "execute package" not "executive package". Yah - and they need to learn the meaning of 'exclusive' too... D. -- Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL |
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Is there anywhere a person could go on the web to view pictures of
astronaut remains taken shortly after crashes? |
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On 30 Jul 2005 10:48:30 -0700, "Larry Haines"
wrote: Is there anywhere a person could go on the web to view pictures of astronaut remains taken shortly after crashes? No, that is restricted out of sensitivity to the astronauts' next of kin. Brian |
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Is there anywhere a person could go on the web to view pictures of
astronaut remains taken shortly after crashes? And why on earth would anyone care to view such a thing? |
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:48:08 -0700, "Dave O'Malley"
wrote: Is there anywhere a person could go on the web to view pictures of astronaut remains taken shortly after crashes? And why on earth would anyone care to view such a thing? An inquisitive human nature mostly. I guess that the most acceptable answer would be a scientific understanding of the resulting effects to the human body caused by such an event. Hell, you could even go on to say that such knowledge could improve safety. Most people desiring such photos would, I am sure, do so for more morbid reasons. The simple fascination of death. And the other aspect of human nature to imagine themselves in dangerous situations in order to figure out how to maximise their own survival odds. Considering the sensitive nature of these two shuttle accidents, then photos simply won't be available. The public would not allow it, unlike in many other post death situations. The Net does indeed contain everything that the human mind could desire. I have always thought that people should go and see an autopsy. There after all you can obtain a great understanding of the physical human body. Handled with the same cold efficiency, just like how a butcher makes some pork chops. This is no careful surgery. Still, people will come to understand death by their own method, where seeing the human body as "meat" can also have a down side. In the case of these astronauts there is a lot of respect, which is why apart from lack of photos a few negative points could have been swept under the rug as well. The result in an event that is kind of sacred. That I do not see as quite a helpful situation either. This simply cannot happen every time NASA has a "bad day", when they simply stall doing their assigned job. This is exactly why NASA has just grounded their shuttles following the most successful and safe shuttle launch to date. As opposed to correcting these minor problems during on-going operations. Hell this certainly cannot happen when NASA has people on the Moon and Mars depending on them really launching astronauts on the exact same hardware that killed the last crew. NASA cannot do that now simply because they currently attach too much importance to death. Yes, it certainly is an horrific situation. However, as I said before the only solution to death is acceptance. Stand up, dust off, do the quick corrections, and then plan for the next launch. All about doing the job that they have been assigned to. Life goes on and all that. Still, NASA is not much fuzzed over the fact that the ISS is many years behind schedule. To them it is a job, where they will still have that job if they launch shuttles or not. So they have no real pressure to launch, beyond my moaning that is. :-] Anyway, had such photos been available, then so would those seeking them get whatever gratification from them that they seek. My end statement has to be "Yes, one day even you will die. Now move on". Cardman. |
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:02:16 -0700, "Dave O'Malley"
wrote: NASA cannot do that now simply because they currently attach too much importance to death. Organizations pretend that they place a high value on human life, but in actuality, life is cheap to them. Well NASA is sure as hell doing a great job in making it look like they just wiped out the population of a small country. I just have to say that NASA has no business in putting safety first, when space travel is currently dangerous. Just open the window to let in some fresh air to see what I mean. Not that safety should not fit in there at a lower level, but the truth seems to be that NASA cares a lot more about the safety of their astronauts than they do about space based construction and exploration. Let me put it this way. As if NASA establishes a project to land their people on Titan, then their astronauts would jump over each other in the rush to sign up to take this trip. That is even if odds of death are as high as 20%. And well should they kill one of their crew, then so do they have the option of being buried in the hydrocarbons on Titan. We came. We explored. We established a crude base. Where most of us made it back alive. I see no reason why their astronauts would not love that plan. Putting their boots on alien soil. Having their name put down in the history books as being the first. And naturally advancing human civilization so that we can one day claim this Galaxy as our property. It is hard to say before this moon plan came about just what was NASA's collective goal. They just seemed to have "pet projects" in order to make it look like they were doing something useful. Naturally they did indeed do many useful things, but if they are indeed sending people into space then there only seems like the one objective. And in that one area of exploration and construction, then they just do not seem to have the right mentality to do a real job. That mentality is the thought that they could indeed kill 14 astronauts, but they get a nice space station for that cost. Not that this space station is worth 14 lives. However, this ISS can indeed be very useful to us in the future, where we are certainly committed to building it, even if it costs another 7 lives. And in the way of things I guess that these astronauts would be willing to risk, and lose, their life so that their fellow astronauts can one day walk on alien soil. So is NASA doing this? Are they scheduling in as many ISS construction flights as possible, so that once the ISS is complete they can then move on to better things? Naturally no... They have even yet to learn that if a job is worth doing it is worth doing well. What pride is there in a half finished project? Instead they take their most successful shuttle launch to date, nit pick it for "foam flakes", then to ground their entire shuttle fleet as if this greatest launch yet was a terrible failure. And, shock horror, this is all being done in the name of "safety". If this was actually a real safety matter than this would make some sense, but they already well know why this foam came off. What is more is that even if this launch was repeated 1000 times, then foam coming off should not ever again pose a real safety concern. If anything I would say that NASA is simply playing to the tune of the media. People saw this foam chuck fly off. They media began to brand it "killer foam", where NASA now wanting to look like they know all about safety agreed. You can consider this next shuttle launch as a test. Should it launch in September as planned, then NASA really wants to go down this ISS completion path. Should it get delayed beyond this, then obviously NASA is putting safety first. Still, had NASA actually wanted to get this ISS job done, then maybe they should not have taken this two and a half year break in the first place. As that sounds like either they love their astronauts, or they love their shuttle hardware. The shuttle can be replaced I am sure. Then again without this break and looking like a hard up governmental agency, then maybe they would not have got this Moon base plan. Alas politics tends to cloud the subject. So all signs currently point to NASA's one true goal of astronaut safety. That won't help them to conquer the solar system. Look at all the insurance companies trying to **** beneficiaries out of their rightful benefits after someone has spent the majority of their life paying premiums. Well there are many things that are worth more than life. Land, society, culture, food/drink and even money. What annoys me is that with all this low cost to life that I cannot even "buy" one. Gee, like you would miss one person. ;-] Still, it seems that NASA has not yet woken up in the cold harsh reality on the 21st century. As following a shuttle disaster they do not say "We launch on schedule. Tell these widows to talk to our lawyers". Anyway, my point is that when NASA gets their CEV then they had better lower safety down that scale a bit. This solar system is there for the taking, where this large construction, exploration, research playground is certainly worth more than a few astronaut lives. The problem here is that Challenger was reckless. Columbia was wasteful. Any yet just maybe having a crew die actually building the ISS carries some purpose. It is not really a fair exchange, but there you go. Up next is a Moon Base, where that is worth a lot more. So if NASA is going to get anywhere in the future, then they do need to change their policy concerning what to do if they kill their employees. Something like "They died advancing human society into the solar system. They are heros. We honour their memory by redoubling our efforts towards our goals. We launch on schedule". I have yet to see NASA have the leadership to do that. Cardman. |
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NASA cannot do that now simply
because they currently attach too much importance to death. Organizations pretend that they place a high value on human life, but in actuality, life is cheap to them. Look at all the insurance companies trying to **** beneficiaries out of their rightful benefits after someone has spent the majority of their life paying premiums. |
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:48:30 +0200, Larry Haines
wrote: Is there anywhere a person could go on the web to view pictures of astronaut remains taken shortly after crashes? www.rotten.com might appeal to your goulish desires. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
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